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Listen, buddy, we've got to modernise this stuff and bring out the moral grey areas and the dark gritty side of real life. Honestly, what would a trench soldier orphaned at the age of 12 know about real suffering!!?Southpaugh posted:An Ent masturbates in the corner. It goes on for way longer than you would like it to. What we really need is some kind of female equivalent to the Ents. It's stupid that it's like, a male-only race. What we need is some kind of... Entwhores? Entsexslaves? Entcest? Something like that anyway
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Data Graham posted:Username/post combo I feel unwell now.
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Play with her hröa!
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We all know they are sexing it up to show elf titties. I'm fine with that as long as they show some dwarf dong.
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How many canon female characters are even active in the second age. Galadriel I guess. And uh that one woman from the Numenor story? The one who married the prince who refused to stop sailing?
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I can't wait for the side plot about Celeborn moonlighting as the male lead in several Dol Amroth Telepornos.
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sweet geek swag posted:We all know they are sexing it up to show elf titties. I'm fine with that as long as they show some dwarf dong. cheetah7071 posted:How many canon female characters are even active in the second age. Galadriel I guess. And uh that one woman from the Numenor story? The one who married the prince who refused to stop sailing? i wonder if they'll show shelob's spider tiddies
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Arcsquad12 posted:I can't wait for the side plot about Celeborn moonlighting as the male lead in several Dol Amroth Telepornos.
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My wife just had an extended phone conversation with a student’s parent who turned out to be Tolkien’s grandson. That’s my story.
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Anyone wanna read old issues of the Journal of the Tolkien Society? All the ones older than 2 years are up to read for free: https://journals.tolkiensociety.org/mallorn
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cheetah7071 posted:How many canon female characters are even active in the second age. Galadriel I guess. And uh that one woman from the Numenor story? The one who married the prince who refused to stop sailing? Celebrian would be around probably.
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cheetah7071 posted:How many canon female characters are even active in the second age. Galadriel I guess. And uh that one woman from the Numenor story? The one who married the prince who refused to stop sailing? There are a few ruling Queens of Numenor. Also Ar-Pharazon's wife who is also his cousin who he forcibly marries. You're thinking of Erendis iirc.
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sweet geek swag posted:Celebrian would be around probably. there is a non-zero chance they'll have the attack on Celebrian's caravan be a gangrape scene unfortunately
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HIJK posted:there is a non-zero chance they'll have the attack on Celebrian's caravan be a gangrape scene unfortunately That happens late in the third age, so probably not.
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Like Ellladan, Elrohir and Arwen aren't even born until the third age. It seems like Elrond didn't even marry Celebrian until after the war of the Last Alliance.
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sweet geek swag posted:That happens late in the third age, so probably not. Hopefully not, its just that I don’t trust them
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HIJK posted:Hopefully not, its just that I don’t trust them I do not believe Amazon has the rights to anything from the third age and beyond. I think they are legally required to stay within a particular time period.
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HIJK posted:there is a non-zero chance they'll have the attack on Celebrian's caravan be a gangrape scene unfortunately In the style of Mary Gentle's "hand me another Elf, sergeant, this one's split".
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The artwork is Mallorn is so cool. I wish they weren’t PDFs . Oh wel
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So I mentioned earlier that I loved Saruman and so of course I loved his speech to Gandalf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz5WVmpvYp0 White!' he sneered. 'It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken.' In which case it is no longer white,' said I. 'And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.' But I wondered "just what does this Many Colours thing really mean? I don't get it." I read the books in 2012 and didn't know poo poo. I do remember when inquiring about this passage elsewhere somebody mentioned Newton. I forgot about all of this until I was reminded of it when reading about the German thinkers Schopenhauer and Goethe: "In 1810, Goethe published On the Theory of Colors (Zur Farbenlehre) in two volumes, having worked on it for twenty years. His motivation was anything but academic or theoretical -- color theory was of direct and lasting significance for his philosophy overall. As Paul Lauxtermann explains, Goethe was repulsed by Newton's method of experimentation, specifically the way he manipulated light through prisms, putting "Nature on the rack" to make it conform to his hypotheses; a related expression of Goethe's rejection of scientific approaches that force, compel, or otherwise abuse nature is his reverence for pure math but his contempt for its application to natural phenomena in such a way that nature is "crucified." Goethe and his romantic contemporaries preferred a holistic, empirical approach to nature, as succinctly demonstrated in the penultimate strophe of Wordsworth's "The Tables Turned" (1798): "Sweet is the lore which Nature brings / Our meddling intellect / Misshapes the beauteous forms of things -- / We murder to dissect." The editor of the correspondence between Schopenhauer and Goethe, Ludger Littkehaus, offers a compelling synopsis of why Goethe rejected Newtonian methods. The pressing of light through tiny openings, effectively shattering its unity in order to demonstrate a preconceived hypothesis, smacked to Goethe of Francis Bacon's Inquisitorial torture and subjugation of nature. Goethe's attacks on Newton are therefore "a secular rebellion against the experimental scientific-technical modernism" a new aggressive spirit that "robs human beings of their domicile in the world, in their living environment," destroying the unity of nature and the harmony between nature and the subject." Sorry, as I read and learn, I try to connect it with silly books and games. But at the very least, this or something like this must have been what was on Tolkien's mind while writing. I've never seen him as Luddite like some say, just a critic of the modern way we apply technology and science. There are plenty of folks like that. Science has never been an impartial method to objectivity. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Good catch!I think it's a bit over-the-top to be upset over the splitting of light... but in an otherwise pretty dry anthology of early science writing I read a sober, meticulous account of [spoiled for mega bad vibes] the vivisection of a conscious dog from about the same period which was so viscerally unpleasant and vile that I could not read any further. Is that sort of deed the price we must pay to discover how lungs work? I really hope not.
