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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m only finished with episode 2 but I really don’t see how the flagsmashers are the bad guys here, unless the idea of “one world one people” is suppose to be bad. They're the "bad guys" in that they're set against our heroes, but it's not really because of what they're doing. Sam didn't care about the bank robbery until a powered guy showed up, and they only really cared after they figured out the Flagsmashers had access to the super soldier serum. Similarly, the antagonistic relationship they have with Walker has nothing to do with his work as a jackbooted thug with the GRC, just that he's doing it with a part of Steve's legacy. The "one world one people" thing is also weird because nothing they do at any point is in support of that, including opposing the Global Repatriation Council. I mentioned it earlier, but the name/creed feels like its just from the comics for the sake of being from the comics, rather than being a part of the story.
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Antagonist ≠ "Bad guy" and Protagonist ≠ "Good Guy" Walter White, Don Draper, and Adolph Hitler in Downfall are not "good guys," but they are protagonists.
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Apr 8, 2021 14:08
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Antagonist ≠ "Bad guy" I think Hitler is the 'subject' not the protagonist imo
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Apr 8, 2021 14:11
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Narratively the oddest part of the show is probably that there isn't a simple antagonist. And yeah, "antagonist" doesn't mean "bad guy", it means "the guy causing the problems for the protagonist." But Sam and Bucky's problems are kind of all over the map. The antagonist is like the sobering reality of the world and consequence of actions and the disillusionment of idealism or something. And that's probably the antagonist for Walker and the Flag Smashers too. They all think they're the protagonists of their own story and they're all being roadblocked by their own failings and frustrations. Maybe the Power Broker or Zemo will emerge. But WandaVision never really had a natural protagonist/antagonist give and take either as Wanda was basically both. So the end enemy in this might just be that everyone's flawed and loving up.
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STAC Goat posted:Narratively the oddest part of the show is probably that there isn't a simple antagonist. And yeah, "antagonist" doesn't mean "bad guy", it means "the guy causing the problems for the protagonist." But Sam and Bucky's problems are kind of all over the map. The antagonist is like the sobering reality of the world and consequence of actions and the disillusionment of idealism or something. And that's probably the antagonist for Walker and the Flag Smashers too. They all think they're the protagonists of their own story and they're all being roadblocked by their own failings and frustrations. The real protagonists were the friends we made along the way.
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Apr 8, 2021 14:16
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The real protagonists were the friends we made along the way. The true meaning of protagonism was inside you all along!
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Oasx posted:They stole medicine, tried to kill Sam and Bucky, and they think the world was better off when half the population was dead. At the very least they are callous and cruel, and that is besides everything we don’t know about them yet. They stole medicine to give to people. It's not like they're trying to sell it on the black market, as far as we know.
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Oasx posted:They stole medicine, tried to kill Sam and Bucky, and they think the world was better off when half the population was dead. At the very least they are callous and cruel, and that is besides everything we don’t know about them yet. This is some pretty wild spin. They appropriated medicine being held in storage (for what reason, to increase its value? to sit gathering dust? who can say), defended themselves after they were in danger of being caught doing so, and think the world was better off when resources were more fairly distributed and nations were coming together in solidarity. You're making it sound like they want half the world to die again when their explicitly stated problem is that the 'people in charge' reverted back to the ones who made the world the neoliberal hellhole we all currently live in before the snap.
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Apr 8, 2021 17:46
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Kaedric posted:This is some pretty wild spin. Or the people in power didn't had the means to tell them what to do and they chose to finally rise up and abolish the nation state that kept them down. Given what happened in real life where instead of standing together, the powers decided to go every man for themselves and hiding the truth of treating the unblipped as nothing more than living sacrifices to help maintain a life of diminished comfort and pass laws to quash civil liberties.
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Apr 8, 2021 18:49
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Kaedric posted:This is some pretty wild spin. As someone who lives in corrupt land and has seen poo poo like this happen several times is either for re-selling or political reasons: "Vote for Pedro have this food we took from the Red Cross storage", "All the supplies are gone! (no they are not, they are sitting on a storage) Send us money!" Sometimes the supplies are distributed only among rich people. We have had several big floods with lots of displaced people and everytime it is discovered that a part of the donations are just gathering dust in a room. So someone big in that post-blip organization IS corrupt as hell, or trying somehow to create a political career.
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Apr 8, 2021 19:20
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Kaedric posted:You're making it sound like they want half the world to die again when their explicitly stated problem is that the 'people in charge' reverted back to the ones who made the world the neoliberal hellhole we all currently live in before the snap. Have they explicitly stated that? I thought they had only ever said they want things to go back to how they were during the blip, without specifying any details of what that meant.
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Apr 8, 2021 19:24
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what is flag smashing even, it's a floppy piece of cloth, how are you supposed to smash that 
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Apr 8, 2021 19:48
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Ror posted:what is flag smashing even, it's a floppy piece of cloth, how are you supposed to smash that I don't know, Karli did a pretty good job smashing up a flag in episode 2. Granted, someone was wearing it, but still...
