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Did Nekromanteia kidnap and threaten to kiss him.
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Apr 20, 2021 08:34
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God I am so happy to have Eccleston able to do stories again, and to clearly enjoy being part of that world ("I feel enchanted back!"). Which in turn reminds me...Rhyno posted:Did Nekromanteia kidnap and threaten to kiss him. In all seriousness, think about how much the actors obviously love doing Big Finish, and how bad Nekromanteia must have been for Davison to legitimately consider throwing away a fun gig that also pays and lets him hang out with old friends. Have you finished thinking about how bad it must have been by now? Well sorry but you're wrong, it's worse than that.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:25
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So, no kissing then.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:47
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Peter can have a little kissing, as a treat.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:48
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Just listened to Project: Twilight and Project: Lazarus, and enjoyed the atmosphere of both. The Forge were interesting, but didn't feel quite fleshed out enough - they hype Nimrod a lot, then he doesn't seem to do much? I think vampires and sci-fi go really well together (I liked The Strain because I have questionable taste in TV sometimes), and the whole 'LAAAANDAN' casino thing was an interesting contrast. Project: Lazarus was great. I can see why Evelyn is so highly rated, and there were some actually touching moments. The second half with the 7th Doctor in no-nonsense 'towards the end of the incarnation' mode was interesting, but it never felt like the Doctor was sin any real peril. Colin Baker is fantastic in this, twisting his normal Doctor performance into clever knots as things fall apart.
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Apr 21, 2021 20:07
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OldMemes posted:Just listened to Project: Twilight and Project: Lazarus, and enjoyed the atmosphere of both. The Forge were interesting, but didn't feel quite fleshed out enough - they hype Nimrod a lot, then he doesn't seem to do much? I think vampires and sci-fi go really well together (I liked The Strain because I have questionable taste in TV sometimes), and the whole 'LAAAANDAN' casino thing was an interesting contrast. Anything involving The Forge is kind of hit or miss for me. I, as well, really enjoy the concept but wish they had done more with it. As well, Nimrod is kind of a wet fart of a villain considering how much they put into his "I'm evil" atsmophere (that voice). McGann posted:Just about halfway through Dalek Universe 1 and they went some...interesting directions here. Gonna be curious to see how it turns out. So yeah, finished that up and it was pretty good. I need to give it a second listen through to absorb some of the concepts but things like bringing back The Monk in a new incarnation are always fun IMO, but I am biased towards that character . Definitely worth a listen and curious where this will go.
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Apr 21, 2021 22:30
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McGann posted:Anything involving The Forge is kind of hit or miss for me. I, as well, really enjoy the concept but wish they had done more with it. As well, Nimrod is kind of a wet fart of a villain considering how much they put into his "I'm evil" atsmophere (that voice). He just seems to wonder into Project: Twilight, and never seems to do much except explain where the virus came from. Then in Project: Lazarus, the 7th Doctor just sort of walks into the Forge base and it never feels like Nimrod can really do anything to him? Nimrod feels like he should be more of big deal, but he's just kind of...there. Tonight's audio is The Song of Megaptera, it was a fun story. In the interviews Pat Mills just sounds really pleased that his space whale story finally got made after all these years. Hearing Nicola Byrant's real accent is a real sense of whiplash. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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Apr 21, 2021 22:43
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Just FYI this is why the Romans used the technique of damnatio memorae, because now you're making me really curious about just how loving bad Nekromanteia is and I think I'm going to listen to it.
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Apr 21, 2021 23:02
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I always hated the Forge and particularly Nimrod so much, they were the worst kind of writing where they're only dangerous and menacing and successful because they writer has people saying they are, rather than through anything they accomplish themselves. Which is kind of why I love that halfway through the last Nimrod story I heard, the 7th Doctor just shows up and he really has zero time for this dumb rear end in a top hat who thinks he's a master manipulator, and just casually dismantles his entire life's work, his facility and his stupid loving organisation with absolutely no effort.  CommonShore posted:Just FYI this is why the Romans used the technique of damnatio memorae, because now you're making me really curious about just how loving bad Nekromanteia is and I think I'm going to listen to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwVG3XuOU5g
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Apr 21, 2021 23:47
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The Forge/Nimrod always felt like a villain out of a different series altogether, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or something else I don't really care about. The confrontations between him and the Doctor probably fell so flat because they'd deliberately set up the conflicts to be settled by interpersonal violence, only to realize at the last second that that just isn't the Doctor. That's why it's so satisfying to have Seven casually dismiss him, and I do faintly wonder if it was set up as a repudiation of the more violent turn during Six's TV run, but just badly executed.
