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Read After Burning posted:Yeah, growing up in the southern US, I always remember it being used as synonym for "hippie" or "bohemian". I'm pretty sure it's still seen that way by alot of people, since the local cidery in my area is called Gypsy Circus Cider Company, and it definitely has a bohemian vibe (and I'm not aware of anyone protesting the name in the decade it's been in business, even after expanding into one of the major cities in the state).
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Like the hinchback of Notre Dame in which this discussion is based on is both sympathetic and racist as gently caress against the Roma. Like they sing a whole song about how they are all hucksters and cheats
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Apr 15, 2021 20:40
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christmas boots posted:Traditionally it hasn't carried the same negative connotations in the States that it does in Europe which hasn't really helped the word fall out of usage. Not that I'm saying it should still be used. It was a loving RPG class in games through most of the 90s
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Apr 15, 2021 20:41
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Skwirl posted:It was a loving RPG class in games through most of the 90s lol wait what? This does not ring any bells to me.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:42
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empty baggie posted:I'm pretty sure it's still seen that way by alot of people, since the local cidery in my area is called Gypsy Circus Cider Company, and it definitely has a bohemian vibe (and I'm not aware of anyone protesting the name in the decade it's been in business, even after expanding into one of the major cities in the state). Ok thing is, did anyone ask the local Roma if they minded the use of Gypsy or Bohemian? Are there local Roma or is this is like when white people use sketchy language in a closed room and go “well I didn’t hear anyone complaining”
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Apr 15, 2021 20:42
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xtal posted:It's so bad that has a derogatory verb form, and it's so common that you'll hear it in popular culture. When I was a teenager people would use the word "jewed" in the same sense, which was horrible and racist, but Jew isn't an inherently derogatory term.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:43
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learnincurve posted:Ok thing is, did anyone ask the local Roma if they minded the use of Gypsy or Bohemian? Are there local Roma or is this is like when white people use sketchy language in a closed room and go “well I didn’t hear anyone complaining” I'm not trying to defend it, but yeah, it's ran by a bunch of pseudo hippies in a very red area of a very red state.
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christmas boots posted:lol wait what? This does not ring any bells to me. Sorry, my mistake, it was a whole role playing game. https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/World_of_Darkness:_Gypsies
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Apr 15, 2021 20:44
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empty baggie posted:I'm pretty sure it's still seen that way by alot of people, since the local cidery in my area is called Gypsy Circus Cider Company, and it definitely has a bohemian vibe (and I'm not aware of anyone protesting the name in the decade it's been in business, even after expanding into one of the major cities in the state). A shocking number of Americans don’t realize that the Roma are even real. Seriously a lot of people mentally categorize them with leprechauns and mermaids and stuff.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:44
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Read After Burning posted:I think that whole thing gets confusing since we still have shows with that word in the title. It's only in the past two years or so that the MST3K character Gypsy has been renamed GPC. 
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Just that there seems to be a pervasive effort to expunge it, in fact they just renamed the MST3K character toPowered Descent posted:It's only in the past two years or so that the MST3K character Gypsy has been renamed GPC. God DAMMIT
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Apr 15, 2021 20:47
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Skwirl posted:Sorry, my mistake, it was a whole role playing game. I mean let's not use WoD: Gypsy (or the Ravnos, or.. well, most WoD stuff that isn't about lily white people) to say it wasn't racist. WoD: Gypsy was how I first realized it was a lovely racist term. (I'm also from the Southern US and thought it was just like 'vagabond psychic' until I was in my early 20's.)
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Apr 15, 2021 20:47
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learnincurve posted:Ok thing is, did anyone ask the local Roma if they minded the use of Gypsy or Bohemian? Are there local Roma or is this is like when white people use sketchy language in a closed room and go “well I didn’t hear anyone complaining” There's ~1 million Romani-Americans or so https://web.archive.org/web/20101019220031/http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2025316,00.html
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"It's that Bowling for Soup song, isn't it? Gonna get a hot MILF with a midlife crisis!"
