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Detective No. 27 posted:It's been years but I'm pretty sure it was Snyder or Terrio who confirmed they specifically named it to sound like a court case. Yeah, the big point is that they are in a conflict of legitimacy. Batman thinks Superman is inherently a threat as a result of Superman having totally destroyed his worldview and the status quo he was used to, Superman thinks Batman's vigilantism is a threat to people that causes more harm than good. I think a lot of people really don't get that the outcome of the conflict is Batman surrendering and converting to Superman's worldview, and actively doing the job that Superman can't, which turns out to be exactly what he'd rather do. He swoops in at the nick of time, shrugs off bullets and terrorises armed thugs, and protects the innocent with his speed and his cape.
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Man, thank gently caress we got BvS instead of whatever else poetic weirdness it could have been. Last Son of Krypton vs. The Orphan of Gotham! Rewatched part of Man of Steel last night and... are they really gonna not make any more Henry Cavill Superman? The motherfucker is straight out of central casting, he might be the most Superman-looking dude who's ever lived. They're really gonna just not do anything else with that? I would pay good money to see a ZS/HC Superman movie now that he's, you know, Superman at the end of Justice League. Just a whole movie of him Supermanning it up as hard as possible, saving kittens from trees, making speeches to school assemblies, smiling 100% of the time, and at the end after 120 minutes of nothing but the Supermanest poo poo possible the entire cast turns to the camera and says, "That's my Superman!" and Supes does a little self-deprecating laugh/head shake and the music from the end of a Plinkett review starts playing. I will forever mourn the Ben Affleck Batman solo movie that, in a sane universe, would have come before BvS.
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Apr 22, 2021 12:50
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JonathonSpectre posted:I will forever mourn the Ben Affleck Batman solo movie that, in a sane universe, would have come before BvS. I'm undecided on whether the other solo movies (Flash and Aquaman) should have come before Justice League, but I think it would be an absolute mistake to have a solo Batman film before BvS. The Batman in BvS is pretty well defined by being retired then being traumatized seeing Superman fight Zod, if there is a solo Batman film between MoS and BvS what would it even be? Since BvS picks up from where MoS left off it'd have to be a flashback to years before when he decides to retire, which means it basically ends in defeat. I think it was much better to introduce Batman as they did and give us just enough detail that we could fill in the blanks on what had happened before Superman's arrival.
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Guy A. Person posted:I'm undecided on whether the other solo movies (Flash and Aquaman) should have come before Justice League, but I think it would be an absolute mistake to have a solo Batman film before BvS. The Batman in BvS is pretty well defined by being retired then being traumatized seeing Superman fight Zod, if there is a solo Batman film between MoS and BvS what would it even be? Since BvS picks up from where MoS left off it'd have to be a flashback to years before when he decides to retire, which means it basically ends in defeat. I think it was much better to introduce Batman as they did and give us just enough detail that we could fill in the blanks on what had happened before Superman's arrival. Plus it's a very easy throughline for cinematic Batmans, just think of every Batman movie of the modern era (since '89) and this Batman does or has done it. Batwing with a minigun? '89. Batmobile that plows through and over all other vehicles? Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Robin? Batman Forever/and Robin. ACAB coziness? TDK. The unique parts of this Batman, the physicality, the slasher horror framing, really don't need a separate introduction.
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Apr 22, 2021 15:48
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Guy A. Person posted:I'm undecided on whether the other solo movies (Flash and Aquaman) should have come before Justice League, but I think it would be an absolute mistake to have a solo Batman film before BvS. The Batman in BvS is pretty well defined by being retired then being traumatized seeing Superman fight Zod, if there is a solo Batman film between MoS and BvS what would it even be? Since BvS picks up from where MoS left off it'd have to be a flashback to years before when he decides to retire, which means it basically ends in defeat. I think it was much better to introduce Batman as they did and give us just enough detail that we could fill in the blanks on what had happened before Superman's arrival.