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People make that same argument about Mengele and Unit 731. It almost seems like a saving grace that nothing good comes/has come from that kind of experimentation, because then it can be dismissed more unequivocally. It would be super lovely to have to choose between that and not having a breakthrough that could not be gotten any other way. e: vv yeah that's what I'm saying. It would be a worse situation if they had been valuable science. Data Graham fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Not to derail, but the Nazi and Unit 731 experiments didn't teach us anything. They were worthless, scientifically speaking, because, among many other problems, they did not attempt proper controls, randomization, or double-blinds, nor were they systematic or reproducible. They were just torture and murder while holding a clipboard. I realize that you were probably saying that, too, but just thought I'd throw that out there.
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I guess vivisection was a big controversy back then, Lewis brings it up a lot too. I assumed it was illegal now but wikipedia tells me it isn't, I wonder why you don't hear about it much any more.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:I guess vivisection was a big controversy back then, Lewis brings it up a lot too. I assumed it was illegal now but wikipedia tells me it isn't, I wonder why you don't hear about it much any more. https://www.hsi.org/news-media/about/
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Goethe’s color book isn’t anti-scientific imo. Maybe JRRT or others have taken it that way but I didn’t. He’s empirically studying color as it’s experienced in day-to-day life. His argument is basically that Newtonian optics are a weird edge case that don’t explain how we interact with color most of the time. It’s way more about human color perception than it is about how light spectra work. It’s not faultless or at least makes a number of claims that didn’t seem right to me, but I think it’s pretty interesting for an old-time scientific treatise.
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Many Colors to me means that Saruman is basically too big for his britches. Instead of keeping a narrow focus on his duty he's gone full Sauron and has decided to control every aspect of everything. He's got his orcs and men. He's created his own ring, or tried to. He's tried to turn Isengard into a copy of Mordor. Many Colors is him trying to get mastery of....everything.
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I always figured many colours was just synonymous with two-faced.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:I guess vivisection was a big controversy back then, Lewis brings it up a lot too. I assumed it was illegal now but wikipedia tells me it isn't, I wonder why you don't hear about it much any more. For one thing, it was really difficult to obtain fresh bodies to practice on, what with no refrigeration and nobody volunteering their bodies to science. The legit supply was basically entirely condemned criminals in the extremely local area, and then only if the state was inclined to give them over for experimentation. It was difficult to the point where anatomists would pay grave robbers to steal bodies for them.
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Imagined posted:Not to derail, but the Nazi and Unit 731 experiments didn't teach us anything. I'm a bit shaky on the subject, but I'm afraid you're wrong there. A quick google turned up Hubertus Strughold, for example, who got Paperclip'd. And the Unit 731 people got immunity from the US and leniency from the Soviets, in exchange for their research data.
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Imagined posted:Not to derail, but the Nazi and Unit 731 experiments didn't teach us anything. They were worthless, scientifically speaking, because, among many other problems, they did not attempt proper controls, randomization, or double-blinds, nor were they systematic or reproducible. They were just torture and murder while holding a clipboard. I realize that you were probably saying that, too, but just thought I'd throw that out there. They weren't scientific but they were empirical, and in some cases unscientific data is a better starting point than no data. I'm pretty sure for the nazis at least MOST of it was worthless because it was scientific but also because so much of it was so monstrous that nobody would ever want to follow up on but there is an exception to that in the Freezing Experiments, which have actually had people citing them in studies on recovery from freezing temperature.
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skasion posted:Goethe’s color book isn’t anti-scientific imo. Maybe JRRT or others have taken it that way but I didn’t. He’s empirically studying color as it’s experienced in day-to-day life. His argument is basically that Newtonian optics are a weird edge case that don’t explain how we interact with color most of the time. It’s way more about human color perception than it is about how light spectra work. It’s not faultless or at least makes a number of claims that didn’t seem right to me, but I think it’s pretty interesting for an old-time scientific treatise. I agree. That's what I was trying to say when I mentioned Tolkien never came off as a Luddite to me like he does to others. There's nothing wrong with science or technology but the way some people think of those things is hosed up, and there are other, healthier ways to do science and use technology. That was Goethe's and Tolkien's message in this regard, IMO.
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Hannibal Rex posted:I'm a bit shaky on the subject, but I'm afraid you're wrong there. A quick google turned up Hubertus Strughold, for example, who got Paperclip'd. As for Tolkien, I think the point with that whole line is that Saruman is trying to change himself into a Power. Tolkien is in general not taking a favorable view of people drastically transforming themselves, and Saruman was supposed to be like Gandalf, working to rally people together, even if he had opted to do it through scholarship and such rather than perambulating around and smoking pipeweed.
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Saruman uses a radio which is important because its applicable to the 1930s rise of fascism in America and Germany etc . Today I guess the analog would be twitter and Facebook
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euphronius posted:Saruman uses a radio which is important because its applicable to the 1930s rise of fascism in America and Germany etc . Today I guess the analog would be twitter and Facebook Palantiri aren't mass media, though, they're panopticons. The only communication through them is with other palantir-users.
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I was referring to his Voice power. Which maybe came from his Ring.
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Ginette Reno posted:Many Colors to me means that Saruman is basically too big for his britches. Instead of keeping a narrow focus on his duty he's gone full Sauron and has decided to control every aspect of everything. He's got his orcs and men. He's created his own ring, or tried to. He's tried to turn Isengard into a copy of Mordor. When he accuses Gandalf of trying to acquire "the crowns of seven kings, and the rods of the Five Wizards", that's just pure projection.
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euphronius posted:I was referring to his Voice power. Which maybe came from his Ring. It seemed to me that his magical voice is part of his role as the White, since Gandalf uses it on the party when he reveals himself again (and then calls himself Saruman).
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