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Apr 22, 2021 13:42
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Jerusalem posted:I watched the Fury from the Deep animation, it was nice getting to see the "full" thing but sadly the animation didn't even begin to do justice to this marvelous bit of ACT!ing: Wow, the 10th Doctor actually time traveling into old episodes now.
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Apr 22, 2021 13:55
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Dude the end for Donna always kills me and I hope the next Doctor borrows Donnas face like Capaldi did with Vesuvius guy. Also robbed of Lady De Souza because Doctor was in a mopey phase. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Apr 24, 2021 06:15
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Khanstant posted:Also robbed of Lady De Souza because Doctor was in a mopey phase. Spared. What a wretched character. And Michelle Ryan's not the best actress.
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Apr 24, 2021 08:51
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Im gonna split the difference: Ryan's good, but de Souza is a monster. And a Whig. Throw her into the sun.
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Apr 24, 2021 10:06
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Yeah I detested that character and am very glad they never went back to her. Nothing against the actress, it was a very, very badly written character in a very bad episode, and how RTD had all that time to write the special and made something so bad I don't know... especially since the one that followed was Waters of Mars which is so good!
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Apr 24, 2021 14:02
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I've only seen that episode once, but if I recall correctly, they were going for a sort of gentle(wo)man thief thing of thing, a cross between Emma Peel and Catwoman, and it really didn't work. Even the Doctor Who wiki is like "Yeah, Raine was the same idea but better" (speaking of which, some more Raine stories would be nice at some point). I Browsing the wiki and apparently there was an unmade pitch in the Moffat era where the Meddling Monk makes Rasputin listen to the Boney M song and the 12th Doctor has to sort it out, and Matt Berry was going to play the Monk, and that sounds all kinds of amazing. I'm surprised Berry has never guest starred in an episode, he'd fit the show really well.
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Apr 24, 2021 20:01
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OldMemes posted:Browsing the wiki and apparently there was an unmade pitch in the Moffat era where the Meddling Monk makes Rasputin listen to the Boney M song and the 12th Doctor has to sort it out, and Matt Berry was going to play the Monk, and that sounds all kinds of amazing. I'm surprised Berry has never guest starred in an episode, he'd fit the show really well. He'd never do it. It could be anyone in that mask!
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Apr 25, 2021 04:45
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Somehow I get this feeling that Matt Berry would play a character completely straight and deadpan for like the first time in his entire career just to be weird. Writing the above reminded me that Bill Bailey made an appearance in Doctor Who as a generic soldier-type who barely got any lines and was just kind of... there... and now I think my above idea is even stupider than I already thought it was 
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Apr 25, 2021 05:17
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Oh, I survived! I like it when I do that.
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Apr 25, 2021 11:58
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Just finished up The Lone Centurion vol. 1 - thoughts spoilered here: While I really enjoyed "Rory the Roman & Accidental Emperor", I feel like the "point" of the "last centurion" was lost a bit. The Pandorica doesn't even appear until a passing mention in the 3rd story, and at no point is Rory actually spending any time defending and protecting it, nor does he seem particularly fussed about being separated from it. The third story is the one where Rory really gets to come into his own as a character though, rather than just being basically used as comic relief "lol the plastic roman can't die, and he's a fish out of water". I don't regret the purchase, and Arthur Darvill's performance alone was worth the price of admission, but it really just wasn't what I was expecting at all E: All that above being said -- the theme tune they came up with for this spinoff is really fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Z2EXF6aos jivjov fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Apr 25, 2021 17:56
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Well just listened to Mission to Magnus and I'm very confused. The gender politics are weird here. Like, through the story, characters of both genders are like "this gender divide is stupid, let's work together again as one society", but then it ends with a weirdly sexist comedy scene that feels like something out of the 60s, not the 80s. Having a sexist time lord doesn't really make any sense because they've had a 'eh, whatever we get' approach to gender, especially in recent years. The Ice Warriors show up at the end for no real reason and don't do anything, and the logic makes no sense of how their plan is stopped. I think the scenes with the Doctor and his school bully are meant to funny, but they're just strange. At least Sil is a fun over-the-top villain. Leviathan was much better. Currently listening to The Hollows of Time, and there's a bit where Peri gets bored and wanders off, and you can hear her playing with a robot dog in the background as the main characters go on and on and on. Which is a pretty apt metaphor for this story, as I'm not sure what is actually happening. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 25, 2021 20:22
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OldMemes posted:Well just listened to Mission to Magnus and I'm very confused. The gender politics are weird here. Like, through the story, characters of both genders are like "this gender divide is stupid, let's work together again as one society", but then it ends with a weirdly sexist comedy scene that feels like something out of the 60s, not the 80s. Having a sexist time lord doesn't really make any sense because they've had a 'eh, whatever we get' approach to gender, especially in recent years. It's a Phillip Martin script.
