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I got stuck for a while on Snyders slightly annoying fondness for "hero is about to die but other hero suddenly makes big dramatic entrance" eg Wonder Woman saving Batman in BvS, Superman getting in front of Steppenwolf's axe, etc. It just happens constantly in these movies! Anyway then I realised that the "at the speed of force" scene at the end of ZSJL serves as a punchline to that whole trope- Barry misses his chance to do a big hero dramatic last-second entrance, so he rewinds the movie so he can get one. So I like it again now 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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I feel like that's a pretty standard superhero thing already.
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Yeah, that's a normal superhero thing. They all do it. Infinity War and Endgame do it constantly, like upwards of 5 or 6 times across both movies.
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The biggest pop in Endgame is literally that trope times the entire MCU lol
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If you can't appreciate a good 'Goku's finally made it' moment I don't know what you're doing watching comic book movies tbh
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So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage?
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? It was great, but for the love of god please don't #restorethesnyderverse because my aging body can't handle 4 hour superhero movies
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smoobles posted:It was great, but for the love of god please don't #restorethesnyderverse because my aging body can't handle 4 hour superhero movies I can only handle binge watching episodic shows because my cat chewed the pause button off my remote.
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Apr 28, 2021 15:03
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? It's great, but i'm biased. Give it a try, see what you think
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? Basically everyone agrees that it's better than the theatrical release, outside a few holdouts it also seems like the Snyder DC film best critically received beyond a few common complaints (Gadot is bad at acting, Leto sucks, the epilogue scenes in general seem to have very mixed reception). It looks great, it has enough levity and optimism to avoid being absurdly dour (but not in that lazy quippy way), and it seems to be the one where everyone really 'gets' the niche Snyder wanted to carve with the DC films. Also it made WB and Whedon look really bad, positives all around. It's wild that even with this gratuitous project to give Snyder complete creative control over his cut of JL, someone at WB (Geoff Johns) still managed to prevent him from adding John Stewart at the end.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I can only handle binge watching episodic shows because my cat chewed the pause button off my remote. the snyder cat
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? It's a good-rear end time. For my money it's the weakest of Snyder's superhero trilogy, but I think I'm in the minority there. Even then, it's hardly a crime to not be as good as Man Of Steel and BvS
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? I loved it. Really, really loved it. It's massive, sprawling, indulgent, but most importantly, it has an awful lot of heart. Like, just speaking personally, it turned up at a time in my life when I really needed it. It's an unabashed defence of faith and hope and solidarity. It has a surprising amount of levity, but it's 100% serious about that.
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Agreed. If there's one thing Marvel "steals", I hope it's the unflinching love for their roots. Mother boxes is such a small simple thing, but the fact that comic book writer Joss whedon thought the name sounded dumb and needed to be changed to an oedipal manifestation is an indictment on the current state of movie cape poo poo. And also that they stop going for the cheap quip to break tension for more than just phase finales. Movies need tension that carries for more than an act break to be impactful beyond the next day.
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2house2fly posted:It's a good-rear end time. For my money it's the weakest of Snyder's superhero trilogy, but I think I'm in the minority there. Even then, it's hardly a crime to not be as good as Man Of Steel and BvS I'm in the same boat - I actually like MoS more than BvS, and BvS more than JL, but I'm glad they all got made and only wish we lived in a universe that could deliver a fourth flick wrapping up the whole saga.
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Bisse posted:So what's the final consensus on the Snyder Cut? Great or Garbage or just GAverage? Significantly better than the theatrical cut, but it still could have used someone to tell Snyder to trim up a few pieces, in particular the epilogue. There could have been a 3 hr 20-30 min cut of this film that would be  instead its a p good film that still has some irritating flaws, a few of which imo you can't escape given the construction of the series.
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I like it the least out of Snyder’s trilogy but it’s still good and I feel like it should be the baseline for how these superhero team-up movies work. No character feels underdeveloped or useless, every member of the League is a full character in their own right with their own arc. If it means every team-up movie needs to be 4 hours, I’d prefer that approach than doing some lovely wink-nudge self-awareness of how dumb of a character Hawkeye is.
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Just waiting on the Joker/Batman Rashomon movie where they're bitching at each other like a married couple.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Just waiting on the Joker/Batman Rashomon movie where they're bitching at each other like a married couple. Would you settle on a story where Joker takes care of a baby Batman?
