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awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug
harrow has a certain (intentional) feeling first read through and it's not super enjoyable, but it holds up well on the reread

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KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Murderbot: did not like Fugitive Telemetry as much as Network Effect. I mean, I liked it, but it was the first Murderbot book that felt like "the next instalment in the continuing adventures of Murderbot", rather than something that was going somewhere. And the cops weren't working for me as a supporting cast. Not enough colour there.

pradmer posted:

Anthony Ryan

So did this guy ever do anything good again, after Blood Song? I remember people hating hard on Queen of Fire.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:


So did this guy ever do anything good again, after Blood Song? I remember people hating hard on Queen of Fire.

I was about to ask the same thing. I don’t remember liking Tower Lord or whatever much but never got the last one for that reason.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

So did this guy ever do anything good again, after Blood Song? I remember people hating hard on Queen of Fire.

Blood song wasn’t even particularly good, so in a sense it is impressive to go downward from that.
Or to put it like this, there was nothing new or interesting in Blood song ie a generic fantasy series.

Also finished A memory called empire a couple of days ago. Someone should have told me it was a sci-fi political version of 24h.

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010
I though it was obvious what was going on in Harrow, though I listened to the excellent audiobook and the voices kind of gave it away.

McCoy Pauley
Mar 2, 2006
Gonna eat so many goddamn crumpets.

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

So did this guy ever do anything good again, after Blood Song? I remember people hating hard on Queen of Fire.

He wrote an unrelated trilogy about dragons and trade that I thought was reasonably enjoyable -- quite a different feel from Blood Song.

Also he recently write a two book series following up on the Blood Song trilogy. It was better than Queen of Fire but not as good as his first book, I thought.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe

packetmantis posted:

Harrow was confusing and lovely. Unlike the end of the first book, which was just lovely.

We have very different opinions about this and that is okay.

Danhenge
Dec 16, 2005

packetmantis posted:

Harrow was confusing and lovely. Unlike the end of the first book, which was just lovely.

I'm legitimately confused about why you'd waste your time with Harrow if that's how you felt about Gideon.

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

90s Cringe Rock posted:

Harrow's hanging out with the Necrolord Prime and thinking about her buddy and cavalier, Ortus, who tragically died at the end of the first book.

okay what the gently caress this is making me more confused why is ortus ahhhh

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

A Proper Uppercut posted:

okay what the gently caress this is making me more confused why is ortus ahhhh
Would you like to hear some poetry? Ahem,

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

tiniestacorn posted:

The Steerswoman by Rosemary Kirstein. If you enjoyed Chambers, I think this'll be right up your alley.

Just started reading this and thus far it is extremely my jam.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Danhenge posted:

I'm legitimately confused about why you'd waste your time with Harrow if that's how you felt about Gideon.

Because now I'm emotionally invested in this poo poo-rear end series thanks to one loving scene in the first book and I hate it and myself.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe

packetmantis posted:

Because now I'm emotionally invested in this poo poo-rear end series thanks to one loving scene in the first book and I hate it and myself.

You have a great gecko av. Digging that gecko.

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013
Thank you!

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

A Proper Uppercut posted:

okay what the gently caress this is making me more confused why is ortus ahhhh

There are convenient flashback chapters to the events of the first book if you need a reminder.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Fighting Trousers posted:

Just started reading this and thus far it is extremely my jam.

Steerswoman is very good indeed and maybe, someday, we'll even get that last book in the series

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009

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pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

ToxicFrog posted:

Steerswoman is very good indeed and maybe, someday, we'll even get that last book in the series

She has parts of the next two books written.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

packetmantis posted:

Because now I'm emotionally invested in this poo poo-rear end series thanks to one loving scene in the first book and I hate it and myself.

it should have been the hyperpotamus scene in the second book

how can you hate anything with that adorable cheerful gecko avatar though, even your hate seems enthusiastic beside it

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

pseudorandom name posted:

She has parts of the next two books written.

That’s been the line for like a decade at this point.


Which sucks because they’re some of my absolute favorite books.

Danhenge
Dec 16, 2005

packetmantis posted:

Because now I'm emotionally invested in this poo poo-rear end series thanks to one loving scene in the first book and I hate it and myself.

Why not just read the wikipedia synopsis or get someone who enjoyed it to describe it to you?

