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RBA Starblade posted:The Spartan program and what they're really there for or why they really exist is kept secret from nearly everyone (including nearly all the military, who for all they really know, outside of some higherups, they're just good soldiers and it's all a next-gen weapons platform thing) and when the Covenant war ends, and the UNSC relinquishes control back to the civilian government, they immediately go "so how did you make those Mister Chiefs anyway, we should probably have more", realize it was a mega crime against humanity, and immediately start looking into trying people for said crimes, and the Spartan program changes into a "give volunteering really good soldiers cybernetic enhancements" program. Isn't Johnson technically an early/proto-Spartan? Were they made for use against the colonies also ore just the Master Chef ones?
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Mordja posted:Isn't Johnson technically an early/proto-Spartan? Were they made for use against the colonies also ore just the Master Chef ones? Yep. Johnson's been retconned a few times because no one wanted to accept that Bungie just brought the VA and character back in Halo 2 after getting infected by space zombies and/or exploding because he owned, so right now he's technically a Spartan 1 when it went by another codename instead (as opposed to Chief, a Spartan 2) who prior to the games joined in raided rebel bomb-making facilities and groups (both sides were in not totally open warfare but not cold war either). He's only been enhanced a little bit comparatively, and as a consenting adult. Nearly all of this comes from spinoff books, ingame, the only thing you are told about why/how Johnson isn't dead on Halo is "it's classified, don't think about it and have fun shooting the battle rifle instead". Actually, nearly all the lovely, especially stupid stuff comes from the spinoff books and Halo 4 onward.
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For more information, check out the Halo novels! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEWEdIcx1DI
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RBA Starblade posted:The Spartan program and what they're really there for or why they really exist is kept secret from nearly everyone (including nearly all the military, who for all they really know, outside of some higherups, they're just good soldiers and it's all a next-gen weapons platform thing) and when the Covenant war ends, and the UNSC relinquishes control back to the civilian government, they immediately go "so how did you make those Mister Chiefs anyway, we should probably have more", realize it was a mega crime against humanity, and immediately start looking into trying people for said crimes, and the Spartan program changes into a "give volunteering really good soldiers cybernetic enhancements" program. Wow, that's stupid. My only recent interaction with the series has been watching the best of Woolie Vs videos, and I thought the explanation that the secret Reach terminals was alluding to was a bunch of humanity's AIs were doing shifty stuff behind the backs of the humans, decided that even if they had no idea if there was intelligent life out there they needed to prepare for aliens that are A) hostile, and B) have overwhelming tech superiority. IIRC the AIs eventually decided to make humans think they were coming up with stuff while they were being guided to do what the AIs wanted, with the implication that the Spartan program was meant for alien wrecking with the reasons presented to humans was 'do it to save the economy  '.That was my takeaway, but it was apparently much, much stupider.
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Ashsaber posted:Wow, that's stupid. My only recent interaction with the series has been watching the best of Woolie Vs videos, and I thought the explanation that the secret Reach terminals was alluding to was a bunch of humanity's AIs were doing shifty stuff behind the backs of the humans, decided that even if they had no idea if there was intelligent life out there they needed to prepare for aliens that are A) hostile, and B) have overwhelming tech superiority. I'm reminded of the intelligent yogurt section of Love, Death & Robots.
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There's not enough Eve love on here. I have a few favorite ships, but let's start with my mainstay: The Sabre  It's easily the ship I fly the most, and consequentially the one I've lost the most. What makes it special? Well, in Eve, there's three major forms of FTL travel: gates, jump drives, and, most commonly, warp drives. In Eve parlance, tackle is the prevention of the use of the latter two, and the Sabre can tackle in a 20km radius sphere, preventing all warping and jumping within it (a few ships can ignore this, but those are specialized). It's a fun ship, especially when flown properly, and can get you and your buddies some shiny killmails. The Astero  There are very few ships in Eve that can do two roles at once, and this tiny ship is one of them. The Astero is a great scouting ship, and is a capable PVP ship without sacrificing its scouting ability. You can even make it have a third role and not lose much combat ability, but why would you at that point? Either way, it's one of my mainstay ships, a great scout, and looks cool as gently caress. I'll have more later.