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Significantly better than the theatrical cut, but it still could have used someone to tell Snyder to trim up a few pieces, in particular the epilogue. There could have been a 3 hr 20-30 min cut of this film that would be Building on this, but it is very much "Zack Snyder's Justice League the extended home release edition" where every single scene and every but of self indulgence is added back in as a matter of principle. I honestly think the movie is still extremely tight outside of a few scenes (the aforementioned epilogue as well as the in movie scene of the Martian Manhunter specifically) and it is definitely the most "crowd pleasing" of Snyder's trilogy. Honestly if you consider the movie to be over once the words "Epilogue" appear on screen it is an extremely solid movie, the epilogue is a bunch of bonus, expanded, post-credits-esque scenes that aren't really necessary to the movie proper.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Would you settle on a story where Joker takes care of a baby Batman? Three Jokers and a Baby (the baby is batman)
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Ferrinus posted:I'm in the same boat - I actually like MoS more than BvS, and BvS more than JL, but I'm glad they all got made and only wish we lived in a universe that could deliver a fourth flick wrapping up the whole saga. I'm in the same boat, mostly because there is progressively less Superman in each movie.
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Release the moustache cut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxanN85O84
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2house2fly posted:It's a good-rear end time. For my money it's the weakest of Snyder's superhero trilogy, but I think I'm in the minority there. Even then, it's hardly a crime to not be as good as Man Of Steel and BvS I think it’s interesting because it’s very much not a continuation of MoS and BVS. Like, the plot lines up and everything, but the “parallel universe” narrative marks a fairly large shift. Instead of a looming apocalypse, we have a more abstract ‘darkness’ that’s already here and just slightly out of view. In keeping with that, the antagonist is almost explicitly just trying to demoralize people before the ‘actual’ prophesied conflict.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Would you settle on a story where Joker takes care of a baby Batman? Oh yeah, absolutely.
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bushisms.txt posted:Agreed. If there's one thing Marvel "steals", I hope it's the unflinching love for their roots. It's funny cause Whedon pushed hard for the awful Cap costume in the first Avengers movie. Whedon isn't embarrassed by dumb cape poo poo, he just has bad taste
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Away all Goats posted:It's funny cause Whedon pushed hard for the awful Cap costume in the first Avengers movie. Whedon isn't embarrassed by dumb cape poo poo, he just has bad taste the best part about that is how the standard defense line was "WELL cap's outfit has always been goofy, how could you possibly make it look good!?!?!?!?" despite that it was both coming off a movie where they'd done a pretty good retro adaptation of it and also how every suibsequent version managed to not look nearly as doofus assed
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Whedon hates triangles and likes circles because they have meaning and triangles don't(citation needed) https://www.firstshowing.net/2012/whedon-calls-iron-mans-triangle-rear end-evolves-back-to-the-circle/ That's the thinking in his dumb brain, he could've just said "Iike the original circle symbol" instead of putting down triangles for no reason.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:the best part about that is how the standard defense line was "WELL cap's outfit has always been goofy, how could you possibly make it look good!?!?!?!?" despite that it was both coming off a movie where they'd done a pretty good retro adaptation of it and also how every suibsequent version managed to not look nearly as doofus assed Even the doofy comic accurate stage show version from First Avenger is significantly better than the Avengers outfit, since at least it doesn’t turn him into a bobble head. Every one of the later costumes is an improved iteration of the First Avenger combat outfit and follows two basic rules that the Avengers outfit fucks up: 1. Make it a darker blue (the dude doesn’t need to be visible in the dark like an emergency worker) and 2. Make the headpiece a modified helmet (and don’t add a bunch of unnecessary bulk to it)
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Miching Mallecho posted:Whedon hates triangles and likes circles because they have meaning and triangles don't(citation needed) No, dude hates triangles. The studio wanted the shield dome in JL to be triangular, but he changed it because "it looks too much like Star Wars".
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Miching Mallecho posted:Whedon hates triangles and likes circles because they have meaning and triangles don't(citation needed) Lol I love this quote:And so I said, 'Great! Then you're going back to the circle because the triangle is rear end.' I'm sorry, but I'm a classicist, the circle has a meaning, the triangle does not." Ouch! But so be it, he seems to hint that there is a reason for it and I'm sure we'll find out in a few months.
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I bet the reason is that Whedon considers triangles to be phallic and circles to be yonic. It's the kind of superficial symbolism that would be on brand for Whedon.
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W-wait, people here like Batman v Superman? Like, for real?
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Why wouldn't I?
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Yup.
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The story of being annoyed by Batman is extremely relatable.
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Bisse posted:W-wait, people here like Batman v Superman? Like, for real? heck yes although personally it's my least favourite of the three
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Bisse posted:W-wait, people here like Batman v Superman? Like, for real? 
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Bisse posted:W-wait, people here like Batman v Superman? Like, for real? More amazing IMO that there are people who don't like BvS. At least the Ultimate Cut, I can see being wtf at that mutilated cut they showed in the theater.
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Man, I love those awful Hobgoblin adverts. Can only assume the beer tastes absolutely vile.
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