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FrozenVent posted:The methods used to handle cargo have changed significantly in the last half century, with the advent of containers. I appreciate the insight! Although that's even more damning because if things have changed that much in a the last half-century, it makes the fact that they have apparently not advanced at all in the intervening 900 years leading up to Star Citizen even more hilarious.
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Atopian posted:Wasn't it quite a respected engine when they started development? Nah, it was never all that respected, because all the graphical whizbangs never made up for the fact that the dev suite / editor was a pile of garbage compared to unreal or other non-licensed engines. The cost of being hard to work with is generally not worth the graphical power. For the most part the people who used cryengine, even back then, were picking it because it was cheaper than unreal. There were exceptions, but the track record of high-profile games made with cryengine is so 50/50, I'd bet that "how many ex-crytek people do you have on staff" was a big predictor of success. The reason unity was able to compete so strongly with unreal that Epic started giving it away for free isn't because unity is equal in engine power (it's not). It's because unity has a really good & usable editor, great integration with VS, and is just generally easy to make a game with. If you have to spend all your effort on just the "make a game" part, you have little time left to make your game good.
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Time_pants posted:How is it that, with all the creative license offered by the sci-fi setting of a game set more than 900 years in the future about a space-faring civilization so technologically advanced that artificial gravity is in widespread use and faster-than-light travel is commonplace, these dorks still cannot conceive of anything more spectacular to behold than signing off on a bunch of paperwork while a bunch of dock workers unload a bunch of shipping containers with forklifts and pallet jacks and methods that, in 2021, haven't been significantly updated or changed in decades? I don't know what you mean. I for one am happy to be wearing clothes that wouldn't be out of place 900 years ago and show absolutely no signs of any kind of innovation or fashion changes, even though this doublet is chafing as gently caress.
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FrozenVent posted:The methods used to handle cargo have changed significantly in the last half century, with the advent of containers. No, the transportation will be cheap because the scientists have developed a superfuel that is cheap as piss. The high cost of shipping in the Stimpire actually comes from insuring your shipment against the spontaneous explosions that plague all spacecraft in existence.
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It is doubtful that ships as small as the average Star Citizen ship would be involved in interstellar transport. Why would you build a cargo ship that is the size of a delivery truck? You would see a ton of mega freighters moving huge amounts of goods. Probably with detachable cargo pods. You show up at the planet and drop a pod or two and pick a pod or two and keep going so you don’t waste time (and money). The planet would have infrastructure to move cargo to and from orbit and load the pods. The only stuff you would see in those tiny ships would be high-value luxury goods being shipped for the ultra-wealthy. It is the equivalent of chartering a private plane to fly yourself a Tesla. Everything else is being moved in bulk. Star Citizen is not good at imagining the future of cargo. The entire economy is somehow run by fedex delivery trucks.
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Thing is that realism doesn't really enter into it, the whole space trucker idea is basically a fancy version of the Age of Sail where you take your sloop to distant shores to trade for exotic spices, though a lot of authors tend to forget that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Thing is that realism doesn't really enter into it, the whole space trucker idea is basically a fancy version of the Age of Sail where you take your sloop to distant shores to trade for exotic spices, though a lot of authors tend to forget that. Are you doubting the fidelity of Star Citizen?
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Time_pants posted:I appreciate the insight! It's because this sort of sci fi is a stealth fantasy - a fantasy where gritty cowboy miners, sole traders and guns for hire are relevant, where manual labour is still valued and respected. Compared to the real world, where the scale of global industry made humanity irrelevant long before the scale of space did. Of course, citizens miss the point of even this by obsessing over bizarre 80's fantasies of what rich people do (sit in the hot tub, go to the ~~opera~~, request silly cocktails at the space bar)
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Xenocides posted:It is doubtful that ships as small as the average Star Citizen ship would be involved in interstellar transport. Why would you build a cargo ship that is the size of a delivery truck? You would see a ton of mega freighters moving huge amounts of goods. Probably with detachable cargo pods. You show up at the planet and drop a pod or two and pick a pod or two and keep going so you don’t waste time (and money). The planet would have infrastructure to move cargo to and from orbit and load the pods. The only stuff you would see in those tiny ships would be high-value luxury goods being shipped for the ultra-wealthy. It is the equivalent of chartering a private plane to fly yourself a Tesla. Everything else is being moved in bulk. There would still be a market for smaller freighters, for eg courrier style rush runs, or servicing smaller stations. You’d probably end up with an hub and spoke model like we have now - the mega ship runs from Shanghai to Rotterdam, but you have a flotilla of smaller ships at each end that “fill” the mega ship.
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just saw this in an email : Alpha 3.13 is Live! this is still in ALPHA?
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FrozenVent posted:There would still be a market for smaller freighters, for eg courrier style rush runs, or servicing smaller stations. You’d probably end up with an hub and spoke model like we have now - the mega ship runs from Shanghai to Rotterdam, but you have a flotilla of smaller ships at each end that “fill” the mega ship. Yeah but the smaller freighters would still be bigger than anything in Star Citizen, probably minimally on the order of ten times as big. I hope they hear me and fix this so the space captains of tomorrow can manually unload all those metric tonnes of goods. GAMEPLAY!
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NoMas posted:just saw this in an email : Alpha 3.13 is Live! You’d never guess it due to the AMAZING amount of content, more than every other AAA game combined, but yes! It is still in alpha! How long was Gmail in beta? They refuse to rush perfection and that’s why they’ll always have my respect!!!
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.random posted:You’d never guess it due to the AMAZING amount of content, more than every other AAA game combined, but yes! It is still in alpha! How long was Gmail in beta? They refuse to rush perfection and that’s why they’ll always have my respect!!! To be fair if they are still developing the feature set then it probably should be listed as an alpha and they're using it correctly unlike everyone else.
