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StashAugustine posted:This map honestly surprises me that the US would see an increase in median income well it says wealth, not income, and there's tons of people in the US with negative wealth which can reach a much higher magnitude than negative wealth in countries where positive wealth is very low but who knows how those numbers were actually generated e: also, doesn't it just say "average" which usually means mean
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Yeah both of those maps are weird, also the Russian and Chinese data don’t make sense either. I get the broad concept but the actual country by country data doesn’t really make sense. As far as the US goes, I don’t really see the point of a US socialist-Marxist org that isn’t primarily critical of the US foreign policy at this point. If a socialist revolution occurred in the US, does it matter for most of the world if the US’s relationship with the US doesn’t change? Rather than simply imperialism as a broad concept, it really depends on the country by country policy takes at this point.
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yeah i think in practice actual marxists in the US have to adopt a policy of revolutionary defeatism where they see their principal task as sabotaging the US war machine. i wouldn't even say that this is difficult because selfish first world labor aristocrats won't be willing to give up their stolen wealth - that's super abstract and i don't get the feeling like a lot of people feel like they're getting to share in the spoils of plunder regardless - but rather because the actual gears of the us foreign policy machine seem unreachably remote and unrelated to more immediate concerns as i've said before, i think the police and prison system are the current target of opportunity for the US left, and if we can set our sights on them we can also start talking about how US police get trained in israeli riot suppression and stuff like that
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Lasting Damage posted:man, nobody wants to read this bullshit what are you talking about it’s fascinating that he never ever stops, to me
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apropos to nothing posted:"You can have revolutionaries both wise and ignorant, intelligent or mediocre. But you can't have revolutionaries who lack the willingness to smash obstacles, who lack devotion and the spirit of sacrifice." “ignorant,” huh? I think we all know what word Trotsky wanted to use...
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a Loving Dog posted:it’s fascinating that he never ever stops, to me Brevity is the soul of wit. Therefore, in this essay I will explore
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imho ferrinus made good arguments against saying slurs in the communism thread and i don't understand why it's so important to a small but loud contingent of posters here that a dumbass be allowed to angrily shout the r-word itt
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ah we were all wondering what dustcat thinks about ferrinus. we were all just talking about how cool it would be to know that
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Dustcat posted:imho ferrinus made good arguments against saying slurs in the communism thread and i don't understand why it's so important to a small but loud contingent of posters here that a dumbass be allowed to angrily shout the r-word itt you should write an article about it
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StashAugustine posted:This map honestly surprises me that the US would see an increase in median income the entirety of oakland from the bay to 1/4 of a mile inland is a giant homeless encampment
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a Loving Dog posted:ah we were all wondering what dustcat thinks about ferrinus. we were all just talking about how cool it would be to know that who's "we" in this scenario
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Dustcat posted:who's "we" in this scenario literally no one
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Dustcat posted:who's "we" in this scenario everyone who loves to see your posts, as rask said above
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I will take my L and bow out of this thread until the next time Larry gets probated for posting the word in it
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here are some excellent posts from first page, those halcyon days when posters did the communism thread right DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Hell yeah, thanks for making this thread. PSL is legit. Think they're gonna get my vote and my donations this year.
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Homeless Friend posted:Brevity is the soul of wit. Therefore, in this essay I will explore Lol at the avatar
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How about reading recommendations but on attempting to synthesize the striving towards the utopian vision of society in a world of climate disruption & displacement, which is forthcoming at some date in the future. These two subjects seem to stay strangely stay about a mile away from each other, or just give vague goals. Let us save the souls of our C-SPAM doomer legion.