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Ashsaber posted:Wow, that's stupid. My only recent interaction with the series has been watching the best of Woolie Vs videos, and I thought the explanation that the secret Reach terminals was alluding to was a bunch of humanity's AIs were doing shifty stuff behind the backs of the humans, decided that even if they had no idea if there was intelligent life out there they needed to prepare for aliens that are A) hostile, and B) have overwhelming tech superiority. That WAS what Bungie wanted to leave off with (along with being a gigantic Marathon reference) though the civil war thing was happening anyway, but nobody at 343 read or cared about that part lol. Reach tried to retcon a few different things that 343 grossly misunderstood or didn't notice and instead made a lot dumber.
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A 6 month old spaceship thread with no mention of Stargate?  The aliens in that show knew that once your tech is advanced enough, there is no excuse for a lack of aesthetics.The OG Ha'tak loving rules. Why would your ship need a front or back when it has reactionless engines?  It's big.  It's mean.  It's bristling with guns.  Thor's original ship was badass too, moreso than the sleek, chromed-up Asgard ships that followed it. Unfortunately there aren't many decent pics of it, probably due to the age of the source material. Naturally his ship has a mjolnir thing going on.  Lightshow:  What do you do when someone breaks the protected planets treaty? Beam their poo poo the gently caress outta there lol: 
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Thor is going on about having advanced enough to understand the true meaning of the Asgard, and Sam is all "uh, no, we're a slightly more advanced civilization, and we kinda broke your thing, and well, now..." "Goa'uld?" "Goa'uld." *flies the gently caress over from the next galaxy to stomp on Heru'urs poo poo*
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Speaking of Stargate ships I'd like to add in the Daedalus. Being originally armed with railguns and missiles it was also cool as all hell. Transporting nukes aboard ships was cool while it lasted as well. Unfortunately when it got upgraded with asgard beams it lost a lot of its cool factor even though it could solo entire fleets on its own for the most part. Its kind of similiar to Galactica with the fighter bays and using ballistic weaponry which is another reason I like it. Basically railguns and missiles can make any ship great. Stanley Tucheetos fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 27, 2020 15:56
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Don't hotlink images. And with some images, especially on Wikis, you can't just plop their URL into imgur because they have some trash at the end. Delete everything after the file extension and it'll work.
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:A 6 month old spaceship thread with no mention of Stargate? Or that one where they're on the Alternative Earth that is being invaded by Apothis and they speed run the first Asgard episode and a single Asgard ship is enough to have Apothis run away the second they detect it.
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This thread should have more Eve Online. Each race has it’s own distinct style but Amarr are the best mix of practicality and organic lines. Also gently caress ammo, lasers everywhere. The best Amarr ship? Space bug https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Prorator There are better shots of it as well as some large images of all ship types. Unfortunately I’m enjoying SA on an old iPad so look them up
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I was wandering around ArtStation and found an artist, Ansel HsiaoPro who make Star Wars ship designs. A lot of his stuff falls under the "5 million variations of star destroyer/Millennium Falcon/Slave 1" or "normal ship, but with so many guns/missiles there would be no room for the pilot" that you see a LOT with Star Wars fanart, but a couple stood out. Heavy drop barge - if the empire made Thunderbird 2 it would be this ship. Has huge pointless wings, no idea why, but I love how the cargo bay extends itself slightly for the doors to open.   Tie Demolisher - I really like the underslung fuselage on this, but it also suffers from MoreGun syndrome. Though in this case, it's more bombs.   All-Terrain Shock Enforcer - like an AT-ST but with MoreGun syndrome.  All-Terrain Siege Platform - did I say MoreGun syndrome? This thing is the living embodiment of the idea of MoreGun.   Don't talk to me or my son ever again Intersector-class Sloop - if the empire made the Millennium Falcon. I love the pointless little wings on it:  
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Do AT-ATs sleep on their side, on their knees, or totally standing up?
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While walking along in desert sand, you suddenly look down and see an AT-AT crawling toward you. You reach down and flip it over onto its back. The AT-AT lies there, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over, but it cannot do so without your help. You are not helping. Why?
