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Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

The only way the cops behavior would have been justified is if he had already put bodies of people on the ground. Not cops but actual real people

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FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Or they suspected he was actually a super powered individual violating the Stokovia Accords.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Sacrist65 posted:

I don't really know what to think of this clip because alot of the context is lost in the editing.

What the clip maybe doesn't show is the LT had been stopped long enough for backup to arrive, so maybe he was refusing lawful orders for a while at that point? Declining to provide license and registration, that sort of thing?

Before i get dogpiled, all im saying is clickbait like this is edited for maximum outrage / algorithmic distribution. Right Wing Media does this poo poo all the time. Maybe I'm wrong but I would reserve judgement until seeing the entire footage.

Edit- since this is part of a lawsuit, this particular clip may have been released by the LT's lawyers to put pressure on the city to settle out of court, or poison potential jurors.

:stare:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Sad King Billy posted:



So I've started to see this image pop up on my Facebook with the attached message...

"Don't worry sir, we'll look after your wife." This of course refers to Prince Phillip, whom the BBC is reminding me every 5 minutes died yesterday.

I hate this fawning obsequiousness and also note that the image is surely an American soldier, not British.

You can't expect British people to know what service rifle British soldiers are issued, because hell they probably don't even know what guns are besides scary boom sticks since guns are illegal in Britain. They probably google image searched "kneeling soldier clip art" and stuck it over the Union Jack because why the hell not.

The kind of person who would make this image and post it on social media is not the brightest light bulb in existence.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Apr 10, 2021

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah

Sacrist65 posted:

I don't really know what to think of this clip because alot of the context is lost in the editing.

What the clip maybe doesn't show is the LT had been stopped long enough for backup to arrive, so maybe he was refusing lawful orders for a while at that point? Declining to provide license and registration, that sort of thing?

Before i get dogpiled, all im saying is clickbait like this is edited for maximum outrage / algorithmic distribution. Right Wing Media does this poo poo all the time. Maybe I'm wrong but I would reserve judgement until seeing the entire footage.

Edit- since this is part of a lawsuit, this particular clip may have been released by the LT's lawyers to put pressure on the city to settle out of court, or poison potential jurors.

congrats on being dogpiled

a cop shouldn't be allowed to kill or hell even point a gun at someone just because they won't hand them a card out of the glovebox

if a cop is pointing a gun at me, I'm done reaching for anything, they're gonna have to get me out of the car or whatever while I sob and struggle to keep my hands on camera

I hope this insight into my potential reactions to this scenario helps

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

The original article also points out that Navario “eluded” the officer for roughly a minute and that the cop knew that people often drive to well-lit areas to stop, and that 80% of the people who do so are POC, who for some mysterious reason have developed a phobia of being shot by police.

The cop who deployed the pepper spray was loving delighted to do so, and his teenage looking backup gets a look on his face several times that says he knows this poo poo is getting out of hand. How on earth is “Yeah, you should be!” an appropriate response to someone saying they’re afraid to step out of the car? I honestly can’t fault the LT for keeping his hands out of the vehicle because at least one of those pigs would have probably yelled “HE’S REACHING!” and shot him had he opened the door from the inside.

The fact that they let him go without charges suggests that they KNEW they super hosed up and were hoping that he wouldn’t file a complaint. Neither of those cops- especially the one who instigated the stop and escalated everything involved- deserves to wear a badge again.

Also, I sometimes drive that stretch of road between VA and the NC border and you better believe I drive the speed limit and make sure all of my lights are working before I get south of Richmond. I’m a white dude with a clean record but know I’m more likely to have a bad encounter with a bored cop on a power trip there than just about anywhere else I visit.

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

boop the snoot posted:

I’ve been in firefights and kept my wits about me. I did not keep my wits about me when I got robbed and someone put a gun in my face.

Expecting people to act a certain way when they are staring down the barrel of death, to me, is just manipulating the situation to make deadly force justifiable.

Thats a good point. And it yea it seems like a bad stop and those cops should face consequences. Also we're all consumers of an industry that makes money off how angry the news makes us. All of these things can be true.

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah
I have gotten three tickets in my twenty years of driving, and I got two of them within about 10 miles of each other from separate agencies on the same night in Accomack county, VA. I guess what I'm trying to say is that cops in rural VA are a special kind of piece of poo poo

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Sacrist65 posted:

Thats a good point. And it yea it seems like a bad stop and those cops should face consequences. Also we're all consumers of an industry that makes money off how angry the news makes us. All of these things can be true.

Stop trying to be Mr. Gotcha, rear end.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Sacrist65 posted:

Thats a good point. And it yea it seems like a bad stop and those cops should face consequences. Also we're all consumers of an industry that makes money off how angry the news makes us. All of these things can be true.

You called an article from the loving Associated Press "clickbait," so stop with this "hmm, makes you think" bullshit.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
So how long until a cop pulls over the wrong officer and has artillery rained on his house?

