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Morpheus posted:I'm really getting tired of the hacker sidekick that can hack literally anything. Like, a person that's not just good with computers, they can break into the most secure databases in the world without breaking a sweat, and somehow they're typically either just a nobody or like a student or something. In English, please!!!
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Apr 14, 2021 04:59
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More like "this is the most secure system in entire city, I need you to-" "I'm already in, getting you access now" Like gently caress off, how lovely is cyber security in your world. Bonus when they somehow have the ability to like monitor a dozen things at once like camera feeds, GPS, hacking poo poo, alerts, and also have a conversation while using a single monitor (usually a laptop)
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Apr 14, 2021 04:59
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Morpheus posted:More like I have bad news about real life cyber security.
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Apr 14, 2021 06:31
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packetmantis posted:In English, please!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73nmMU1LDs
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Apr 14, 2021 06:55
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letthereberock posted:
Reminds me of in sitcoms when the characters return home and are always mid conversation like "wow, I can't believe the theme park was closed", implying they never once talked about it on the ride home.
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Apr 14, 2021 10:19
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Morpheus posted:Like, a person that's not just good with computers, they can break into the most secure databases in the world without breaking a sweat I wanna be honest with all of you. I've been hacking into government and corporate systems all over the country. All over the world. I have discovered more information than any hacker ever has. Ever. What I have found will shock you. Here are the files and supporting documents. And supporting truths. The factual documents. I'm releasing these files to the public today.
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Apr 14, 2021 10:48
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One of the few genuine good bits in Godzilla vs Kong is the hunt for the wilderpeople kid trying to hack into the super science computer while the other guy yells at him, like, "Aren't you supposed to be mr computer hacker?" and the kid is like "that just means I know how to pirate movies!" and then intentionally dumping a drink all over the keyboard.
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Apr 14, 2021 13:03
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Annabel Pee posted:Reminds me of in sitcoms when the characters return home and are always mid conversation like "wow, I can't believe the theme park was closed", implying they never once talked about it on the ride home. Or when people drive somewhere and right as they are about to arrive they'll say "ok, here is the plan..." I understand it from a pacing standpoint, but it always seems odd in universe that nobody discusses the plan ahead of time (in case they need to grab gear) or at least on the drive over.
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Apr 14, 2021 14:05
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At least sometimes they'll throw in a "Let's go over it again" in those scenes.
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Apr 14, 2021 14:08
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Morpheus posted:Bonus when they somehow have the ability to like monitor a dozen things at once like camera feeds, GPS, hacking poo poo, alerts, and also have a conversation while using a single monitor (usually a laptop) Lemme tell you something, I used to work for something like a 911 operators office that also handled CCTV for some facilities. Even with a full team, doing real-time tracking is really, really loving hard. HINT: If you want to get away with anything, duck in to a bathroom, change your shirt and add or remove a hat.
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Apr 14, 2021 15:29
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That's actually happened a few times, on I think it was NCIS New Orleans. They were trying to find a suspect in a mall, and the dude just strolled into a store, put on a new jacket and hat, and walked right out an exit.
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Apr 14, 2021 15:38
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Inzombiac posted:Lemme tell you something, I used to work for something like a 911 operators office that also handled CCTV for some facilities. I used to do QA for Panasonic's video camera software division and this is 100% true. Not only are the resolutions often lovely even on very high end cameras, but it's really difficult for the human mind to wrap itself around incomplete camera coverage, even in a building you know really well.
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Apr 14, 2021 15:40
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Captain Monkey posted:I used to do QA for Panasonic's video camera software division and this is 100% true. Not only are the resolutions often lovely even on very high end cameras, but it's really difficult for the human mind to wrap itself around incomplete camera coverage, even in a building you know really well. Yepppp. Our solution was to have a team of three, if possible, where the main operator would keep track of the subject as accurately as possible, the person on the left would constantly shift their cameras to where they just were and the person on the right would shift theirs to where they think they are going. Lots of people were lost because we were understaffed, only one person was trying to do all three roles and the subject double-backed in a blind corner. Having a ground team is much more important than doing camera work, unless you need footage as evidence.
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Apr 14, 2021 16:05
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Does that kind of evidence run into the CSI problem where juries think CCTV should be more reliable/comprehensive than it can possibly be? I know that's a thing with DNA evidence where juries sometimes get hung up on thinking the borderline-magical stuff in procedurals is real. Not blaming them either, I mean, that's what it's like on the shows, that purport to be realistic.