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Apr 26, 2021 00:12
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Man, even if you didn't like here, monster seems a bit harsh. I'm classist as hell and didn't see her as any more than baseline evil for her wealth level. The character wasn't the best, kind of like a default DnD Rogue out of the manual with aristocrat background, but The Doctor should have a run with a companion with darker tendencies, especially with how often he does monstery things himself. Speaking of, he chooses to let a species go extinct because he just is entirely unwilling to share resources. Gotta side with the vampire eel aliens here, one city for a whole species? If I was elected Doctor Who this planet would be a lot more diverse.
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Apr 26, 2021 01:18
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What was it about the De Souza character that made her so bad in the eyes of a lot of goons, anyhow? Honest question, I watched that episode literally once, and I think about 15 minutes in or so I got bored and quit paying attention, letting it play in the background while I did something else. I have no desire to revisit it, and I'm sure the character is as bad as the episode was unremarkable, but I honestly don't remember much about her beyond an obvious Lara Croft ripoff/homage (and that she was played by Michelle Ryan, who I view nowadays as a sort of proto-Emilia Clarke, in that she's a very attractive British woman who kept getting these sorts of high-profile roles despite having limited ability as an actor).
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Apr 26, 2021 01:41
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As I've understood it, it's because she's a criminal who commits crimes because she's a bored spoilt rich woman, rather than for some altruistic reason (like raising money to pay for cancer treatment for her grandmother) - and not the kind of person the Doctor would consider companion material. Not that I disagree, but IIRC they were going to introduce a safecracker character as Ace's replacement had they made Season 27. Does anyone know whether this character would have been Lady Christina 20 years early, or would she have had some sympathetic back story?
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Apr 26, 2021 02:13
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Big Finish did some stories with the safecracker character and she's basically an adrenaline junkie IIRC, but fun enough. I don't remember her introduction.
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Apr 26, 2021 02:17
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De Souza (I honestly don't remember her name, she's just always the bad character that Michelle Ryan played) also suffered from that really bad writing thing where the writer explains how clever and cool she is and then she never actually does anything clever and cool. It might have actually been a fun subversion to play off the bit early in the episode where they land on the planet and the Doctor starts to take control only for her to step in and start running things instead.... except like 2 minutes after she declares she's in charge she just follows the Doctor's directions and commands almost entirely for the rest of the episode and just follows along in his wake. She's also guilty of one of my least favorite things in any media: a character wanting to keep some work of art or treasure purely for their own benefit/enjoyment without a single thought about the fact they're selfishly hiding something of cultural, artistic and historical value away from the rest of the world. As somebody else said, if she was stealing it to get it out of private hands or it was some cultural artifact that she wanted to return to its own country/people/group that would be one thing, but she's literally just bored and decided she wants the priceless thing for herself. The Doctor helping her escape punishment for that AND gifting her with a flying bus to presumably commit MORE crimes with was.... ugh. It's one of the things I really hate about Dust Breeding, mentioned a page or two back, where the Doctor reveals he just casually keeps "lost" artwork for his own personal gallery in the TARDIS that he rarely ever visits or pays any attention to. Please stop doing that in stories, writers, it's bad and I don't like it!
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Apr 26, 2021 03:22
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Jerusalem posted:It's one of the things I really hate about Dust Breeding, mentioned a page or two back, where the Doctor reveals he just casually keeps "lost" artwork for his own personal gallery in the TARDIS that he rarely ever visits or pays any attention to. Please stop doing that in stories, writers, it's bad and I don't like it! I'm not a fan of the Web of Time stuff either, but once you start pulling on one strand of that argument, then a lot of Who begins to fall apart, no?
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Apr 26, 2021 04:14
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https://twitter.com/dwtimefracture/status/1386726962404675590?s=20 Some sort of interactive Who stage play is happening? And from this image it appears John Barrowman and David Bradley might be involved?
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Apr 26, 2021 19:23
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Davros1 posted:https://twitter.com/dwtimefracture/status/1386726962404675590?s=20 It’s an escape room experience, I think. I guess there’s video elements?