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Apr 22, 2021 16:09
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Yeah, a bit part of BvS is that it contrasts a more or less fresh Superman (opening montage aside) with a veteran Batman who's been through way too much. Most to all of the Batman movies could have taken place before it, and the contrast just strengthens the point that a DBZ battle levelling half the city across the bay just came out of nowhere to Bruce Wayne and shattered his entire worldview.
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Apr 22, 2021 16:11
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JonathonSpectre posted:I would pay good money to see a ZS/HC Superman movie now that he's, you know, Superman at the end of Justice League. Just a whole movie of him Supermanning it up as hard as possible, saving kittens from trees, making speeches to school assemblies, smiling 100% of the time, and at the end after 120 minutes of nothing but the Supermanest poo poo possible the entire cast turns to the camera and says, "That's my Superman!" and Supes does a little self-deprecating laugh/head shake and the music from the end of a Plinkett review starts playing. Buy a bunch of copies of Josstice league? Cuz that's straight up the opening scene with Superman and those kids
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Apr 22, 2021 16:25
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Superman saves kittens for two straight hours and, at the end, it's revealed that he got lobotomized by Anti-Life.
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Apr 22, 2021 17:35
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Superman saves kittens for two straight hours and, at the end, it's revealed that he also saved a puppy
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Apr 22, 2021 17:42
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they can do a bunch of DCCU shorts where superman does nice things and talks about being a good guy then smiles and flies away 4-5 mins tops really
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Apr 22, 2021 18:21
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Too bad the '78 Superman didn't save that little girl from mommy's fists and abominations. She grew up to be a tech dudette silicon valley type who worshiped Reagan until Rand entered her life in college then successfully funded anti-union campaigns that crushed organization.
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Apr 22, 2021 18:25
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Blood Boils posted:Buy a bunch of copies of Josstice league? Cuz that's straight up the opening scene with Superman and those kids Yeah but I want it to have something to do with the rest of the movie.
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Apr 23, 2021 00:47
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Superman 78 is right there dude
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Apr 23, 2021 01:38
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IDK, I wish we had another Cavill Superman movie as he hasn't been given a lot to do over the 3 movies he was in. In MOS we see him become Superman and then immediately deal with Zod and the movie ends. In BvS we have a montage of him doing Superman things that shows he's been busy in the interim, and I think one scene of him at home with Lois Lane, then he fights Batman, Doomsday, and dies. The in Justice League he comes back, fights the League, has like one short scene with Lois and Martha, and fails to stop the Unity from forming, then he has a quick scene with Bruce at the farm and it's over. We never get much in the day to day of being Superman and Clark Kent. Now, these are movies so there's only so much time to devote to all this, and Snyder's movies seem very into hitting the big strokes of the story and not much into showing the day to day activities of their characters. A sequel to MoS that was closer to the pre-zombie scenes in Dawn of the Dead would have been nice. Have Superman fight someone who isn't associated with Zod or Darkside. We have a lot of episodic Superman content out there and that colors what we expect of the character.
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Apr 23, 2021 02:04
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It would be kinda funny if Snyder's vision for the Dark Timeline stuff included a ton of Superman doing nice friendly jobs and smiling a lot while he maintains an utter dystopian hellscape
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Apr 23, 2021 02:14
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Martman posted:It would be kinda funny if Snyder's vision for the Dark Timeline stuff included a ton of Superman doing nice friendly jobs and smiling a lot while he maintains an utter dystopian hellscape "A Better World" live action Justice League would be pretty rad
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Martman posted:It would be kinda funny if Snyder's vision for the Dark Timeline stuff included a ton of Superman doing nice friendly jobs and smiling a lot while he maintains an utter dystopian hellscape
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Timeless Appeal posted:Has anyone done a cut over the Snyder Cut where Cyborg's vision is just scenes from the Whedon cut? When his dad says "the greater challenge will be not changing things" a bunch of terrible whedon edits pop up.