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Apr 14, 2021 16:17
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Inzombiac posted:Yepppp. gotta say that as I sit here stewing in interminable meetings that are at best mildly tangential to my actual job, this sounds like a cool fuckin' gig
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Apr 14, 2021 16:25
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Meanwhile, programs like Adobe are getting to incredible levels of image enhancement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTbrJP5TXs Yes  that's still images vs. video but it's now more "when" the tech will be what we show in media instead of "if."
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Apr 14, 2021 16:29
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In Schitts Creek, the episodes I’ve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable?
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Apr 14, 2021 16:33
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oldpainless posted:Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable? My credulity was strained by Kim’s repeated annoyance and coldness to Jimmy in Better Call Saul, only to have her madly in love with him two scenes later. You can apply this trope to Jesse in Breaking Bad too, he’s just a walking gently caress up. Oh, and loving Ziggy in The Wire too, characters that are basically walking conflict points.
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Apr 14, 2021 16:42
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My favourite hacker dialogue was in the pilot of Kevin Bacon's The Following Context is Carrol has escaped prison thanks to the library's internet connection code:
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Apr 14, 2021 16:43
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oldpainless posted:In Schitts Creek, the episodes I’ve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable? Johnny Rose is a good businessman but a terrible manager and Stevie doesn't give a poo poo either way.
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Apr 14, 2021 16:49
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Android Apocalypse posted:Meanwhile, programs like Adobe are getting to incredible levels of image enhancement. But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement.
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Apr 14, 2021 17:17
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oldpainless posted:In Schitts Creek, the episodes I’ve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable? Because otherwise they'd have to interact with him more as he'd always be following them around to talk or complain or whatever. rydiafan posted:But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement. Unless you're dealing with a perfect image, your brain is also guessing to fill in blanks for images that are blurry or slightly pixelated or whatever.
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Apr 14, 2021 17:18
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Torquemada posted:
Ziggy is there because his dad is the boss. The world is full of Ziggy's. He's also got a lot of pararels with D'angelo Barksdale who isn't very interested in a life of crime and isn't really cut out for it but stays because it's the family business and what he was born into.
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Apr 14, 2021 17:33
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Torquemada posted:
Jesse is no more a gently caress up than Walter is. Arguably even less because, unlike Walter, he doesn't get deeper and deeper in trouble until he have to recruit loving nazis.
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Apr 14, 2021 17:46
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Torquemada posted:My credulity was strained by Kim’s repeated annoyance and coldness to Jimmy in Better Call Saul, only to have her madly in love with him two scenes later. The entire conflict around Ziggy is that everyone realizes he's an absolute gently caress up and no one gives him any responsibilities. His entire fall is triggered by his fairly competent cousin cutting him entirely out of the loop while still taking care of him, which is a blow his pride can't take.
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Apr 14, 2021 18:37
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Ziggy was pretty competent with the car heist. He was just completely unsuited to be a stevedore and had a massive chip on his shoulder about it
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Apr 14, 2021 18:45
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HopperUK posted:Does that kind of evidence run into the CSI problem where juries think CCTV should be more reliable/comprehensive than it can possibly be? I know that's a thing with DNA evidence where juries sometimes get hung up on thinking the borderline-magical stuff in procedurals is real. Not blaming them either, I mean, that's what it's like on the shows, that purport to be realistic. It's not nearly as bad as the DNA issue you described. The prosecution team is responsible for requesting the timeframe and areas they want footage from. There's just too much for them to say "give us absolutely everything from the past year". I haven't seen it in court but from what I know it is usually framed against a social media post or other info that ties that person to the footage without any doubt. Like if they are at an airport, their check-in is solid enough proof to place them in a space at a specific time. Rockman Reserve posted:gotta say that as I sit here stewing in interminable meetings that are at best mildly tangential to my actual job, this sounds like a cool fuckin' gig It really was. I loved it for the most part except the hours were unpredictable, the pay was poo poo and the surrounding environment was so toxic that I've been in therapy for a few years now. There was a lot to like. Every day was something new, you had to think on your feet, be creative and have ice water for blood. A lot of people thought they could hack it but would wash out after a couple months. Some days absolutely nothing happened, so you'd do your regular reports and then play video games and the boss wouldn't give a poo poo. rydiafan posted:But aren't these programs inventing details that don't exist in the original images using algorithms and assumptions? You're ending up with a guess, not an actual enhancement. These types of programs are very interesting but you've hit the nail on the head, legally speaking. You could offer this in court but it would have to be backed-up with a lot of other material in order to be convincing. Any half-decent defense attorney will make your argument and cast very strong doubt without much fuss. If you took a 15x15p picture of a face from a security system, you could train an AI upscaler to make them look like just about anyone, if you're devoid of integrity. Inzombiac has a new favorite as of 18:52 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Apr 14, 2021 18:46
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oldpainless posted:In Schitts Creek, the episodes I’ve seen have Jonny rose and Stevie giving the guy Roland something to do but he always messes it up or bungles it. Why would you continue to place any responsibility in someone who has consistently proven themselves unreliable? Roland is a screwup and a pretty gross person but he’s also had Johnny Rose’s back at some crucial times throughout the series so it’s understandable Johnny would still include him.
