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Yeah, I started doing real, proper, "go back to primary sources" research for the first time in my life during quarantine and I really fell for it. I'm excited to get back into libraries post-pandemic and dive into sources not available online.
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Libraries are about the only public buildings left that aren't designed to extract money from people. I still prefer physical books to PDFs. And there is nothing like just browsing through the stacks, able to pick up and read/take home anything. Speaking of old references, Dewey Decimal system. I learned it in elementary school, then in middle school the local library installed computers and quit updating their card catalog, so I forgot most of what I knew. Do people still use Rolodexes/rotary card files? I still see 3x5 cards for sale (for what? no idea; haven't used one since high school), so I assume there's still storage inertia.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:47
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We made flash cards out of 3x5 notecards for our kids, and my wife still uses them as an outline/organization tool sometimes. I suspect they’re largely relegated to school speeches and exam “cheat sheets” otherwise.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:53
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gently caress, that's a reference that *I* didn't get until now; of *course* index cards were orginally primarily designed for Dewey decimal style indexing in wooden drawers, I've just never even seen them used that way by regular people.
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Apr 26, 2021 20:57
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Yea flash cards are still needed for a lot of things. I use them to study for my job regularly.
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Apr 26, 2021 21:12
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Anyone know about "that's my motto?" Seems like an old guy thing to say. Like maybe people would learn Latin as part of their expected high class education and part of that whole thing is coming up with a personal motto. Then it became a generic thing you would say, and now no one says it.
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Apr 26, 2021 21:29
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The literal #1 song in the country less than ten years ago was called "The Motto" and featured a motto in it. I doubt that idiom is lost on these kids today
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Apr 26, 2021 21:32
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Kids these days consider Drake to be oldies
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Shrecknet posted:The literal #1 song in the country less than ten years ago was called "The Motto" and featured a motto in it. I doubt that idiom is lost on these kids today yeah i'm not up on stuff that new
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Apr 26, 2021 22:13
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doctorfrog posted:yeah i'm not up on stuff that new SA->Ask/Tell->Tell me about references in newer media lost on goons
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Apr 26, 2021 23:27
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Cobalt-60 posted:Speaking of old references, Dewey Decimal system. I learned it in elementary school, then in middle school the local library installed computers and quit updating their card catalog, so I forgot most of what I knew. DD is dogshit. All the cool libraries use LoC.
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Shrecknet posted:SA->Ask/Tell->Tell me about references in newer media lost on goons The WWE thread when Bad Bunny appeared on Raw.
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From the newspaper comic strip thread, a Far Side cartoon from 1987 that a bunch of goons were too young to get the reference:Professor Wayne posted:The Far Side
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I was taught to use the filing cabinets to look up periodicals in high school.
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Powered Descent posted:From the newspaper comic strip thread, a Far Side cartoon from 1987 that a bunch of goons were too young to get the reference: I can see that - I'd almost expect more goons to know Threepenny Opera than Bobby Darin at this point just through having weird interests and hobbies.
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Apr 27, 2021 02:55
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I've heard the Bobby Darin version of Mack the Knife in a store or two as part of their general music. I'm always like what the gently caress this is a really messed up song about murders. Can't wait to hear uncensored Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit while I'm waiting on my meds at CVS in the 2050's.
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I used to work at a "family" restaurant with an oldies music theme; listening to Elvis, The Doors and Rolling Stones play in the background and remembering back when those used to be dangerous and subversive; now it's PG-rated ambient music. Or back when I learned about jazz in middle school music class; learning that it used to be wild and dangerous and a moral threat was a surprise to us, who associated jazz with NPR; staid white people music. (The lesson left out the biggest reason why jazz got so many moral guardians outraged; it wasn't that it was "new and different," it was that it "encouraged race mixing.")