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013
:shrug: Because I'm mentally ill and that doesn't satisfy the compulsion.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I found Gideon and Harrow fairly fun reads but their success probably helped The Unspoken Name get published because it’s also about lesbians and Necromancers (though this time the lesbians aren’t also the necromancers) and I really enjoyed that book. I’m still mad the top Goodreads review for that book is a 2 star rating from someone who didn’t even finish reading it. 😞

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Ccs posted:

I’m still mad the top Goodreads review for that book is a 2 star rating from someone who didn’t even finish reading it. 😞

poo poo, is this the thing that's finally going to get me to make a Goodreads account?

Elijah Snow
Dec 10, 2006

some-something man
I am looking for a book, or series of books, but I don't know the titles in english and I don't remember the author's name. It's about 3 planet colonies connected by wormholes, and they were named after the three wise men. There were some strange egg shaped gems on one or all of them. That's it for the premise, other than that I remember that the cast changed between books.
I was reading in this thread about self hate and sometimes I wake up in sweats in the middle of the night having no idea if that story went anywhere at all. I think I read two of the books 15++ years ago so they can't be much older than that, and I'm not even sure if it was an english speaking author.
There's perks and cons to the library, yeah you'll remember those books forever but you may forget what it was and who the hell wrote it.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Elijah Snow posted:

I am looking for a book, or series of books, but I don't know the titles in english and I don't remember the author's name. It's about 3 planet colonies connected by wormholes, and they were named after the three wise men. There were some strange egg shaped gems on one or all of them. That's it for the premise, other than that I remember that the cast changed between books.
I was reading in this thread about self hate and sometimes I wake up in sweats in the middle of the night having no idea if that story went anywhere at all. I think I read two of the books 15++ years ago so they can't be much older than that, and I'm not even sure if it was an english speaking author.
There's perks and cons to the library, yeah you'll remember those books forever but you may forget what it was and who the hell wrote it.

A bit of googling suggests that Jack L. Chalker is your man.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug
murderbot in a bad mood is one of my favourite things in all of literature. "Balin didn't lift heavy things? Well, gently caress Balin then." made me laugh way harder than it has any right to.
I think dollar per enjoyment-unit the murderbot books are the best value things I buy.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Ccs posted:

I found Gideon and Harrow fairly fun reads but their success probably helped The Unspoken Name get published because it’s also about lesbians and Necromancers (though this time the lesbians aren’t also the necromancers) and I really enjoyed that book. I’m still mad the top Goodreads review for that book is a 2 star rating from someone who didn’t even finish reading it.

I went and looked the goodreads page up because this made me curious and I have been annoyed by that person's reviews before! I remember they were the top review for Gideon the Ninth before it really blew up, and they were really negative about that too so I was motivated to leave a good review. Their reviews are so overwritten and annoying.

quote:

The premise of “queer orc assassins and magical intrigue” had me clamoring to read “the Unspoken Name”, but the novel’s offerings left me unmoved, and about a quarter through the story, that initial cheeriness fell from my face, like a person slipping into sleep. Once my mind started to meander and the boredom glazed my eyes and I had to squint the words into focus, every page feeling like a heavy stone lifted with terrible effort and dropped again and again to the ground, I knew I had to call it a DNF (at 67%).

Relax with the similes!

Anyway, you've pushed The Unspoken Name up my priority list for sure.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

New Super Metis posted:

Relax with the similes!

Anyway, you've pushed The Unspoken Name up my priority list for sure.

Patrick Rothfuss was not a fan, eh?

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Jack Chalker wrote lots of involuntary species body transformation/involuntary gender swap/skeevy sex fiction. Anyone coming across his work in 2021 be triply warned.

On my latest readthrough of frankenstein: the modern promethesus earlier this week, I finally made the connection that the discovered in the woods satchel full of books is essentially "woods-porn". Possibly one of the first appearances of "woods-porn" in english fiction. Paradise Lost, one of the books the Creature mentions reading was pretty much the 17th century version of literary porn.