Because that would be a fun story to read.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

pantslesswithwolves posted:

The original article also points out that Navario “eluded” the officer for roughly a minute and that the cop knew that people often drive to well-lit areas to stop, and that 80% of the people who do so are POC, who for some mysterious reason have developed a phobia of being shot by police.

The cop who deployed the pepper spray was loving delighted to do so, and his teenage looking backup gets a look on his face several times that says he knows this poo poo is getting out of hand. How on earth is “Yeah, you should be!” an appropriate response to someone saying they’re afraid to step out of the car? I honestly can’t fault the LT for keeping his hands out of the vehicle because at least one of those pigs would have probably yelled “HE’S REACHING!” and shot him had he opened the door from the inside.

The fact that they let him go without charges suggests that they KNEW they super hosed up and were hoping that he wouldn’t file a complaint. Neither of those cops- especially the one who instigated the stop and escalated everything involved- deserves to wear a badge again.

Also, I sometimes drive that stretch of road between VA and the NC border and you better believe I drive the speed limit and make sure all of my lights are working before I get south of Richmond. I’m a white dude with a clean record but know I’m more likely to have a bad encounter with a bored cop on a power trip there than just about anywhere else I visit.

Everything in NC east of US 1 is called the great dismal swamp for a reason

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

stealie72 posted:

This is some pro level <homophobic slur> right here.

Do you trust fund maoists really enjoy the scent of your own farts that much?

orange juche posted:

The kind of person who would make this image and post it on social media is not the brightest light bulb in existence.
I have to imagine the kind of brit who gives a gently caress about HRH The Royal Consort in 2021 is a special kind of cringeworthy.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Sacrist65 posted:

Thats a good point. And it yea it seems like a bad stop and those cops should face consequences. Also we're all consumers of an industry that makes money off how angry the news makes us. All of these things can be true.

Careful of choking on that boot while you deepthroat it

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Also, I sometimes drive that stretch of road between VA and the NC border and you better believe I drive the speed limit and make sure all of my lights are working before I get south of Richmond. I’m a white dude with a clean record but know I’m more likely to have a bad encounter with a bored cop on a power trip there than just about anywhere else I visit.

Don't speed (but keep pace with traffic) through Caroline County. The VAStaPo is especially active and lovely along the stretch of I-95 that goes through there.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 10, 2021

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
Sacrist is making some good points, and I want to pivot from what they said to the unfair maligning of Deshaun Watson that's taking place in the media! He hasn't even been convicted of a crime!!!

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

So how long until a cop pulls over the wrong officer and has artillery rained on his house?

Because that would be a fun story to read.

"Oh how cute, you think you pulled a gun on me. Now, THIS is how you use a real Gun"

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Nick Soapdish posted:

This comment made me think of the joke someone posted (probably accurate) of a fictional Command Master Chief visiting a suicide attempt sailor in hospital and asking if he completed his suicide awareness training and I got a good laugh to myself

I was chosen to lead my command’s suicide awareness brief a couple of months after I had returned from emergency leave because my sister had committed suicide, and while I was in weekly counseling sessions because I had self reported to mental health after recognizing a few red flags.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Liberal hippy vegan California once again trying to drag the rest of the country down to forced gender reassignment abortions. The Klan existed in Northern California in the late 90s, I don't know about now but white supremacist groups and strong racist sentiment have always been a thing in California. Orange County is one of the most blood red voting blocks in the nation, so big shocker this is being done there.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/public-safety/2021/04/10/police-gear-up-for--white-lives-matter--rally-in-oc

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

oorah

maffew buildings posted:

Liberal hippy vegan California once again trying to drag the rest of the country down to forced gender reassignment abortions. The Klan existed in Northern California in the late 90s, I don't know about now but white supremacist groups and strong racist sentiment have always been a thing in California. Orange County is one of the most blood red voting blocks in the nation, so big shocker this is being done there.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/public-safety/2021/04/10/police-gear-up-for--white-lives-matter--rally-in-oc

Don't worry about whether the Klan exists in Northern California now. The vibe of the times means those guys are in militias talking that state of Jefferson poo poo

Sad King Billy
Jan 27, 2006

Thats three of ours innit...to one of yours. You know mate I really think we ought to even up the average!

stealie72 posted:

I have to imagine the kind of brit who gives a gently caress about HRH The Royal Consort in 2021 is a special kind of cringeworthy.

Oh they are. I'm irritated that the BBC has cancelled their entire schedule to replace it with back to back Phillip tributes and new reports.

