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In the end credits for this episode, I noticed text, in various languages/scripts, that was quickly over-written by cast/production crew standard credit stuff. Was it like this in earlier episodes?
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KittyEmpress posted:Anyone who thinks Walker is going to face any kind of punishment is dumb. He is going to be lauded by the news as a hero who killed a known terrorist who had just murdered an American. The flagsmasher who was summarily executed will have his reputation dragged through the mud. The news cycle will focus on the bombing he was involved in, the thefts of medicine, the bank robbery, and work as hard as possible to show him as a thug with no good points. They will dig up any little detail they can to show that John was in the right for killing this man begging for his life.
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Apr 10, 2021 03:40
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But seriously, why did they just all stand there while cap is trying to get his dead best friend to wake up. Literally letting the mass murderer go, what the hell
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Apr 10, 2021 03:41
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Big McHuge posted:In the end credits for this episode, I noticed text, in various languages/scripts, that was quickly over-written by cast/production crew standard credit stuff. Was it like this in earlier episodes? Yes, I haven't bothered to freeze frame it, but I'm sure there's some interesting stuff in there.
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Apr 10, 2021 03:42
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Terror Sweat posted:But seriously, why did they just all stand there while cap is trying to get his dead best friend to wake up. Literally letting the mass murderer go, what the hell because nobody who isn't a cop wants to arrest the Flagsmashers
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Apr 10, 2021 03:50
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Rockstar Massacre posted:because nobody who isn't a cop wants to arrest the Flagsmashers What. Then what exactly are they doing there, and why run out the room after the flagsmashers
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Apr 10, 2021 04:02
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Terror Sweat posted:What. Then what exactly are they doing there, and why run out the room after the flagsmashers Sam and Bucky are trying to end the entire issue peacefully because they know Walker won’t, and then they give chase because they know the Flag-Smashers killing Walker would only make things worse.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:11
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This episode was great! I'd watch an 8-episode series just about Zemo and his butler roaming the world hatching schemes to destroy superheroes. He's so charismatic in this role and his arc from Civil War (where honestly he won) to his new role is just great. In Civil War he was unknown and he used that to destroy the Avengers, now he's in a new world order and his north star has remained unchanged he's just adapting to how he's going to do it. Everything this episode was great. Show needed to be 8-9 episodes.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:15
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sam and Bucky are trying to end the entire issue peacefully because they know Walker won’t, and then they give chase because they know the Flag-Smashers killing Walker would only make things worse. I think Sam was still trying to bring her in under arrest just didn't want to do the whole super hero punch em up because that just fucks over everybody who isn't a super hero and talk her down to come in quietly
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Apr 10, 2021 04:18
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tsob posted:Actually, something I haven't seen discussed yet: Ayo says something to Bucky in Wakandan just before she leaves, does anyone have any idea what she says? Even the subtitles just render it as "In Wakandan" or something similar. Which, I think is based of Xhosa or some other African languages, so maybe someone knows what she said. In what part? this part? It was translated as "Bast drat you, James" in Latin American Spanish, and I'm pretty sure she spoke in English?  Edit, just a theory: I guess Bucky is gonna have to make amends with Wakanda. Something tells me that Zemo is gonna scurry away, and that might what will link James to Black Panther 2. Or at least he is gonna have a cameo or something. Desperado Bones fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Apr 10, 2021 04:19
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tsob posted:Actually, something I haven't seen discussed yet: Ayo says something to Bucky in Wakandan just before she leaves, does anyone have any idea what she says? Even the subtitles just render it as "In Wakandan" or something similar. Which, I think is based of Xhosa or some other African languages, so maybe someone knows what she said. I thought she was saying "Das vedanya, James" as kind of a "whatever friendly relationship we had is over, goodbye"
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Apr 10, 2021 04:23
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Its Rinaldo posted:I think Sam was still trying to bring her in under arrest just didn't want to do the whole super hero punch em up because that just fucks over everybody who isn't a super hero and talk her down to come in quietly That’s kinda what I meant, Sam’s not there to bring her in via brute force. He’s relating and trying to do it compassionately. He’s not going to side with her or let her just walk away, but he understands her and he seems like the kind of guy to make sure her issues are ultimately seen as valid and addressed in an official manner. He has more or less the same values and moral compass as Steve. Compare that to Walker, who would absolutely have no problem busting in there and beating everyone to a pulp, and then parading them out in cuffs and turning them over to his superiors for a pat on the head.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:26