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Jack B Nimble posted:gently caress, that's a reference that *I* didn't get until now; of *course* index cards were orginally primarily designed for Dewey decimal style indexing in wooden drawers, I've just never even seen them used that way by regular people. Giving me flashbacks to my subject library at university. There was no 'active' librarian, just a big set of wooden drawers full of index cards. To take a book out you had to fill out a carbon copy paper (itself something talked about in here before lol) and file half of it away in the draw. The index cards themselves were all of different vintages. Some of the the older ones were on yellowed card stock with ye olde typewriter face, straight out of the 30s/40s.
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Apr 27, 2021 11:44
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I visited a bonsai show in 2018 that had the cards with the species, cultivar, age, owner, &c. on it, done with a typewriter on a card it had been for eighty years.
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Cobalt-60 posted:I used to work at a "family" restaurant with an oldies music theme; listening to Elvis, The Doors and Rolling Stones play in the background and remembering back when those used to be dangerous and subversive; now it's PG-rated ambient music. I remember hearing Femme Fatal by the Velvet Underground at a Friendly's while driving back from college, which seems very weird. I used to work retail, and here were some of the songs they had in rotation: Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones Stagger Lee by Lloyd Price Enola Gay by OMD (when I'm shopping, I really want to hear a song about a horrible war crime) Luka by Suzanne Vega Someone Saved My Life Tonight by Elton John I'm sure there were a few others, but yeah, some of those were just songs I can't imagine why you would put them into rotation.
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Apr 27, 2021 14:22
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It's weird when Oldies stations change formats. We had one or two 50's radio stations growing up and then one day they were 70's classics. Every 10 or 15 years the number of people still around who remember that music declines enough that they move on to the next decade. Or did. The on-demand nature of media now kind of killed that broadcast format. Now you can just listen to an Apple Music podcast with Huey Lewis talking over all your childhood favorites. Cobalt-60 posted:Do people still use Rolodexes/rotary card files? I still see 3x5 cards for sale (for what? no idea; haven't used one since high school), so I assume there's still storage inertia. Rolodex is still a thing and I have no idea why. https://www.rolodex.com Some old technology still has a certain charm or utility to it, but there is nothing that a Rolodex can do that's easier, cheaper, or more efficient than a digital daily planner. Even if you wanted a paper backup, you wouldn't want it to constantly take up desk space in an expensive spinning card holder. They look cool though. I suspect that's most of their appeal. If I had an office desk and people to impress I'd own a mostly empty Rolodex.
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I see Rolodexs in construction/contractor offices all the time. Someone would have to go through and put it all into a computer and they don't have time or inclination so it's still there from the 70s or 80s, just gets added on to. Old established businesses that aren't computer-based don't care to do the data entry involved in changing that.
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How many Kids These Days know what "Nickelodeon" is a reference to?
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I cant tell you with certainty that they didn't know what a nickelodeon was when the network premiered.
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Cemetry Gator posted:I used to work retail, and here were some of the songs they had in rotation: At least it wasn’t Stagger Lee by Nick Cave
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Fun fact: Stagger Lee is the only song off Murder Ballads that's about a real murder. Though one that had been mythologised for decades beforehand so it's pretty removed from the reality of pimp "Stack/Stag" Lee Shelton shooting his colleague Billy Lyons for stealing his hat during a drunken argument during the Christmas of 1895.
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Cobalt-60 posted:Or back when I learned about jazz in middle school music class; learning that it used to be wild and dangerous and a moral threat was a surprise to us, who associated jazz with NPR; staid white people music. (The lesson left out the biggest reason why jazz got so many moral guardians outraged; it wasn't that it was "new and different," it was that it "encouraged race mixing.") Pat Boone was A Thing because he was white and thus, acceptable to Boomers' parents. His version of Tutti Frutti outcharted Little Richard's, despite being this unforgivably soulless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F68Z0sVVa7s Boone reached #1 by covering Fats Domino's Ain't That a Shame, which he did a pretty decent job on. Neither Domino nor Little Richard claimed to have minded Boone that much. Domino was co-writer of his song and earned a ton of royalties. Little Richard claimed that kids bought both his records and Boone's, putting Boone's on display while secretly listening to his. Boone himself hits a double reference for older media references lost, first for his leeching off Black artists. Secondly, because in a brief moment of clarity, he parodied the hell out of himself with a metal album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjQV3omTRtk Boone's lil' wild streak scared the GOP, who quickly shamed him back into purity.
