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Well I know I'm almost 100% going to regret bringing this up, but Xeno brings up a good point. What constitutes a movie being "horror?" There is thriller, horror, action, sci fi. They can be all interrelated. I think horror brings actual fear, not just excitement. Thriller gives you "omg what is going to happen next?" But horror brings, "omg I don't want to know what happens next." There are college studies on this so I know this can cause a loving can of worms but eh, I've had a few tonight so whatever.
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I mean by her rubric basically anything except, poo poo, I dunno, Cloverfield? ceases to be horror. I love this idea of a brave new world where there are no movie genres and only movie settings though. "What kinda movie do you want to watch?" "I dunno, maybe Space? No wait how about a City movie, yeah."
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Owlbear Camus posted:Two thoughts: I’ve considered doing literally this, rewrite ‘Alien’ to be a modern day tug called the Snark that finds a ship adrift and accidentally picks up a serial killer who starts picking off/doing horrible things to the crew one by one.
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How about: 'Horror' is where there is a certain thing causing the fear intentionally. 'Survivor' or 'Survival' should be the term for where the unintentional thing happened and they are trying to survive it. 'Survival Horror' should be the term for when a thing is causing unintentional danger that they are trying to survive.
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happyhippy posted:How about : I think all of those are exactly the same thing of horror. In horror, there are always survivors, where they are trying to survive the horror. That's the entire premise of all horror movies. A bad entity killing off people and other people trying to survive it. Alien, The Thing, all Freddy movies, all Jason movies, all Halloween movies. That's almost the definition of horror. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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hello yes i thought about aliens (the movie) today. is this thread right for me?
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Prof. Crocodile posted:hello yes i thought about aliens (the movie) today. is this thread right for me? My friend, you have friends here. Welcome.
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oh nice! i'm sure this has been brought up here before in the past 175 pages, but i was actually thinking about how different the tone is between alien and aliens. actually first i was thinking about how all marvel movies are the same--the hero is in a strange place, there is a mcguffin, there is a member of the opposite sex that knows them better than they know themselves, there is a miniboss and a big bad, etc. then i thought about how that wasn't so unusual because most sequels are just remakes of the original--friday the 13th, oceans, etc. then i thought about how alien was a straight up horror movie that happened to be set in space, while aliens was a straight up action movie and the space setting was kind of irrelevant. like even when i was a little kid aliens was more exciting than scary, even though the monsters were objectively scarier than in the first movie.
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Prof. Crocodile posted:oh nice! Apropos of your observation some of the best of the tepid lot are when they stretch the constraints of the superhero genre a bit. Iron Man was a hit and a great way to hook/acclimate general audiences to the MCU, I contend, because it was essentially a sci-fi action hero movie with a compelling lead and would have mostly worked as a film if you filed the serial numbers off and had no connection to an existing property, let alone a whole web of characters that came with it. Thor Ragnarok was p. cool because yeah it was a superhero movie, but it leaned into vibrant 70's space opera really loving hard. Black Panther is a cut above because it's an afro-futurist story about the morality of decolonization and resisting/becoming hegimons and poo poo that just happens to be in the MCU. So if Aliens were about isolated space truckers again with exactly the same tone, it would probs not be as good.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Apropos of your observation some of the best of the tepid lot are when they stretch the constraints of the superhero genre a bit. completely agree with your marvel outliers i guess the corollary downside of pushing boundaries in a franchise--for a studio at least--is that it gets hard to manage a franchise when the movies are unique. the terminator movies are good example of this. they fell to poo poo immediately after t2 because they had no idea how to manage all the possibilities, so every subsequent film felt like a desperate hodgepodge of old and new ideas.
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I might be seeing The Abyss in a theatre tomorrow. About 1/3 as stoked as I was to see Aliens there 2 years ago. I've only seen Abyss once and I remember liking it until the last 20 minutes.
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happyhippy posted:How about :
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My posting is horror.
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Animal Friend posted:I might be seeing The Abyss in a theatre tomorrow. Huh, what parts of the end did not work for you? Also, have you seem the director's cut? Unrelated, friend's new FB profile pic so now I'm thinking about Aliens: 
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Android Apocalypse posted:Huh, what parts of the end did not work for you? Also, have you seem the director's cut? Less silly than the walking in the original alien imho
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zenguitarman posted:Spaceballs rides again  
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Animal Friend posted:I might be seeing The Abyss in a theatre tomorrow. God drat the abyss is such an awesome movie. Biehn scared the absolute poo poo out of me as a kid. poo poo now I need a 4K uhd copy of this movie.