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That’s kinda what I meant, Sam’s not there to bring her in via brute force. He’s relating and trying to do it compassionately. He’s not going to side with her or let her just walk away, but he understands her and he seems like the kind of guy to make sure her issues are ultimately seen as valid and addressed in an official manner. He has more or less the same values and moral compass as Steve. Gotcha 
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Apr 10, 2021 04:27
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ShakeZula posted:I thought she was saying "Das vedanya, James" as kind of a "whatever friendly relationship we had is over, goodbye" Hahaha seems as subbing is all over the place with D+. Don't they get the lines directly from the script? Can't wait for a "according to keikaku" error 
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Apr 10, 2021 04:27
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If anyone thinks that Walker is getting anything but praise after this episode y'all are more idealistic than me. The Flag Smashers killed Lamar, his best friend, it doesn't matter if it was the girl or not, a "true patriot" died to a terrorist. Falcon and Bucky will be lucky to not be wanted for aiding them at this point.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:31
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Bast is the Wakandan Panther God - Ayo just said 'Bast drat you James'.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:39
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Diabetic posted:If anyone thinks that Walker is getting anything but praise after this episode y'all are more idealistic than me. The Flag Smashers killed Lamar, his best friend, it doesn't matter if it was the girl or not, a "true patriot" died to a terrorist. Falcon and Bucky will be lucky to not be wanted for aiding them at this point. In the real world sure, but I just don't see the MCU going that route. Recall for example in Civil War where they essentially did a drone strike on an office building and how they dealt with the resulting fallout. They might try to do the whole true patriot gave that terrorist what he deserved, but it's pretty clear that people in the world sympathize with the flagsmashers in a way that they never do for any of the other MCU villains. IMO the outcry over Walker is what's gonna force Sam to take the shield, and the rest of the plot is about getting him to accept that role for himself.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:45
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sam and Bucky are trying to end the entire issue peacefully because they know Walker won’t, and then they give chase because they know the Flag-Smashers killing Walker would only make things worse. Okay but they just stood there for a solid 20 seconds then gave chase
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Apr 10, 2021 04:53
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I feel like I am crazy for not liking Falcon and Winter Soldier much cuz I see a lot of praise for it. WandaVision was much better. New cap sucks, karli sucks, falcon and winter soldier are both directionless. The story has felt rushed and disjointed even in the TV format where there should be plenty of runtime to fill in little details. I keep waiting for the big hook of the season but feel like i’m getting nothing. At 204 minutes in that is a problem. Maybe there’s a turning point after the end of this episode but I’m not clear on if they’re setting up anything more than more of the same.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:03
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Karli is such a pacifist that she ambushed Walker with the intention of executing him to send a message and then punched his best friend into a post, killing him instantly. A whole plot thread in this episode was dedicated to the serum turning Karli from an activist into a terrorist. She is absolutely ideologically correct but her methods are not heroic Also originally (production spoiler) the flag smashers were going to release a deadly virus to wipe half the population to bring the world back to how it was in the snap. It's why they have so many lines about missing the snap and so many scenes of them stealing dubious medical supplies. Due to COVID the plot was scrapped and they were reworked to be more sympathetic. They don't really have an endgame in the show and their grand plan seems to just be solving smaller issues
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Apr 10, 2021 05:11
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Spacebump posted:Why is Steve the only person that bulked up from the serum? Having to pay actors to get super swole is expensive...because most of them HATE doing months of full time training with 24/7 dietary reqs for a couple minutes of shirtless scenes. Din't Chris Evans hint that is one of the reasons he was done with the role? I know Daniel Craig hated having to get swole for the Bond movies. It also gets harder for older actors, like Hugh Jackman. Also one of our super soldiers is a woman and sadly way too many people still freak out about buff women. One could also have a conversation about body image issues boys can develop when their role models are all tall super swole body-hairless beefcakes.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:16
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I feel like that final scene is a nod to John Walker in the comics where he almost kills Spider-Woman in a blind rage while on the West Coast Avengers as US Agent. Except this time it goes a little differently.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:17
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Spacebump posted:Why is Steve the only person that bulked up from the serum? I think he was the only one who got the vita ray version, right?
