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You can tell it’s Reiner so it’s an improvement over volume 1-5
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lol
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 18:48 |
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i mean you dont really have to be a good artist to be a good mangaka, if your storytelling is good and the art can communicate what it has to now, whether isayama has those skills is a different question
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 18:49 |
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I really enjoyed the post-timeskip arcs and I'm satisfied with the ending. But I also enjoyed Ender's Game so what do I know?
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 18:49 |
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I really enjoyed the post-timeskip arcs and I'm satisfied with the ending. Possible fascist sympathizer account spotted
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 18:59 |
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I mean, Ishiyama said he "wanted to write a story without villains" and the central theme was "the world is cruel, and it is beautiful." Given those two facts, I don't see how it could have ended up otherwise? This kind of reminds me of The Last Jedi backlash (a movie I also really enjoyed), where people got mad but were really bad at articulating why they didn't like it. Some were just chuds, but others were upset all the throrycrafting they did between movies was rendered pointless. In this case, I feel like people were really wound up by the "aot is fascist apologia" hot takes and wanted the story to end on a strong denunciation of fascism and... it didn't do that. It ended on the note it always did: the world is beautiful, people suck a lot, but we're gonna keep muddling through and surviving anyway.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:12 |
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Anonymous Zebra posted:It's actually very hard to write a story with a protagonist that has future-vision and keep the story interesting for the reader. Frank Herbert is obviously the God of this type of writing and he managed to keep it going by putting some pretty strong conflicts in the way of the omniscient protagonist. Most people forget that the crux of Dune is that Paul is desperately trying to prevent The Jihad for most of the book, but at every point he has to pick between a path of extinction or taking another step towards Jihad. He keeps hoping for most of the novel that at a later point he can move things back off course, but at the very end he suddenly sees with clarity that even if he dies at that moment that the Jihad now cannot be prevented. End of story. Once things get set in stone there isn't more story to tell. Eren needed more inner turmoil and desperation than the ~13 pages we got from the last 15 chapters combined. Instead we got
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:13 |
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I mean, Ishiyama said he "wanted to write a story without villains" and the central theme was "the world is cruel, and it is beautiful." Well after Eren it becomes just cruel, all the beauty was flattened
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:16 |
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So what's better, this or the high school version.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:16 |
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Turin Turambar posted:Eren needed more inner turmoil and desperation than the ~13 pages we got from the last 15 chapters combined. Instead we got What a great explanation for wanting to kill everyone and to destroy the world. Great writing.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:26 |
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Turin Turambar posted:Eren needed more inner turmoil and desperation than the ~13 pages we got from the last 15 chapters combined. Instead we got Eren wanted to be free so badly that he couldn't conceive following with Zeke's, so he did the next best thing and engineered a way for him to get the worm thing on a headlock
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 19:36 |
In my head, I read up to the end of Attack on Titan (the basement reveal and its immediate follow up), everything else was just Attack on Titan GT.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:17 |
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Can someone please explain the Bert thing because I don’t seem to remember the event it’s referencing and I’ll be damned if I’m going to go looking for it at the point.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:19 |
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I mean, Ishiyama said he "wanted to write a story without villains" and the central theme was "the world is cruel, and it is beautiful." Given those two facts, I don't see how it could have ended up otherwise? I don't think it really did a very good job at showing any of the beauty though. The cruelty was just orders of magnitude more immense that I just start furrowing my brow a bunch The tone also seemed completely off. Eren killed a gigantic, enormous amount of people! What a man he was, thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us as Gabi suplexes Falco in the background, Reiner sniffs Historia's letter, and Ymir was in love with her rapist. Coming away from it, I just can't help but think Eren took one of the worst possible choices, with the most annoying reasoning, and all the characters we know are practically grateful and thankful for it. Except the world is now in so much worse of a state than before with most of humanity killed, ecologically devastated, and somehow a version of the Lelouche ending that is even less plausible. I admit I was looking for a more explicit denunciation of fascism and that probably wasn't realistic nor necessarily deserved. But this feels almost like a tacit endorsement, almost saying that these events were justified. It's not just the narrative, themes, plot, etc. but the execution of it all seemed really awful! The dialogue was, dare i say it, pretty drat cringeworthy. Especially when all the titans turned back to humans! That was some insanely bad writing (and I hope just a bad translation). And then it all comes to an end like this...