Yesterday was awful. All the BBC radio stations played the same news footage over and over,

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
You’ll be hard pressed to convince me they weren’t Weekend at Bernie’sing Philip. Dude was a corpse every time I saw him in the last few months.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Reminder that the plan for dealing with Queen Elizabeth's death is completely bonkers:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge

quote:

Britain’s commercial radio stations have a network of blue “obit lights”, which is tested once a week and supposed to light up in the event of a national catastrophe. When the news breaks, these lights will start flashing, to alert DJs to switch to the news in the next few minutes and to play inoffensive music in the meantime. Every station, down to hospital radio, has prepared music lists made up of “Mood 2” (sad) or “Mood 1” (saddest) songs to reach for in times of sudden mourning. “If you ever hear Haunted Dancehall (Nursery Remix) by Sabres of Paradise on daytime Radio 1, turn the TV on,” wrote Chris Price, a BBC radio producer, for the Huffington Post in 2011. “Something terrible has just happened.”

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020
It's crazy that the monarchists all over Europe have substantially more progressive attitudes than americans

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
The monarchy should die with the queen.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Cugel the Clever posted:

The monarchy should die with the queen.

I kinda like the queen, but the only once of her spawn worth a drat is Harry.

So yeah, unless the one who has abdicated inherits, the entire moarchy should die(or be acknowledged as nothing but a high profile reality tv show)

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM

maffew buildings posted:

Liberal hippy vegan California once again trying to drag the rest of the country down to forced gender reassignment abortions. The Klan existed in Northern California in the late 90s, I don't know about now but white supremacist groups and strong racist sentiment have always been a thing in California. Orange County is one of the most blood red voting blocks in the nation, so big shocker this is being done there.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/public-safety/2021/04/10/police-gear-up-for--white-lives-matter--rally-in-oc

Orange County has moved blue in recent years, voting more for Clinton and Biden than it did for Trump. That said you do have some large and very intense pockets of deep red chud territory, and also, Huntington Beach in particular has always had a large population of white supremacists.

I went to HS in Newport Beach, and my first experience with Nazis was when the now-imprisoned Matthew Hale of the World Church of the Creator was supposed to speak at a public library near my parent’s house. His permit got cancelled because there were credible threats of militant anti-racists organizing to confront him. Doing research into groups like his and the history of local white supremacist groups like his was definitely a :stonk: moment for a 17 year old kid. Hell, the headquarters for the Institute for Historical Review- a Holocaust denial organization- are in one of the most heavily populated Latino areas as well.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

The general euro political history trend is that you had strong socialist parties that either won or were enough of a threat to power to establish a robust welfare state, and then thereafter they got destroyed or substantially weakened so politics today is about immigration or culture stuff. But the robust welfare states mostly remain. On issues of welfare this translates to a euro right winger being to the left of most Dems , but note that applies pretty strictly to welfare (healthcare, housing policy etc). There's other issues where our right wing is to the left of much of the euro left, like monetary policy (deficit spending and neo-Keynesian econ), or the integration of immigrants.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Reminder that the plan for dealing with Queen Elizabeth's death is completely bonkers:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge

This is the song of the end in England?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozuFCYJQ4os

brains
May 12, 2004

McNally posted:

You called an article from the loving Associated Press "clickbait," so stop with this "hmm, makes you think" bullshit.

on the other hand,
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1377306477539508226?s=20

it's obvious it was a bad stop, most likely racially motivated, and most likely the cops will walk. that's fuckin virginia for you.


edit: this is the same state where the local police waged a terror campaign against a black woman city official

brains fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Apr 10, 2021

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q
How the gently caress is ride the lightning a reference to anything but the Metallica song about being executed by electric chair

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

brains posted:

on the other hand,
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1377306477539508226?s=20

it's obvious it was a bad stop, most likely racially motivated, and most likely the cops will walk. that's fuckin virginia for you.

:cripes: Goddamnit, AP.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012



Theres no way this is the first time a dog dropped a deuce in the white house and it won't be the last

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

krispykremessuck posted:

How the gently caress is ride the lightning a reference to anything but the Metallica song about being executed by electric chair

Steven King used it too in multiple places.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Wonder how many times Trump dropped a deuce in the White House hallway

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Best Friends posted:

The general euro political history trend is that you had strong socialist parties that either won or were enough of a threat to power to establish a robust welfare state, and then thereafter they got destroyed or substantially weakened so politics today is about immigration or culture stuff. But the robust welfare states mostly remain. On issues of welfare this translates to a euro right winger being to the left of most Dems , but note that applies pretty strictly to welfare (healthcare, housing policy etc). There's other issues where our right wing is to the left of much of the euro left, like monetary policy (deficit spending and neo-Keynesian econ), or the integration of immigrants.

Yeah, they weren't just a threat to power they came close to taking over. Spanish civil war, post ww1 germany, France during ww1 and after it etc. France's army had spontaneous mutinies across a lot of there army with no actual coordination. If it had played out slightly differently they would have left the trenches and just marched on paris

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1380897472591978497

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

I don’t see what’s so funny

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
gently caress yeah

https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1380910510481231877?s=19

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Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

boop the snoot posted:

I don’t see what’s so funny

Try blinking it may help

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