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Apr 14, 2021 19:57
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Alhazred posted:Jesse is no more a gently caress up than Walter is. Arguably even less because, unlike Walter, he doesn't get deeper and deeper in trouble until he have to recruit loving nazis. Hell, multiple times Jesse almost gets better, but Walt drags him back down. Jesse's main problem outside of his existing addictions is Walt's psychological abuse.
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Apr 14, 2021 20:00
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I was going to make that argument, but he did leave the RV keys in the ignition which is pretty gottdang dumb tbh
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Apr 14, 2021 20:07
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christmas boots posted:Ziggy was pretty competent with the car heist. He was just completely unsuited to be a stevedore and had a massive chip on his shoulder about it He pulls off the actual heist part ok, and then proceeds to drive one of the stolen cars as a personal vehicle and totally get dunked on during the negotiations.
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Apr 14, 2021 20:07
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Silly Newbie posted:He pulls off the actual heist part ok, and then proceeds to drive one of the stolen cars as a personal vehicle and totally get dunked on during the negotiations. Fair. I guess my point is that Ziggy isn't totally incompetent and he probably could have done fairly well in a different environment than the one he was in.
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Apr 14, 2021 20:08
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So I've been watching The Rookie lately and I know it's copaganda to the max which kinda makes it an interesting experience in an 'okay that would go totally different in reality because racism'-kind of way. Also I'm in mourning and drinking a fair bit so it's like the perfect balance between fun, kind of out there stories while not requiring too much investment, and I enjoy Nathan Fillion so whatever. But I'm watching s02e09 now and I swear to god, while they show was always just ignoring conflict of interest problems for the narrative (and I'm good at suspension of disbelief so it never bothered me too much) this episode takes to to a whole new level, and I'm spoilering this just in case: So a women brings in a small little dog she found with blood on her paws, the cops check out the registered owner and find her dead with her young teenage (I'm guessing 13 or so years old?) son hiding in the bathroom being pretty much unresponsive which is explained as trauma. So far so good, kinda convoluted but sure, they never shied away from (children's) trauma in this show before, which is a touch of realism I actually like about it. Haven't really seen an instance where they dealt with trauma in a blatantly offensive way so far. So they get the kid checked out in the hospital and whatever, make sure he's okay more or less, and then all the bullshit happens. They have some random detective (best friend of Nathan Fillion's character this season of course) question the kid despite him not having any established credentials or whatever in dealing with these kind of cases. This is a traumatized kid, so realistically speaking they'd have someone trained specifically to deal with this kind of thing would deal with it, not a random major crimes detective. Okay, lack of resources, this is the US (specifically LA) we're talking about, so that might actually happen because yeah, America. Butnot only that, the case worker from CPS is present, who is in a romantic relationship with one of the officers who is present at the interview, which is a HUGE conflict of interest in itself. Also they're questioning the kid in this random glass walled meeting room I assume somewhere in the bureau, holy poo poo. So at this point I'm kinda laughing my rear end off because holy poo poo this is like the completely wrong way to go about things, but I already see what's coming: See, everyone thinks that the mother's boyfriend murdered her but then the kid tells them that while his mother and her boyfriend did get in a fight, the boyfriend was kicked out and left. He tells them he and the boyfriend had some great times playing video games and the mother was pissed off about the time they spent doing that so you can guess where this is going, the kid probably killed his mother. At this point the CPS woman tells the kid to ask for a lawyer, there's a short back and forth between her and the detective "Why are you making my job harder?"-kind of thing, but the kid asks for a lawyer. But the other regular officer present (not the one in a romantic relationship with the CPS woman) is in a relationship with a defense attorney that has a thing for pro-bone civil rights issues and all that, really goody-goody two-shoes. GUESS WHO BECOMES THE KID'S LAWYER? Holy poo poo it's just a complete spiderwebby-clusterfuck of conflicts of interests and it's so loving ridiculous it's just too silly. I know the show is bullshit. The 'rookie' has to deal with a biological terrorism threat, a false alarm nuke attack, the death of his captain in a white supremacist plot, and numerous super unlikely scenarios all in like the first 6 months on the job, but this is just so blatantly unethical I had to make a post about it. Ironically the B-plot of this very episode is about two of the other main cops having to be technical advisors for a cop show showing the talent and director all the things they get wrong (and also deal with a stalker). It's so blatantly ridiculous I kind of love it. e: lol also the lawyer is dealing with severe PTSD which complicated matters Taeke has a new favorite as of 22:56 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Apr 14, 2021 22:49
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Imagined posted:One of the few genuine good bits in Godzilla vs Kong is the hunt for the wilderpeople kid trying to hack into the super science computer while the other guy yells at him, like, "Aren't you supposed to be mr computer hacker?" and the kid is like "that just means I know how to pirate movies!" and then intentionally dumping a drink all over the keyboard. Weird. That was one of the few stupid humans doing stupid human poo poo that actually bothered me as being too stupid. Even for this move.