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:22 |
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Wii Spawn Camper posted:Can someone please explain the Bert thing because I don’t seem to remember the event it’s referencing and I’ll be damned if I’m going to go looking for it at the point. Dina titan looked at Bert then walked right past him after he kicked in the wall. It was something we saw in a flashback that didn't really need to be explained. Minion of Freya fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Minion of Freya posted:Dina titan looked at Bert then walked right past him after he kicked in the wall. It was something we saw in a flashback that didn't really need to be explained. So Eren used the Founding Titan and told her to go eat his mom instead, but from the future? That’s actually how I read it but it’s so dumb that I convinced myself I was wrong. Thanks! Welp, like another goon said, I’m glad it’s over.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:31 |
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You are free
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:34 |
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I mean, Ishiyama said he "wanted to write a story without villains" and the central theme was "the world is cruel, and it is beautiful." Given those two facts, I don't see how it could have ended up otherwise? lol
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:35 |
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hatty posted:You are free This should be the new thread title. Because lol. Just lol.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:45 |
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hatty posted:You are free We are all free now~
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:47 |
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whalestory posted:I don't think it really did a very good job at showing any of the beauty though. The cruelty was just orders of magnitude more immense that I just start furrowing my brow a bunch part of me feels that they were going for a emperor's naked tone, look at how dumb and stupid eren is, he didnt ever scored the loser. but I can't even charitably believe that. that bird panel like lmao
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 20:53 |
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I dug the Ymir/Mikasa thing. They're both in terrible relationships, lifelong PTSD with physical consequences. I didn't think this finale excused any of the characters from anything. Everyone is fuckin stupid and traumatized. Very true to life. FIN I wonder what he will do after this though, I heard something about running a spa or whatever? re:denouncing fascism would they really know what that is? I got a feeling only Hange really took a deep look into that dark side of things. It reminded me of Hard to be a God, a book I can't shut up about a medieval society going straight fascist. Elijah Snow fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 8, 2021 |
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I mean, Ishiyama said he "wanted to write a story without villains" and the central theme was "the world is cruel, and it is beautiful." Given those two facts, I don't see how it could have ended up otherwise? I think a lot of people dislike this ending for the same reason a lot of people disliked the last jedi. Its just not as smart as it thinks it is.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:05 |
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Queering Wheel posted:This is the camp I'm in. I started to have a bad feeling around this point, but brushed it off because I thought that everything up until then was put together really well. I didn't expect answers to every little thing, but I thought that most of the major stuff would be wrapped up nicely. That's kind of the tragic thing, isn't it? Isayama has pulled off surprisingly good poo poo before, it really did seem like he could have been able to conclude things satisfactorily. Too bad, huh?
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:12 |
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To defend his art style for a moment – he draws kinetic energy super well. You really feel the motion and weight of Titan's, even in the early issues. For all the acrobatic shenanigans the fights have required, that's also handled well and it's not impossible to follow. His faces have always been a little unstructured, but given the thrust of the story, it's easy enough to overlook.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:13 |
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I dont think is trying to be smart, really. Not this chapter. It felt more like hastly wrapping it up to be done with
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:15 |
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The official translation for that line: Armin: Eren... Thank you. You became a mass murderer for our sake... I promise I won't let this error go to waste.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:19 |
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comedyblissoption posted:Eren's Redemption Arc comedyblissoption posted:now that everyone is against Titan Hitler's Redemption Arc, I hope it happens
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:23 |
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In It For The Tank posted:The official translation for that line: I wish this could become the thread title
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:24 |
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serious gaylord posted:I think a lot of people dislike this ending for the same reason a lot of people disliked the last jedi. Oh wow, AoT was inspired by RoS. That's amazing.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:25 |
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I'm actually reading Encyclopedia Britannica's entry on fascism. Some points can be seen reflected on AoT, like nationalism, imperialism or revolutionary image. I think the inspiration comes from Ww2 and pre-ww2 Japan. Some of the most important ones aren't, because fascism irl was mostly an elite-driven conservative movement against marxism and democracy (see sub-entries like opposition to marxism, opposition to parliamentary democracy, conservative economic programs, opposition to cultural liberalism, corporatism, alleged equality of social status, anti-urbanism), and well, we haven't seen a hint of marxism in this setting, and we don't have any idea of the economic policy of Paradis or Marley? This point "Fascists favored military values such as courage, unquestioning obedience to authority, discipline, and physical strength" made laugh, because to be honest, our protagonists are from the military so it could be seen as 'military values', but in reality they don't have a problem of rebelling against their superiors the moment they don't like the direction they are going for. It happened a few times, so AoT is almost the opposite. A fascist likes the military clear order, the hierarchy.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:29 |
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The World Inferno posted:To defend his art style for a moment – he draws kinetic energy super well. Isayama's appeal as a shonen mangaka has always been that he has a truly tremendous grasp of gesture, movement, and force. All of his actual moments of action have these great, twisting gestures and movement lines that really sell the impact. His weakness has always been with anything not involving this. He's gotten better than when the manga first started, but if you put a gun to my head and asked me to pick out post-timeskip Sasha, Mikasa, and Pieck from a lineup, I'd probably eat the bullet.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:33 |
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Things I like about the final chapter: Eren having final conversations with his friends for them to remember after his death. That was a clever use of Founding that I wasn't expecting, good for exposition. (the content of the exposition was not necessarily good). Explicitly showing Sasha's family and Niccolo are not on board with Jaegerist Paradis. Titans are gone, absolutely had to happen. aaaaannnd that might be it bees x1000 fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Apr 8, 2021 |
# ? Apr 8, 2021 21:55 |
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I like it a lot more when it was just 'oh poo poo monsters' and sword spider-manning around
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:01 |
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Good ending to the story. I wouldn't mind a new manga to read but I don't want to read another terraformers or guyver so I guess I'm done with manga for awhile. It was a good decade.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:03 |
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I want to mention that the story of the titans started at a tree with ymir and ended with erin under a tree. Just noticing the cyclical nature of the story. If you know of a thoughtful manga worth reading let me know.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:19 |
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Golden Kamuy is one of my current favorite follows. Not really the same but it has plenty of mystery and human drama
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:29 |
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Mikasa finally got what she wanted in the end Head from Eren
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:33 |
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Captain Baal posted:Mikasa finally got what she wanted in the end Mikasa walked from the Atlas Mountains to Madagascar through a continent that had been trampled flat. She 100% ate his head en route.
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:40 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 11:34 |
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More than anything I think Isayama’s mistake was running with “the entire world is hostile and wants to kill us” and then following through on that because drat at that point it seems doomed to devolve into a story about destroying the Other
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# ? Apr 8, 2021 22:51 |