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Its Rinaldo posted:3am est friday. It's 4am est thursday morning. One more day still friendo Oops, i've not worked in 3 weeks so I'm getting the "every day is the same" feeling. It seems like only the Super Soldiers are making Sam and Bucky focus on the Flag Smashers.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:12
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tsob posted:Have they explicitly stated that? I thought they had only ever said they want things to go back to how they were during the blip, without specifying any details of what that meant. Yes. It was in the very first scene of the Flagsmashers among themselves, in the flat the nice German man gave them for the night.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:18
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Kaedric posted:This is some pretty wild spin. I'm not ruling out that the government is actually corrupt, and that the flag smashers are basically Robin Hood and redistributing wealth to the ones who need it. But even before the event in episode 3 they were using a lot of ambiguous language. And I am mostly just leaning on the side of being proven that they are actually good guys, instead of the opposite.
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More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEzCv5u1O8 Teek fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Apr 8, 2021 21:06
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. That is amazing. The official Marvel channel just released the unaired video of Zemo's dance and stitched it together into an hour-long cut. Edit: Weird. Quoting someone before they edit their post, but posting after they edit automatically puts their edit into the quote? Is that new?
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Oasx posted:I'm not ruling out that the government is actually corrupt, and that the flag smashers are basically Robin Hood and redistributing wealth to the ones who need it. Well, figure the government is corrupt in the "one or two bad apples" sense so they can be punched. Or, as Pearl puts it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWlWG_42kE
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Edit: Weird. Quoting someone before they edit their post, but posting after they edit automatically puts their edit into the quote? Is that new? 
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. This is the content I love  Edit: I tried to make a fun loop, and now can't stop laughing 
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Apr 8, 2021 21:27
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. what a great day this is
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twistedmentat posted:Oops, i've not worked in 3 weeks so I'm getting the "every day is the same" feeling. Same. It’s been a month for me. I am very close to taking a very steep cut in potential pay just to go back to work. This thread and Valheim are the only things keeping me going.
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tsob posted:Have they explicitly stated that? I thought they had only ever said they want things to go back to how they were during the blip, without specifying any details of what that meant. We should get the reveal and it's gonna be some sob story about how the world continued to remain divided rather than getting their poo poo together while the poor and destitute remain so until she and others stole the serum and fought back
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. It is a masterpiece. Complete. Comprehensive. It captures the white experience.
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Apr 8, 2021 22:34
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Desperado Bones posted:I tried to make a fun loop, and now can't stop laughing I actually made something similar the day the episode came out but realized it's just a loop of Zemo jacking off an air dick. 
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Marsupial Ape posted:Same. It’s been a month for me. I am very close to taking a very steep cut in potential pay just to go back to work. This thread and Valheim are the only things keeping me going. The eliminated my position, so I have to look for a new job during a lockdown. Fun!
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Desperado Bones posted:This is the content I love
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour.  This is amazing.
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tsob posted:Also, in regards to the dancing: Well, figure that since his time as the Winter Soldier, the longest time he's lived some place was in Wakanda - a nation full of people with rhythm and moves. So Bucky was staring at Zemo trying to figure out if he was dancing or having some kind of seizure.
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Instead of a sky laser I hope the finale is a dance off.
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Teek posted:More Zemo dancing footage: It's about an extra minute or so, just repeated out an hour. Came here to post this. Overjoyed to see I was beaten. So god drat good.
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Thundercracker posted:Instead of a sky laser I hope the finale is a dance off. Sam: We have a huge problem Bucky: What now? Sam: Apparently Karli was best friends with Michael Flatley's kid.
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twistedmentat posted:The eliminated my position, so I have to look for a new job during a lockdown. Fun! I got passed over for a raise twice because my boss was having a bad day. I got sick of my future being contingent on his temper and home life and gave my two weeks. Six years of public service counts for gently caress all, I guess. Anyway, just rewatched the latest episode. I noticed towards the end, Bucky was cleaning his robot had. You think he gets a lot of thug and mook skin stuck in the articulation? Chips of teeth?
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Marsupial Ape posted:I got passed over for a raise twice because my boss was having a bad day. I got sick of my future being contingent on his temper and home life and gave my two weeks. Six years of public service counts for gently caress all, I guess. Come on, don't be naïve. If you had a robot hand what would you use it for?
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Cage Kicker posted:Come on, don't be naïve. If you had a robot hand what would you use it for? Would you dare tho? Surely he's just one sneeze away from an accidental dickectomy!
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All those interlocking metal pieces would give me pause as well, but I mean what are you gonna do?
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Literally the first thing Jonas Jr was going to do with it after Billy Quizboy made him his own robot arm. Wow, Walker is an rear end in a top hat. Sam totally was getting through to her, but he has to be America and burst in making everything worse because they have to swing their dick in everything
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ClydeFrog posted:Would you dare tho? Surely he's just one sneeze away from an accidental dickectomy! Surely this is an issue for any super soldier... Episode content: Holy gently caress
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