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Apr 14, 2021 23:48
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pretty much any protagonist-centered bullshit where the protag can get away with all kinds of unethical poo poo without being the bad dude. Walt White was not a good guy. Meredith Gray is supposed to be a good guy but loving hell every episode of that drat show (it is at least better than the cop porn shows) the doctors are loving ethics so hard it got a prolapse. Stealing organs for their own special patients because the organ donor list is soooo long or kidnaping children or ignoring DNR orders because they doctors, they got to save his life! edit: my mom and half the universe watched Bridgerton. And apparently half the universe is furious/shocked the duke/main sexy dude isn't coming back because the next few seasons focus on other people in the show. I barely watched any of it, but wasn't he a main character?
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Apr 16, 2021 03:46
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Cowslips Warren posted:pretty much any protagonist-centered bullshit where the protag can get away with all kinds of unethical poo poo without being the bad dude. Walt White was not a good guy. Meredith Gray is supposed to be a good guy but loving hell every episode of that drat show (it is at least better than the cop porn shows) the doctors are loving ethics so hard it got a prolapse. Stealing organs for their own special patients because the organ donor list is soooo long or kidnaping children or ignoring DNR orders because they doctors, they got to save his life! Gray's Anatomy is one of those where I like the show alright but the titular protag is so lame. I don't understand her appeal specifically. Also loving George for all the obvious reasons. Like some of the smaller characters are just a lot more likeable or sympathetic and Dr Gray's loving problems are just super uninteresting. But I am a sucker for a medical drama 
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Apr 16, 2021 04:10
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:Gray's Anatomy is one of those where I like the show alright but the titular protag is so lame. I don't understand her appeal specifically. Also loving George for all the obvious reasons. Like some of the smaller characters are just a lot more likeable or sympathetic and Dr Gray's loving problems are just super uninteresting. The wrong Gray died on that plane
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Apr 16, 2021 06:21
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Cowslips Warren posted:pretty much any protagonist-centered bullshit where the protag can get away with all kinds of unethical poo poo without being the bad dude. Walt White was not a good guy. Meredith Gray is supposed to be a good guy but loving hell every episode of that drat show (it is at least better than the cop porn shows) the doctors are loving ethics so hard it got a prolapse. Stealing organs for their own special patients because the organ donor list is soooo long or kidnaping children or ignoring DNR orders because they doctors, they got to save his life! It is the opposite of this that shits me. I hate it when they have to make the protagonist such a squeaky clean goody goody guy. Or a super charming affable, everybody who has ever met them loves them and wants to cuddle kind a fella. gently caress that poo poo, it's boring and one dimensional. Real people have flaws, interesting characters have flaws. To use an example that you used. Walter White was in no way a good guy. But he was an interesting character. His ego, his stubbornness, his selfishness, and all his other flaws make him interesting enough to build a story a story around him and his misdeeds. Which is why that show was cool and fun. I will agree that it sucks when people see a flawed protagonist, (or indeed a protagonist that is as much of a bastard as Walter White), and then aspire to be like them because they are the protagonist. But I would argue that TV and movies etc. are big enough to be able to accommodate stories where the character that drives the narrative doesn't have to be the "good guy", or indeed a good person.
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