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Nuts and Gum posted:God drat the abyss is such an awesome movie. Biehn scared the absolute poo poo out of me as a kid. poo poo now I need a 4K uhd copy of this movie. Complain to James Cameron, he’s the one holding that up. Apparently it’s ready to roll and just waiting on his approval, but he’s too busy making Avatar sequels.
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Xenomrph posted:Complain to James Cameron, he’s the one holding that up. Apparently it’s ready to roll and just waiting on his approval, but he’s too busy making Avatar sequels. gently caress! I was just discovering it does not exist. 
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Nuts and Gum posted:God drat the abyss is such an awesome movie. Biehn scared the absolute poo poo out of me as a kid. poo poo now I need a 4K uhd copy of this movie. Biehn's performance in that was absolutely amazing. The slow progression of him going psycho bonkers was just great.
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Biehn deserved way more work than I feel like he ended up getting. He's so good in everything. Typing those sentences reminded me I haven't watched Tombstone in a while. That one has just an absolutely bonkers good cast. Everyone is in the motherfucker.
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I think I've seen the abyss maybe twice (each version once) and I have vague memories of it being really really good and the water effects still holding up. The endings are pretty different iirc the theatrical release leaves out some pretty vital info.
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Beet Wagon posted:Her justification is so dumb lmao. I ran across that post in the wild two days ago and this was the one that got me It's actually a really good post because it's so dumb that it forces us to think :HMM:
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Owlbear Camus posted:Biehn deserved way more work than I feel like he ended up getting. He's so good in everything. I read the first line of your post and immediately thought "I gotta mention Tombstone." And you did. Good. Good. edit: also Bill Paxton. Legit one of my favorite actors. God bless his soul. zenguitarman posted:I think I've seen the abyss maybe twice (each version once) and I have vague memories of it being really really good and the water effects still holding up. The endings are pretty different iirc the theatrical release leaves out some pretty vital info. The alien in that movie was basically a starting point of the T-1000 in T2. They used the same upgraded technology of that to create him. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I read the first line of your post and immediately thought "I gotta mention Tombstone." And you did. Good. Good. That film has such a perfect cast and quotable dialogue. It's just Dudes Rocking start to finish.
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On this thread's recommendation I bought The Making Of Aliens book and it's really great and revealed a lot of things I didn't know/realize about the movie, even from watching the DVD extras and the Alien Theory YouTube. First of all, the book is massive and weighs a ton  I never knew how involved Cameron was with literally everything. His concept art looks really good, and he even worked on miniatures and SFX too! He strikes me as a guy (at the time of shooting Aliens) that's so good at everything that he doesn't understand how everyone else isn't as talented as he is (which almost doomed the whole production when the crew in England basically mutinied). This movie almost never happened multiple times over, especially in its nascent stage of studios passing around scripts and treatments. The one thing I don't think he really understood very well was what James Horner needed. I knew Horner was pressed for time to say the least, but Gale Anne Hurd and Cameron really screwed him over. Another thing I learned from the book was that Al Matthews was a loving G. This is so good: WHERE'S APONE posted:"An actress accused me of taking her light. I told her I could take her light without even leaving my dressing room; I also told her I could make the camera do anything I wanted it to do. She said 'BS.' I said, 'Okay, watch this.' That's when I put the cigar in my mouth. The camera was shooting from the opposite direction, but when James saw me put the cigar in my chops, he made them move the camera for a single on me. I just looked at the actress and winked." And I think these might have been posted before, but have some rejected taglines some dumb studio poo poo posted:TAGLINES
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Alien Theory is a bad YouTube channel and you shouldn’t watch it.
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Aliens: There's nothing nice about them
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Gremlins 3: Back and out of control
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Xenomrph posted:Alien Theory is a bad YouTube channel and you shouldn’t watch it.
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ok sorry sir
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Xenomrph posted:I’ve considered doing literally this, rewrite ‘Alien’ to be a modern day tug called the Snark that finds a ship adrift and accidentally picks up a serial killer who starts picking off/doing horrible things to the crew one by one. Isn’t this Sunshine?
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ruddiger posted:Isn’t this Sunshine? The part where it becomes naff, yes.
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Alien Theory is basically just the one where he reads comic synopses and screenplays and poo poo at you? It seems aggressively bland and his delivery is pretty monotone reedy voiced nerd, but is there something actively awful about it I should know like the dude is a white supremacist or something? I've put it on before when I wanted to know, say, what happened in this or that comic arc to mine for TTRPG ideas while I level my WoW guys and don't feel like reading a wiki for the info.
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He plagiarizes the poo poo out of other, better websites/wikis/forums and doesn’t cite his sources when he reads their stuff verbatim for his videos.
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Vagabundo posted:The part where it becomes naff, yes.
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ruddiger posted:Isn’t this Sunshine? A sprinkle of ‘Dead Calm’ too.
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