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Tulip posted:While walking along in desert sand, you suddenly look down and see an AT-AT crawling toward you. You reach down and flip it over onto its back. The AT-AT lies there, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over, but it cannot do so without your help. You are not helping. Why? Gonk.
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Tape two Gonk droids together for a baby AT-AT.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I was wandering around ArtStation and found an artist, Ansel HsiaoPro who make Star Wars ship designs. These designs are all ridiculous and, for example, completely negate the point of the TIE Fighter thematically, cinematically, and in-universe design-wise. BUT, they are exactly what Space Nazis would design if they had unlimited resources.
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Back in 1998, I thought the "asteroid belt fighter" ships from the Pax Imperia: Eminent Domain intro video were really cool looking. The design does a good job telegraphing that they're short-range, that they're single-purpose, and that they're not friendly. In a completely different medium, one of the music videos for the new Gojira album has a cool spaceship design that clearly draws on the aesthetic trend of "FTL ships have leading and trailing rings for an Alcubierre drive" that's been prevalent in video games for the last 5 years or so. 
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There’s a trailer for a new Netflix movie called Stowaway, and it’s got a neat “realistic” spaceship for traveling to Mars. Scott Manley did a video about it because he consulted on its design and even used Kerbal Space Program to demonstrate how it would work. https://youtu.be/WCwXJMVVdck
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Can't watch the whole thing right now but even at a glance that's by far the most accurate-to-current-ideas rotating mars ship I've seen in tv/movie. No complicated separate-gravity-wheel, just rotate the whole thing and have two pods connected by a lightweight cable at a very long distance to avoid small-Coriolis-issues. Great, I'll have something to take screenshots of when talking about that design.
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MikeJF posted:Can't watch the whole thing right now but even at a glance that's by far the most accurate-to-current-ideas rotating mars ship I've seen in tv/movie. No complicated separate-gravity-wheel, just rotate the whole thing and have two pods connected by a lightweight cable at a very long distance to avoid small-Coriolis-issues. Great, I'll have something to take screenshots of when talking about that design. Yeah, Scott talks about how it’s accurate and has historical support while also allowing them to film with a reasonable budget.
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Brawnfire posted:I love any ship where the artist clearly thought "gently caress, this is a penis" and began adding elements to reduce the phallic quality but it keeps getting dickier Bucnasti posted:Yeah, Scott talks about how it’s accurate and has historical support while also allowing them to film with a reasonable budget.  Everybody always talks about The Shining or the moon landing with Kubrick. I hadn't actually seen what they had build for the centrifuge of the Discovery.Has anyone mentioned Discovery One? I think I saw 2010 before 2001, so I'll post that:  A dust-covered, slowly spinning, abandoned space ship. All those aboard are dead or ... gone. What happened here?
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Vavrek posted:Does real life count as a medium? I just watched a thing about 2010 last night and It made me want to go back and watch it but its nowhere. The Russian ship is pretty cool with its rotating section. I think that was the first time I'd seen that before.
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I love 2010. The synth music. The loneliness of deep space. Roy Schieder. The whole vibe.
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twistedmentat posted:I just watched a thing about 2010 last night and It made me want to go back and watch it but its nowhere. The Russian ship is pretty cool with its rotating section. I think that was the first time I'd seen that before. Yeah, the contrast between the Leonov and the Discovery is great
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:Yeah, the contrast between the Leonov and the Discovery is great I always wondering did they have magnetic shoes to move outside of the rotating section? When Bowman is walking in the suit, hes moving with such careful precision I assumed he was, but only the black spots on the floor were magnetic. That reminds me, I am totally okay with gravity fields or plating or whatever magic wand tech they need to use to not have everything be zero G. Even the Expanse, which takes this all into account, still has a lot of reasons not to just have everything floating around.
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In all fairness, constant acceleration and rotating sections are the only two ways to manage artificial gravity without space magic. As far as I'm aware Expanse is the only sci-fi show to have ever opted for acceleration.