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Captain Monkey posted:I mean let's not use WoD: Gypsy (or the Ravnos, or.. well, most WoD stuff that isn't about lily white people) to say it wasn't racist. WoD: Gypsy was how I first realized it was a lovely racist term. (I'm also from the Southern US and thought it was just like 'vagabond psychic' until I was in my early 20's.) I wasn't trying to say that's an example of the word not being racist, I was saying that's an example of Americans having no loving idea it was racist. Edit: also this letthereberock posted:A shocking number of Americans don’t realize that the Roma are even real. Seriously a lot of people mentally categorize them with leprechauns and mermaids and stuff. The other games they published at the time you played a werewolf, a vampire, a ghost or a magician.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:51
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Skwirl posted:I wasn't trying to say that's an example of the word not being racist, I was saying that's an example of Americans having no loving idea it was racist. In fact, I don't think anyone itt is saying that.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:56
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Powered Descent posted:It's only in the past two years or so that the MST3K character Gypsy has been renamed GPC. There are people with this name, and it shows up in baby name lists. 
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Apr 15, 2021 20:58
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Yeah, I think it's an "explanation, but not an excuse" thing. No one (as far as I can tell) is trying to say it isn't a slur, only trying to explain how many people don't know it's a slur since the word has been used casually, even into the 2000s. ^^^ Speaking of slurs, John Cleese being an rear end in a top hat is how I learned a new homophobic one from the UK. "Poofter"
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Apr 15, 2021 20:59
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learnincurve posted:Would it surprise anyone at all that we have far far worse words in the U.K. for travellers that make Gypsy seem like a fluffy kitten in comparison Yeah, it's definitely still a controversial term, but I've never heard anyone who disliked travellers say 'gypsy' when they can say 'gyppo' or 'pikey' instead. Unless they were a politician who stops just short of flinging the nastier slurs while still openly arguing for them to have fewer rights, like this guy.
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Apr 15, 2021 20:59
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Most americans exposure to "gypsies" are those TLC shows where very white non-travelling people who call themselves "gypsies" buy $10,000 wedding dresses for 14 year olds Couple that with the american understanding that racism = skin color and its easy to see why americans don't see it the same way as europeans where being "white" seems more about splitting cultural hairs than melanin Then add that everyone sees their own country's culture/viewpoints to be the center of the universe/correct...
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Apr 15, 2021 21:02
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I mean even then the 90s were a Wild West were you could be openly racist in media and no one really cares as long as you didn’t use the N word
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Bismuth posted:Person in youtube comments arguing that nonbinary people should use "folx" because "folks" is for cis people, which is an incredibly online take since they're pronounced the same when spoken and messes with screen readers Does it bug anyone else that when Online People decide they're gonna "get real" they start using the word "y'all"? Why?
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christmas boots posted:IIRC I didn't really even realize they were a distinct ethnic group when I was growing up instead of just a life style and the whole thing seemed pretty romanticized 
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Scratch Monkey posted:Does it bug anyone else that when Online People decide they're gonna "get real" they start using the word "y'all"? Why? y'all and folks, because they want to fit in I guess
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As an offering to the thread for contributing to the slur derail, have some of this! For context, Lindsay Ellis is a long-time "critical analyst" (whatever the term is) of media. I think she used to pal around with Nostalgia Critic until she nope'd out of that group? So a few weeks ago, she posted this. https://twitter.com/SequiturV3/status/1382745777655713792 Apparently this upset a lot of people. From what I understand, she was basically showing her rear end by saying "Movie about Asia featuring a lot of Asian cast members is basically like the made-by-white-people Avatar: TLA." People called her out, and I believe she apologized. That's cool and good, right? Well, today, she posted this, and a lot of people are not happy: https://twitter.com/EphramOliver/status/1382732467363270662 https://twitter.com/padmrey/status/1382752343347712005
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Apr 15, 2021 21:08
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"if you squint" was one of the most unintentionally hilarious tweets I've ever read
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Apr 15, 2021 21:11
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Twitter is such a flaming garbage heap. And it's armed with pitch forks.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Does it bug anyone else that when Online People decide they're gonna "get real" they start using the word "y'all"? Why? Theyre appropriating yee yee culture Its the text equivalent of the anti-drug speaker sitting in a chair backwards to talk to the kids
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Lindsey bad probably https://twitter.com/jourdayen/status/1382755669573574656?s=20
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mng posted:Twitter is such a flaming garbage heap. And it's armed with pitch forks. Held by 15 year olds who have no world view outside of Anime.
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Everyone’s fine with ratios until it hits their personal favorites
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Apr 15, 2021 21:17
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God help you if you insult cartoons on twitter. It could be some obscure Hitler fan comic and 12 people will lose it at you for 3 days over a perceived slight.
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Apr 15, 2021 21:20
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That...corn? Mac and cheese? Is upsetting. Also why does his avatar look like Martin Shkreli?
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Apr 15, 2021 21:30
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The only thing I miss about the deep south is the food, but man do I miss it.
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