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Apr 10, 2021 05:21
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Mayor Dave posted:I think he was the only one who got the vita ray version, right? Makes as much sense as anything else. text editor posted:It's crazy how good this show is about positioning it's themes. Acting is great, script is great and narrative is cohesive. People here hit on some good ones Walker is definitely a lower tier fighter compared to the other people on the show. Sam's fought supervilains, Bucky spent 70 years only being woken up to go kill people so basically constant war and he was already a decorated combat vet, and the Dora Milaje are the best of the best with amazing tech to back them up. I think his whole "They're not even superr soldiers" bit was about how hes spent his whole life training and being told he's the best, only to get clowned by some unpowered people. Even Steve spent his life trying to win fights as a scrawny dude, Walker's never really been at a disadvantage and now when he's supposed to be the best of the best and his first real test is him getting toyed with. As for the shield, I think Sam's either getting Steve's, or Wakanda is going to give him one that he can use with his wings.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:29
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The serum scientist also mentions the serum being refined and doesn't need to make the subjects all jacked up. Having a supersoldier that is just this little ginger girl is a lot more subtle than swole blond Adonis.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:30
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like that final scene is a nod to John Walker in the comics where he almost kills Spider-Woman in a blind rage while on the West Coast Avengers as US Agent. I'm pretty sure it's a nod to the Captain America arc where his parents are killed by a terrorist group and he loses his poo poo and kills them
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Apr 10, 2021 05:31
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AJA posted:I'm pretty sure it's a nod to the Captain America arc where his parents are killed by a terrorist group and he loses his poo poo and kills them
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Apr 10, 2021 05:37
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AJA posted:I'm pretty sure it's a nod to the Captain America arc where his parents are killed by a terrorist group and he loses his poo poo and kills them Doesn't he explicitly miss his own parents' funeral to go and complete whatever bullshit largely PR/Optics mission the US Government have given him to do as well?
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Apr 10, 2021 05:43
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BurritoJustice posted:Also originally (production spoiler) the flag smashers were going to release a deadly virus to wipe half the population to bring the world back to how it was in the snap. It's why they have so many lines about missing the snap and so many scenes of them stealing dubious medical supplies. Due to COVID the plot was scrapped and they were reworked to be more sympathetic. They don't really have an endgame in the show and their grand plan seems to just be solving smaller issues They should've left that in, would've helped the show make more sense.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:55
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It’s super funny to watch Zemo win most of his battles with being a good father and discretion. They are explicitly assholes to him and he is nice to their faces then takes any opportunity to get away. He is the most underestimated on person on the show.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:58
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While I am enjoying a lot of individual parts of this show, I do have to say the show does feel like a bunch of stuff crammed together a lot of times, like they filmed from a bunch of different versions of the script and some poor editor had to try and jam it all together. It's kind of unbelievable that they were 2/3rds of the way through the season before we actually found out exactly what went on with the various "refugees" caused by the Blip. It kept getting brought up as the reason for the creation of the Flagsmashers and unless I missed something this episode was the first time anybody explicitly said,"So yeah after half the world's population disappeared, all the previous immigration restrictions just disappeared because countries DESPERATELY needed workers and people to fill the sudden gaps across every aspect of culture business etc.... and then 5 years later everybody returns and those same countries just went,"Yeah we don't need you anymore gently caress off back where you came from."
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Apr 10, 2021 06:00
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Zemo is straight up the best character on the show. His motivation is 100x better than anyone else the past 4 episodes (Bucky is pretty relatable with his whole 'making things right with those I wronged' thing but that's super irrelevant the past 3 episodes) but Zemo you get it super-powered people destroyed his family and he will stop at nothing to ensure super-powered people are, thus, no more. Ends? Means? Who cares, the Serum must be destroyed, and then the super-soldiers, and then the next threat to an innocent person's family. It's honestly relatable because the actor is dripping with charm in his role and the costuming is crushing it for him and him alone.