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Gaius Marius posted:I cant tell you with certainty that they didn't know what a nickelodeon was when the network premiered. i think they had a short that they played once in a while that explained the origin of the name. i'm pretty sure i learned it through nick at some point as a kid, anyway
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JnnyThndrs posted:At least it wasn’t Stagger Lee by Nick Cave Also from Red Hand Files: quote:Is the screeching at the end of ‘Stagger Lee’ due to the fact that when Stag filled Billy Dilly full of lead, he blew his own dick off in the process? After all, Billy Dilly was presumably still slobbering on his head when Stag opened fire. Thanks for taking the time to consider this question. quote:Dear Slim Lee,
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Nick Cave’s a wordy SOB, but I love him for things like that.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:How many Kids These Days know what "Nickelodeon" is a reference to? I saw someone on Reddit, who only knew the TV network, confused by why a movie theater would have that name.
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Home sick from work today, and watching Married With Children season 1 on DVD. Collect Calls. Who the gently caress uses them anymore?
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AmbassadorofSodomy posted:Home sick from work today, and watching Married With Children season 1 on DVD. I used them a couple times in high school, but 1) we had a payphone so that students could call home without needing to go to the office, and 2) it was on the handful of times I didn't have a quarter to use to make the call. I'd be surprised if they didn't still exist, though.
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AmbassadorofSodomy posted:Collect Calls. Who the gently caress uses them anymore? People in prison.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:How many Kids These Days know what "Nickelodeon" is a reference to? When Nickelodeon was still pretty new I was telling my 2nd grade friend that there was an entire channel for kids he didn't believe me because "Nickelodeon was an old type of theater." I got mad because that's just really poor reasoning and we stopped being friends for a while. But I learned what a Nickelodeon was.
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AKA Pseudonym posted:I got mad because that's just really poor reasoning and we stopped being friends for a while. You ended up a goon so it sounds like he got the better end of that deal.
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tinytort posted:I used them a couple times in high school, but 1) we had a payphone so that students could call home without needing to go to the office, and 2) it was on the handful of times I didn't have a quarter to use to make the call. You have a collect call from "bandpracticeisoverpickmeup"
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Imagined posted:I recently tried listening to some of the 50s and 60s British radio comedies that are supposed to have inspired the likes of Monty Python (e.g. The Goon Show) and found that, despite generally not being the sort of person bewildered by accents, I literally couldn't even understand what they were saying between the speed they were talking, the low quality of the original recording, the low bitrate of the files of that, only having the audio to go off of, and then not recognizing what they were parodying or satirizing. You can read the scripts online! http://www.thegoonshow.net/scripts.asp The Goon Show is a curious mix of period-specific (often British-specific) references with timelessly absurd stupid-but-clever wit. quote:GRAMS:
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long distance charges in north america are still a thing that exists, even though phone numbers have no connection to your physical location and haven't since 2004 when number porting was allowed. i can only surmise that they exist primarily to rip off old people who don't know any better 1-900 numbers (and their predecessor the 976 number) are another one of those things that just kind of disappeared around the turn of the century that nobody under 30 likely has any experience with. the idea of paying per-minute for phone calls as a whole is probably something that's totally foreign to kids. even communicating internationally is free as long as you use one of the 9000 voip apps out there The_Franz fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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For years, I had a prepaid long distance keytag. Never used it. I guess I got it in high school because my family didn't have a bag/car phone until a year or two later.
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