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Time_pants posted:How is it that, with all the creative license offered by the sci-fi setting of a game set more than 900 years in the future about a space-faring civilization so technologically advanced that artificial gravity is in widespread use and faster-than-light travel is commonplace, these dorks still cannot conceive of anything more spectacular to behold than signing off on a bunch of paperwork while a bunch of dock workers unload a bunch of shipping containers with forklifts and pallet jacks and methods that, in 2021, haven't been significantly updated or changed in decades? They probably lack imagination, which might also explain why they refuse to accept any game that isn't wasting millions of polygons on a random coffee cup. While most people would let their imagination paper over minor shortcuts and enjoy the central aspects of a game even if it was 16-bit 2D art, some of the more extreme commandos seem unable to do this. 
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Strategic Tea posted:Of course, citizens miss the point of even this by obsessing over bizarre 80's fantasies of what rich people do (sit in the hot tub, go to the ~~opera~~, request silly cocktails at the space bar) What are you talking about the guy who wants his space pew-pew game to be quote:I'll take advantage of my Chairman's Club membership, get in touch with Imperial Access to arrange a VIP box seat at the The Port Renatus Metropolitan Opera House on Mars, a performance of Léo Delibes - Lakmé would be perfect. is totally a man of culture who dates super models and takes them to the opera irl.
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Bip Roberts posted:To be fair if they are still developing the feature set then it probably should be listed as an alpha and they're using it correctly unlike everyone else. It was explained to me before that alpha means feature-complete, i.e. everything implemented technically (and therefore you know it's feasible!), and beta is when you start fully fleshing out the art, polish bugs etc. If that's so then calling this alpha is even overstating just how far along development really is... Well, they did start with the art I guess.
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Sinecure posted:It was explained to me before that alpha means feature-complete, i.e. everything implemented technically (and therefore you know it's feasible!), and beta is when you start fully fleshing out the art, polish bugs etc. pre-alpha would probably be more accurate given how much of the promised gameplay and basic systems either don't exist or are broken to the point where they may as well not exist.
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Star citizen feels about as developed as when I was like 11 and modified quake files so the shotgun shot 1000 pellets. Since all the money is donations they cannot be sued, correct? I'd guess a lot of those donations are going to some serious lawyers.
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You can be sued for failing to deliver on a Kickstarter or similar (well, technically you can be sued for anything) but for a suit to go anywhere you really have to have taken the money and run. CIG are making something, even if it is half-baked, so I strongly doubt there'll be any real threat of legal action even if the backers do start to turn on the company.
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Jesus, Ten Years of waiting for an actual rear end game, and there are still people who are like "This barely functional pile of crap is amazing!".
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Jesus, Ten Years of waiting for an actual rear end game, and there are still people who are like "This barely functional pile of crap is amazing!". Yep, and those posts will be exhibit A in CIG's defense. "You see your honor, Star Citizen is widely beloved and definitely a game, as evidenced by all these 500 page screeds about proposed rape mechanics."
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I hope the Stimpire ends up on the court record.
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CHRIS ROBERTS: ... and that's why they only use the worst kind of electricity for punishment reasons. U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Sir, the question was, is this your signature?
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Hey everybody is this a game yet, as of April 25th 2021
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Code Jockey posted:Hey everybody is this a game yet, as of April 25th 2021 Star Citizen is whatever you want it to be, friend.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Star Citizen is whatever you want it to be, friend. Can you actually play anything, progress, persist? Or is it just a temp sandbox that keeps getting refreshed?
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Hitch posted:Can you actually play anything, progress, persist? Or is it just a temp sandbox that keeps getting refreshed?
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Hitch posted:Can you actually play anything, progress, persist? Or is it just a temp sandbox that keeps getting refreshed? Apparently you can earn credits, it's still fairly unstable so there's a good chance you'll lose them. I think you are supposed to be able to mine, deliver/recover boxes from place to place and fight other ships. Last free play I spent 4 hours trying to find and actual game but couldn't.
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https://youtu.be/LYCCeqnP22Q There’s about 900 comments on this trailer, and they’re basically all negative.
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 Lol, the cheapest version of this totally not Warthog is 81 dollars and 25 cents. Also it's listed as a standalone ship for some reason.
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i can't wait until i can play STAR CITIZEN and live out my wildest sci-fi space dogfighting fantasies by driving an ATV and shooting at people
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Mozi posted:i can't wait until i can play STAR CITIZEN and live out my wildest sci-fi space dogfighting fantasies by driving an ATV and shooting at people I’m reading this as some sort of euphemism for “going to the Martian opera and watching in-‘Verse news from the comfort of my space home,” right?
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Biplane posted:CHRIS ROBERTS: ... and that's why they only use the worst kind of electricity for punishment reasons.  perfect reference
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if you pay 80 bucks for that atv and it blows up is it gone forever or is it like an mmo mount or something where you can just respawn it whenever
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its_my_birthday posted:if you pay 80 bucks for that atv and it blows up is it gone forever or is it like an mmo mount or something where you can just respawn it whenever If it's not gone forever then there's no consequences for playing. If your ATV blows up it's gone forever and a gang of space pirates spawns on your location and rapes you. Look, I know it's not ""politically" "correct"" but that's the way real life is and I demand realism in my games.
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Honestly they should just go whole hog on the space rape/piracy thing at this point. Make that the game. They'll milk another $100 million out of it. Just make it a porn game at this point, and say that is what the customers wanted.
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Star Citizen will continue to revolutionize the gaming industry by offering monthly insurance premiums for all in-game vehicles.
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