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Apr 23, 2021 07:19
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The movie cuts away a few times with cards reading "Meanwhile, in Ethiopia..."
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Apr 23, 2021 07:43
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Superman Saves Kitten, Thousands Perish
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Apr 23, 2021 09:40
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Mantis42 posted:Superman Saves Kitten, Thousands Perish >tugs collar nervously< Ha ha just kidding folks! This just in, the kitten was located on Abandonment Island, the island just off the coast of the world's biggest city where there are no lifeforms of any kind!
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Mantis42 posted:Superman Saves Kitten, Thousands Perish
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Mantis42 posted:Superman Saves Kitten, Thousands Perish Volcano Erupts, Kitten Sole Survivor
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PeterCat posted:IDK, I wish we had another Cavill Superman movie as he hasn't been given a lot to do over the 3 movies he was in. In MOS we see him become Superman and then immediately deal with Zod and the movie ends. In BvS we have a montage of him doing Superman things that shows he's been busy in the interim, and I think one scene of him at home with Lois Lane, then he fights Batman, Doomsday, and dies. The in Justice League he comes back, fights the League, has like one short scene with Lois and Martha, and fails to stop the Unity from forming, then he has a quick scene with Bruce at the farm and it's over. We get quite a bit of his "normal" day spread throughout Mos and ultimate Beavis imo
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Apr 23, 2021 19:13
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Yeah, if you count saving Lois from the ship robot, he spends the first 40 minutes of Man of Steel saving people in various vignettes - he just isn't wearing a cape.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:25
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AND he wasn't smiling. What a fucker.
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tbf MoS was all about him finding his place in the world, so I get not thinking of rambling hobo Clark as being his "normal, day to day" life. Ultimate BvS has reporter Clark all over the first half, that's really on the studio for forcing them to gut it from the theatrical at the last minute.
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The very idea that a moral, conscientious Superman could have such a thing as a "normal" day in the modern world - that he could contribute to and maintain stability rather than necessarily heightening contradictions and hastening crisis - is highly ideological.
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I really want them to make that movie but there's just closeups of him sweating nervously the whole time.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I really want them to make that movie but there's just closeups of him sweating nervously the whole time. Superman doesn't sweat 
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Apr 23, 2021 22:12
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McCloud posted:Superman doesn't sweat Ah, like Prince Andrew!
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Rewatching JL again. I still think it's dumb that Wonder Woman wears wedge heels instead of flat sandals. Superman looks to have some nice anatomical boots though.
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Apr 25, 2021 03:16
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I do not like the monochrome color palette of this movie. I like my superhero movies to be colorful.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:47
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Kurzon posted:I do not like the monochrome color palette of this movie. I like my superhero movies to be colorful. Well good thing there's a version of this movie right up your alley!
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Kurzon posted:I do not like the monochrome color palette of this movie. I like my superhero movies to be colorful. Hmm you must’ve loaded up the Justice is Gray edition, there is actually a color version of the movie you should try.
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JiG is pretty dope though, some aspects are definitely enhanced by being in black and white. One big loss is Superman's outfit; you can't tell it's any different from what he'd normally wear in the JiG version, which means whatever thought process led him to wear it is also essentially not present in the movie. You also miss the Knightmare scenes putting him back in blue and red
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Apr 25, 2021 19:57
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K Waste-style cut where only the classic Superman suit is in colour.
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josh04 posted:K Waste-style cut where only the classic Superman suit is in colour. Go into the opposite direction, re-color every character with MSPaint.
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Grendels Dad posted:Go into the opposite direction, re-color every character with MSPaint. Lol it just reminds me of the RLM guys saying “at least I can see things!” about Josstice Leagues technicolor throw up. People’s standards are so hilarious.
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Grendels Dad posted:Go into the opposite direction, re-color every character with MSPaint. Tom Snyder's Justice League
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