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Bug Squash posted:In all fairness, constant acceleration and rotating sections are the only two ways to manage artificial gravity without space magic. As far as I'm aware Expanse is the only sci-fi show to have ever opted for acceleration. They have rotational gravity on stations.
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Star Trek ships should have had a rotating saucer section and rotating main hull(?) outsides the pylons. Any section that didn’t have a full time crew would be weightless with mag boots. Hell center core of the saucer could have been storage/ warehousing and landing bays where you wouldn’t want gravity anyways.
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Are there any equivalents to Star Wars's visual dictionaries or cross-section books for other sci-fi franchises?   I love these books and how they give you a look at the whole designs and even contextualize things in terms of what the space inside is shaped like and how people fit in them, and they're even putting out these "owner's manual" books that seem neat, but I've already got so much Star Wars in my brain, and I really want to see a broader range of things rather than piling up more on top of the one big franchise I already know. The closest I've seen outside of Star Wars are books on Lego spaceships, which are really neat, but they're not exactly what I want. https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Book-Ne...465467149&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Space-Building-Peter-Reid/dp/1593275218     And then they also can circle around back to Star Wars again.  There might be some Trek stuff out there, but I've never seen any Trek material contextualizing ships in human terms. Everything's just inconceivably large.
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I always want to buy those SW books but they're all so expensive.
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I recommend used books stores. Those books are sold in hardcover so they'll last, and you might even find one that hasn't really been touched, because they put out new books with stuff from the newer movies that pushes the older books off shelves. There's also online used book sellers which can be a little sketchier and you have to keep an eye on the combined price plus shipping price. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Bo..._-srp1-_-title7 https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Bo..._-srp1-_-title3 https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Bo..._-srp1-_-title8
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You're in luck, as there are some cool insane Trek fans. I personally love the floor plans made by super-Trek nerd Franz Joseph made up in the 1970s and then submitted to Roddenberry, who made a quick buck by allowing him to license them. Then in Star Trek I and II, you can actually see the blueprints used as props on the screens in the background of the bridge. Recently, another superfan has edited those 1970s floor plans and made them a bit more logical and also matched them to certain episode scenes:  He also has other floorplans of other TOS-era ships that Franz Joseph made up, including the early no-engineering section ship that was turned into the Reliant for ST II. Most of the others are pretty meh, but the three-nacelle Dreadnaught version of a Federation ship is really interesting as it has the bridge NOT exposed on top but buried in the saucer, along with like flag offices and tactical stations surrounding it and such. Edit - the reason there isn't many good books made is because the Trek license has been a quagmire of rights issues until recently. The movie ships were different licensing than the tv show ships, etc. Also, since the JJ Abrams movie in 2009, the people behind Star Trek's visual effects really have done a 180 from having some of the most thought-out and super nerdy effort put into the designs of ships to just having the ships be lazy cgi things designed to look cool. Basically designs by idiots for idiots. Case in point, this is what the insides of ships look like in Star Trek Discovery. jeeves fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise was favorite childhood reading material, alongside the Star Trek TNG Technical Manual. As a matter of fact, the saucer section crash in Generations was first described six years prior un the TNGTM.
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Star trek is full of manuals and reference stuff. The TNG tech manual is legendary but incredibly dense, and the DS9 tech manual was a bit lighter. And of course the TNG deck plans were ridiculously detailed. I haven't read it but the Haynes Guide to the Enterprise might be up your alley.    SlothfulCobra posted:There might be some Trek stuff out there, but I've never seen any Trek material contextualizing ships in human terms. Everything's just inconceivably large. Funny you say that after a post about Star Wars, since when it comes to the capital ships star trek is... a bit more restrained.  Enterprise was explicitly designed to be the same size as a 1960s US Navy carrier. 
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I spent way too much of my high school years playing the FASA Star Trek board game and collecting every single ship recognition manual they had. They only had the exterior tri-views but they put some real thought into trying to make up roles for the various ships and explain the history of the various races' design practices. I'm nostalgic enough that I kind of want to go re-buy them but pragmatic enough to know that I'd also need to buy a new set of rules (so I could understand the stats) and before I knew it, I'd be $200 into materials for a game I have no desire to ever play again.
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