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In the book Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH (1971) by Robert C. O'Brien as well as the 1982 animated film The Secret of NIMH directed by Don Bluth, the colony of rats living in the rosebush attributes its high intelligence to experiments conducted on the rats by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). These experiments supposedly explain why the rats are anthropomorphized. This would make sense within the logic of the story except that all the other animal characters are also intelligent and anthropomorphized anyway. Mrs. Frisbee was NOT a test subject, yet she exhibits a human personality and intelligence. The scary owl who gives Mrs. Frisbee advice was similarly anthropomorphized. If you're going to make a story about rats that become intelligent because of government experiments, that theme is somewhat undermined by just having all the animals be intelligent anyway, IMO. It seems like the only real change the rats underwent from their original state was they gained the ability to read human language.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yielghmFpNY
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Apr 17, 2021 17:14
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The rats are smart enough that they can communicate with other beasts, OP
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Apr 17, 2021 17:16
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She became intelligent when her husband Jonathan came in her.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:17
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The world is a vampire 
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Apr 17, 2021 17:18
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I guess another plot hole that only exists in the movie is that in addition to brain serum, there's also a magic gem that gives the user telekinetic powers, apparently unconnected to the NIMH's experiments. And Mrs. Frisbee who, again, was not subject to the experiments, was able to tap into the power of the gem, making the whole experiment subplot kind of pointless.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:19
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Devils Affricate posted:She became intelligent when her husband Jonathan came in her. I'm assuming there's an unspoken implication that Jonathan or one of the other rats hosed the owl at some point.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:19
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Solar Opposites and yet still able to work with each other. Nice!
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Apr 17, 2021 17:20
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Well if the owl ate a serum-rat....
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Apr 17, 2021 17:21
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That's how it worked for Maurice
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Apr 17, 2021 17:22
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Applewhite posted:I'm assuming there's an unspoken implication that Jonathan or one of the other rats hosed the owl at some point. Yep, the crow too (except only a little because he's stupid as hell)
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Apr 17, 2021 17:22
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I had a friend in elementary school who was obsessed with this movie, particularly the character of Justin, and now he’s a furry
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Apr 17, 2021 17:23
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Don Bluth is the father of all furries.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:24
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do you think the smart dude rats still want to bang the dumb animal girl rats?
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Apr 17, 2021 17:27
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Wait NIMH is an acronym?!
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Apr 17, 2021 17:30
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Isn't that where they did those creepy rat experiments?
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Apr 17, 2021 17:32
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NIMH does a lot creepy experiments
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Apr 17, 2021 17:33
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
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Apr 17, 2021 17:35
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The owl ate GMO rats and it altered the owls DNA.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:37
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This is why I only eat GMO foods, in hopes it will alter my DNA in positive ways. So far I have only developed an increasingly worrying number of nipples.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:39
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You are what you eat 
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Apr 17, 2021 17:46
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though all the animals are anthropomorphized like you said, i think the nimh rats demonstrate their intelligence through their understanding of human things- like being able to read written language, manipulate machinery, etc. so gently caress YOU op i read one of the sequels when i was young and i remember it kind of sucking 
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Apr 17, 2021 17:54
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free hubcaps posted:though all the animals are anthropomorphized like you said, i think the nimh rats demonstrate their intelligence through their understanding of human things- like being able to read written language, manipulate machinery, etc. so gently caress YOU op Yeah it's this. Now that the OP has been rightfully humiliated, what's everyone's favorite childrens book? Mine was is and always will be Peter Pan.
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Apr 17, 2021 17:59
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I think for the villain, it's handwaved because "blah blah owls wise". As for the other animals, gently caress. I got nothing... Maybe they ate the remains of other discarded NIMHed up rats idk EDIT: Oh problem solved. Then it's Charlotte's Web. If you can watch this spider die without crying you have no soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_zn9B-t7Z4
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Apr 17, 2021 18:00
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its sort of like if the rabbits from watership down suddenly ran into the gang from wind in the willows- both groups of animals are anthropomorphized, but the degrees to which they're humanized is wildly different
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Apr 17, 2021 18:43
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Applewhite posted:In the book Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH (1971) by Robert C. O'Brien as well as the 1982 animated film The Secret of NIMH directed by Don Bluth, the colony of rats living in the rosebush attributes its high intelligence to experiments conducted on the rats by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). These experiments supposedly explain why the rats are anthropomorphized. Yeah I noticed that as a kid. If we are being *very* generous, the animals are normally relatively intelligent and anthropomorphized but their intellectual abilities are limited while the colony of rats (and two mice) have such advanced intelligence that not only can they read and write but they're also capable of advanced engineering of both mechanical and electrical nature in the span of what we can only assume has been a few years at most without any prior education. I mean keep in mind there's no rat-sized books and stealing a text book would be difficult given the relative sizes. On top of that, the rats (and 2 mice) have apparently been given lifespans well beyond normal rodents (it gets touched on). Basically the rats aren't just smart for rats. They're considerably more intelligent than the average human now. It's a colony of Batmen and Luthors.