And to balance out the creepiness posting, the 1993 paper The Coming Technological Singularity by Vernor Vinge provides Intel Corporation a perfect excuse for their repeated failures IF they have the stones to admit it....."We didn't want to kick off the technological singularity, so we've been loving up shrinking our chipsets on purpose".

quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Apr 29, 2021

ClydeFrog
Apr 13, 2007

my body is a temple to an idiot god

New Super Metis posted:

I went and looked the goodreads page up because this made me curious and I have been annoyed by that person's reviews before! I remember they were the top review for Gideon the Ninth before it really blew up, and they were really negative about that too so I was motivated to leave a good review. Their reviews are so overwritten and annoying.

quote:
The premise of “queer orc assassins and magical intrigue” had me clamoring to read “the Unspoken Name”, but the novel’s offerings left me unmoved, and about a quarter through the story, that initial cheeriness fell from my face, like a person slipping into sleep. Once my mind started to meander and the boredom glazed my eyes and I had to squint the words into focus, every page feeling like a heavy stone lifted with terrible effort and dropped again and again to the ground, I knew I had to call it a DNF (at 67%).

Relax with the similes!

Anyway, you've pushed The Unspoken Name up my priority list for sure.

That person's review could be the poster child for frustrated, jealous authors inflicting their terribad prose on actual published writers.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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quantumfoam posted:

On my latest readthrough of frankenstein: the modern promethesus earlier this week, I finally made the connection that the discovered in the woods satchel full of books is essentially "woods-porn". Possibly one of the first appearances of "woods-porn" in english fiction. Paradise Lost, one of the books the Creature mentions reading was pretty much the 17th century version of literary porn.

I, too, learned to read from woods porn, which is why every other word I say is "gently caress".

I'm with Steve King on that scene. Ain't nobody self-teaching literacy with Paradise Lost and The Sorrows of Werther as primers.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




90s Cringe Rock posted:

Would you like to hear some poetry? Ahem,

*clears throat*

The last one of those was so, so amazing

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Jedit posted:

I, too, learned to read from woods porn, which is why every other word I say is "gently caress".

I'm with Steve King on that scene. Ain't nobody self-teaching literacy with Paradise Lost and The Sorrows of Werther as primers.

To be fair, the Monster was built using parts (presumably including a brain) from corpses. Arguably a lot of what he "learned" was actually "remembering."

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


New Super Metis posted:

Anyway, you've pushed The Unspoken Name up my priority list for sure.

It's a good book! I have a lot of issues with the broad critiques people make of it, since that review is hardly the only 2 star review. This might contain spoilers so maybe don't read it yet, but for the people who have the biggest critique is probably that Csorwe is underwritten, but she reminded me a lot of Logen from The Blade Itself. Someone who is good at violence and follows along with a wizard's plan because she's at an aimless place in her life and allying to power seems like a good idea. Then she gradually discovers a greater purpose that puts her at odds with her previous benefactor. But everyone complains about how she doesn't have enough feelings, that she needs to be getting in touch with her emotions all the time to be relatable. No one has problems with stoic characters when they're men, why does she need to be reflecting on her feelings when she's trained herself to be a hardened fighter? She does at a few points but apparently that's not enough for these readers.

Also people complain that it feels like a trilogy squeezed into one book but that was refreshing, I didn't need 1000 pages of Csorwe skill acquisition or to read about her time with the mercenaries who never play a part in the actual heart of the story. Maybe that's why wannabe-Rothfuss reviewer disliked it, they'd probably have enjoyed 1000 pages of training among some stereotypical tribe where Csorwe can sleep with some ladies and get in touch with her feelings.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
During the initial #DisneyMustPay campaign, SFWA proposed a hypothetical situation based on Disney’s position that they had purchased the rights but not the obligations to Mr. Foster’s work. In this scenario, Company A might sell a property to their sister Company B to get out of paying royalties.

This situation is no longer hypothetical. Fox had licensed the comics rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer to Dark Horse. After Disney purchased Fox, they withdrew those rights from Dark Horse and granted them to Boom! Comics. When one Buffy author contacted Boom! about missing royalties, they were told that “royalties don’t transfer.”

Disney is one of the owners of Boom! Comics.

lol

death to the mouse

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

How tf is that legal

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Doctor Jeep posted:

How tf is that legal
its not lol

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
when the story first hit they were trying to get people to sign NDAs to hear the legal explanation

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

TSR pulled the same tactics as 2020 Disney back in the 1980s & 1990s with their book publishing line. Which explains why the Deathgate & the Darksword & the Star of the Guardians & the Rose of the Prophet series exist.

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