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Apr 26, 2021 19:36
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Jerusalem posted:De Souza (I honestly don't remember her name, she's just always the bad character that Michelle Ryan played) also suffered from that really bad writing thing where the writer explains how clever and cool she is and then she never actually does anything clever and cool. It might have actually been a fun subversion to play off the bit early in the episode where they land on the planet and the Doctor starts to take control only for her to step in and start running things instead.... except like 2 minutes after she declares she's in charge she just follows the Doctor's directions and commands almost entirely for the rest of the episode and just follows along in his wake. Goddamn, no offense, but you guys are never going to make the cut with ISIS and it's kind of hilarious to watch happen. Y'all rollin' up to some crappy ancient ungodly ruins and everyone's having a good time, rockin out to nasheed, blowing up temples to Baal, just fun holy warrior stuff -- meanwhile you're kvetching like "b-b-b-but guys the romans built these ruins two thousand years ago there's cultural significance" Look if that poo poo was so significant how come nobody is using it and how come the losers who made it are fuckin dead and moved to somewhere less lovely? She stole a cup, big whoop, I've got like fifty cups, they were just here when I moved in, I'll give one to that museum if they need a replacement cup so goddamn bad. The Doctor irrevocably damaged the drat thing anyway, but also, he could take the sad museum boys to the past to get fresh stuff. All joking a salad, I agree they really didn't do much with the character. I was excited when she assumed leadership, it's nice to see the Doctor not just critical-hit all his charisma rolls, like in Midnight when his normal charisma backfires in a paranoid situation. Instead she basically smiles smugly and eyefucks the doctor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=470qN_j6C9s&t=112s Tempted to watch some ancient Who, at the very least wanna find out why this lady has a swapping face. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKRa06hP6vc Oh man, Will Sasso?!? I didn't even know there was a Doctor Who in the 90s. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 19:47
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I’m sure I remember Christina doing some godawful “well I’m in charge because we’re the ruling class and have been in charge for centuries” type thing but I can’t find it in the script.
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Apr 26, 2021 19:52
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I remember her just assuming leadership by standing up and taking the confident commanding role. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo This guy was a pretty good Doctor the only time I'm seeing him. Just watched a thing about the 7th Doctor. Getting kind of interested in seeing some of these old doctors, I remember falling asleep to vhs copies of them as a kid my stepdad had. I wish Ace would show back up in current Who, a brief look at the wiki shows A Lot Of poo poo went down with her in the extended media stuff but AFAIK the character is still fully alive in the universe and could be brought back whenever. I wonder how large or unwieldy the cast would be if they managed to hire back every living actor to ever play a Doctor or Companion. It's also wild how much of Doctor Who was shaped by busybody people hand-wringing over if the TV shows are going to turn their children into murderous fiends or whatever. Yeah, it's the evil children's tv show, not the pedoparliament Khanstant fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 20:12
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If I understand it right, Ace's canon timeline goes: travel with Doctor on and off, go to Gallifrey and start to become a time lord, then at the start of the Time War, gets her knowledge of Time Lord science removed from her mind and returned to Earth, then gets rich. The Virgin New Adventures are ambiguously canon - some ideas got absorbed and retconned in, but Ace's story diverges. Just listened to The Hollows of Time, and it was confusing. Maybe it's because I've never seen Frontios or because the Master was cut out of the story, but its messy - even Colin Baker says that he didn't understand the plot of this one in the interviews!
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Apr 26, 2021 21:45
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Anything that hints that Ace is anything other than a massive lesbian is not canon, thems the rules. 
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Apr 26, 2021 23:28
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She's obviously bi.
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Apr 27, 2021 00:07
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DoctorWhat posted:She's obviously bi. 
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Apr 27, 2021 00:32
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I remember the "cat burglar companion" thing starting from the idea for a cold open (after Ace's departure) with it being something like where the new companion would break into some office building (I believe in London), find a giant safe built into a wall, crack it open, and find the Seventh Doctor sitting there waiting for her and going "took you long enough" before the opening theme and titles started.
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Apr 27, 2021 00:39
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I remember the "cat burglar companion" thing starting from the idea for a cold open (after Ace's departure) with it being something like where the new companion would break into some office building (I believe in London), find a giant safe built into a wall, crack it open, and find the Seventh Doctor sitting there waiting for her and going "took you long enough" before the opening theme and titles started. They talk about it in the excellent Season 27 article from DWM. 
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Apr 27, 2021 00:49
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Rather missed opportunity for her sexuality given the name. I think Ace is my favourite companion I've never seen an episode for, just hearing about her from Clever Dick's Doctor Who review series. Really figure I should get into the audio dramas, like, my whole TV style is "not physically looking at it most of the time" and the snippets I've heard of the dramas do a good job creating the setting audibly.
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Apr 27, 2021 02:58
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