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Apr 17, 2021 18:45
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i was super excited to post in this thread because i love the film, but everything i wanted to say has already been said. i guess one odd thing is why the rats don't have tiny guns, but use swords and pikes instead. i really don't care though because the fight scene at the end is cool. as for childhood books, Beautiful Joe, or The Hobbit
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Apr 17, 2021 19:00
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Smik posted:Yeah I noticed that as a kid. If we are being *very* generous, the animals are normally relatively intelligent and anthropomorphized but their intellectual abilities are limited while the colony of rats (and two mice) have such advanced intelligence that not only can they read and write but they're also capable of advanced engineering of both mechanical and electrical nature in the span of what we can only assume has been a few years at most without any prior education. I mean keep in mind there's no rat-sized books and stealing a text book would be difficult given the relative sizes. On top of that, the rats (and 2 mice) have apparently been given lifespans well beyond normal rodents (it gets touched on). Ok so... in the world of the story, all animals are as intelligent as humans, and humans took them and did experiments on them to make them MORE intelligent than humans?
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Apr 17, 2021 19:06
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Applewhite posted:Ok so... in the world of the story, all animals are as intelligent as humans, and humans took them and did experiments on them to make them MORE intelligent than humans? i assumed it was like learning a new language and then using that knowledge to understand human tech...the animals could always talk to each other, but the ones that got the shot could not only talk to other animals but also do poo poo like using power cables or whatever. note that Ms Brisby (or any animal) never try to speak to humans, but they know what they do. like when the plough is arriving or something. Ms Brisby doesn't understand human technology like her husband did, so she needs the help of the rats, and Mr Aegis, to understand. I can't remember what the gently caress is the deal with the gemstone
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Apr 17, 2021 20:05
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maybe it didn't take place at all
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Apr 17, 2021 20:08
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Aegis Bear posted:
It is weird they used to show us this in grade school when they needed to fill up time. Its pretty dark and the themes aren't exactly useful in real life at all.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:10
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1) Rats can't talk i rest my case
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Apr 17, 2021 20:35
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Inverted Icon posted:NIMH does a lot creepy experiments “High doses of PCP and its effect on lawn maintenance?” Can I trust myself with the weedwhacker and electric chainsaw? For $75 and lunch provided I guess we’re gonna find out!
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Apr 17, 2021 20:48
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no pubes yet sorry posted:It is weird they used to show us this in grade school when they needed to fill up time. Its pretty dark and the themes aren't exactly useful in real life at all. the fair is a veritable smorgasbord smorgasbord after the lights go out it actually ties in with the rat theme
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Apr 17, 2021 20:49
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None of those other animals steal electricity, which is the bar
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Apr 17, 2021 20:50
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I thought the point of Secret of NIMH is that the scientists were really bad at their job because all the animals could already talk and were smart enough to make a really nice cozy three bedroom out of a cinder block, and it is the humans who are the true barbarians because of our inability to derive as much value from the housing market. That's the "secret" in the story.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:58
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Universe Master posted:do you think the smart dude rats still want to bang the dumb animal girl rats? If the nimh rats truly have human-like minds, yes
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Apr 17, 2021 20:59
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This was sick
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Apr 17, 2021 21:03
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HD DAD posted:I had a friend in elementary school who was obsessed with this movie, particularly the character of Justin, and now he’s a furry I don't know anybody at any point in my life who went down that path so it's always kind of inducing questions. How hardcore? As in, he consumes a lot of anthro-animal material, or has his own character and commissions porn of himself with other furries? Did he make you roleplay back in the day? Did you break off with him because you could see he was diving headfirst into the rabbit hole? How weird a person are we talking about here?
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Apr 17, 2021 21:14
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Mr. Ages was an industrious man of science; ran a pharmacy and medical practice out of his machine shop. So why would he lug around an animal bone around strapped to his outfit, as some kind of primitivist shaman hobo?
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