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Apr 10, 2021 06:13
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In the credits (like 47:23 or 47:24) very quickly an image with “individuals” made to stand out in the text, is followed by another image text with “ won’t save us” made to stand out.
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Apr 10, 2021 06:17
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Jerusalem posted:While I am enjoying a lot of individual parts of this show, I do have to say the show does feel like a bunch of stuff crammed together a lot of times, like they filmed from a bunch of different versions of the script and some poor editor had to try and jam it all together. It's kind of unbelievable that they were 2/3rds of the way through the season before we actually found out exactly what went on with the various "refugees" caused by the Blip. It kept getting brought up as the reason for the creation of the Flagsmashers and unless I missed something this episode was the first time anybody explicitly said,"So yeah after half the world's population disappeared, all the previous immigration restrictions just disappeared because countries DESPERATELY needed workers and people to fill the sudden gaps across every aspect of culture business etc.... and then 5 years later everybody returns and those same countries just went,"Yeah we don't need you anymore gently caress off back where you came from." It took longer than the runtime of endgame. Even after ep 4 there are still no stakes for the title characters. sam and bucky are running around doing whatever, for all we can tell they could just stop and go home if they want. nemo has hosed off and wasn’t all that invested in the first place beyond his dislike of supers. we don’t know what karli is up to besides small scale terrorist acts and robin hood stuff so it is hard to care what happens to her. something might happen to walker after he murdered a man who was begging for his life on camera but do we even care? walker sucks, we’ve known he sucks the whole time. I guess they need walker to go after sam and bucky to give us some stakes so maybe that happens next. oh and it’s super funny that someone finally died from getting super-punched into a wall in a marvel thing.
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Apr 10, 2021 06:18
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seaborgium posted:Walker is definitely a lower tier fighter compared to the other people on the show. Sam's fought supervilains, Bucky spent 70 years only being woken up to go kill people so basically constant war and he was already a decorated combat vet, and the Dora Milaje are the best of the best with amazing tech to back them up. I think his whole "They're not even superr soldiers" bit was about how hes spent his whole life training and being told he's the best, only to get clowned by some unpowered people. Even Steve spent his life trying to win fights as a scrawny dude, Walker's never really been at a disadvantage and now when he's supposed to be the best of the best and his first real test is him getting toyed with. I mean, isn't he supposed to be a career Marine? The guys that do most of their fighting by shooting guns and in a team? Yeah, they get hand-to-hand combat training, but even then he should have trouble adjusting to carrying around a big shield and punching people, with just one other guy as back-up. Even for Steve it took a while to go full shield and fists. Most of his troubles come from wanting to not just be Captain America from day 1, but a BETTER Captain America than Steve ever was, and that's just setting yourself up for failure. AJA posted:I'm pretty sure it's a nod to the Captain America arc where his parents are killed by a terrorist group and he loses his poo poo and kills them I took it more of a nod to when Steve in the comics had to kill Baron Blood, the Nazi vampire, and didn't have stakes, holy water or garlic, so he went for the decapitation shot in the same way Walker did with the Flag Smasher at the end.
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Apr 10, 2021 06:23
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Bar Ran Dun posted:In the credits (like 47:23 or 47:24) very quickly an image with “individuals” made to stand out in the text, is followed by another image text with “ won’t save us” made to stand out. New rockstars is selling a shirt that has 'the enhanced won't save us".
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Apr 10, 2021 06:37
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howe_sam posted:Yes, I haven't bothered to freeze frame it, but I'm sure there's some interesting stuff in there.
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Apr 10, 2021 06:46
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Kal-L posted:I mean, isn't he supposed to be a career Marine? The guys that do most of their fighting by shooting guns and in a team? Yeah, they get hand-to-hand combat training, but even then he should have trouble adjusting to carrying around a big shield and punching people, with just one other guy as back-up. Even for Steve it took a while to go full shield and fists. Too bad Jon Bernthal's Frank Castle wasn't up for the job.
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Apr 10, 2021 07:03
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I finally figured out who Cop Cap reminds me of
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