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no readings come immediately to mind but i have seen anarchists take the position that the oncoming global warming-based end of civilization means that at this point there's no point in thinking about building a vanguard party, seizing power, etc and instead the strategy should be to develop resilient enough mutual aid networks to weather the collapse. however, i don't actually think some sort of arcology-studied climate dystopia constitutes the end of capitalism and class struggle as such
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seems like the best plan is massive geo-engineering projects to reduce climate change while retooling power generation away from fossil fuels. not entirely sure what you're asking for tho.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seems like the best plan is massive geo-engineering projects to reduce climate change while retooling power generation away from fossil fuels. not entirely sure what you're asking for tho. lol e: i'm sorry i'm going now
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Dustcat posted:lol massive carbon capture is the only thing thats going to prevent mega-deaths in the coming decades if we got started on them 5 years ago
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Raskolnikov38 posted:massive carbon capture is the only thing thats going to prevent mega-deaths in the coming decades if we got started on them 5 years ago Things are hopeless... We're doomed
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seems like the best plan is massive geo-engineering projects to reduce climate change while retooling power generation away from fossil fuels. not entirely sure what you're asking for tho. imo when ppl talk about revolution, socialism yada yada this is a means to an end which is livin la vida loca, but also it was conceived of in a very specific time period/material reality. An idea of what/how a lever will move history, I guess. Now, it's not like climate change is an on/off flip, as climate disruption can be both fantastical and very slow in its grind so its not like climate reality necessarily means our relations. it's also not like capitalist solutions won't ablate some of this either but we're definitely looking at a future/timeline we're we don't quite know what will look like concretely and is without precedent. idk, just a vague idea. It seems to me that any idea of changing class relations has to come to grips with doing so while under climate duress as it's just a haymaker coming at your face whether you like it or not. apparently some meganerd made a big ecosocialist reading list (monthly review apparently has a fuckton of these books) so i pirated them all. can't even post files like a fuken adult on SA smdh
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i dunno i think we've missed the boat if we're still do "organizing" as the sky burns
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Just go to the climate change thread if you want to have an nihilist j/o sesh
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i dunno i think we've missed the boat if we're still do "organizing" as the sky burns the sky is already burning, the boat has left the port imo repurpose starlink hardware to instead deploy a megaswarm of parasol satellites to L1 to give us a few decades and hope we can get the carbon levels under control. basically the strategy they used in Futurama
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Homeless Friend posted:How about reading recommendations but on attempting to synthesize the striving towards the utopian vision of society in a world of climate disruption & displacement, which is forthcoming at some date in the future. These two subjects seem to stay strangely stay about a mile away from each other, or just give vague goals. Let us save the souls of our C-SPAM doomer legion. I’ve heard good things about ministry for the future
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Centrist Committee posted:I’ve heard good things about ministry for the future it’s very depressing and I stalled out halfway through, although what I’ve read so far is also entertaining and interesting. plan to finish it this weekend but the scenario KSR portrays is that paying off corporations to not kill us is the only workable strategy
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seems like the best plan is massive geo-engineering projects to reduce climate change while retooling power generation away from fossil fuels. not entirely sure what you're asking for tho. geoengineering in the hands of capital-dominated nation states who are all competing against each other sounds terrifying
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Finicums Wake posted:geoengineering in the hands of capital-dominated nation states who are all competing against each other sounds terrifying this is why we should do it in space where it’s simple and easily reversible
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more present day organizing should really hammer home the “kill the capitalists before they kill us” point imo
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Impermanent posted:Just go to the climate change thread if you want to have an nihilist j/o sesh imo it is precisely this attitude is why you get a nihilist thread, ironically. Putting reality beyond the materialist theory thread, leaving the most depressed goons to dominate. the thread dialectic....
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has anyone itt read ernest bloch? i hear he wrote a solid series of books on utopianism ans marxism, but have never talked to anyone who has read him lol. anyway, he might be someone to turn to if you're looking for anti-doomer marxist poo poo
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i dunno i think we've missed the boat if we're still do "organizing" as the sky burns https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity the ruling class is thinking about it Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?” The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down. This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed in time.
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Please do not think about the event
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Squizzle posted:found the trot its u
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Raskolnikov38 posted:more present day organizing should really hammer home the “kill the capitalists before they kill us” point imo I would say geopolitical competition is both the thing to bring humanity to the brink and also possibly save it. Basically things have to get so bad in out competition with China, we would have to cooperate to the extent of avoiding outright extinction. (If only they may last longer in their bunkers than the us in ours.) A game that would be pretty spot on for the future of humanity is probably Deserts of Kharak. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Ferrinus posted:the ruling class is thinking about it weird rich psychos dreaming up scenarios where they're compelled to make more naked the chains that bind is not new. The fear existed and assumes new forms. This is the 1% psycho version of making your routine restaurant the "eat local" place. Homeless Friend posted:imo it is precisely this attitude is why you get a nihilist thread, ironically. Putting reality beyond the materialist theory thread, leaving the most depressed goons to dominate. the thread dialectic.... two years ago i got deep into the climate change thread and went into a months long depressive break that I'm still feeling the effects of, even after doing a fuckload of independent research and talking to a bunch of climatologists and finding that the majority of the posters in that thread are deeply unwell to the point of exaggerating for the worst even in the face of a massively dark and complex situation. The problem with internet leftists is that materialism unlocks a methodology for being correct about things few others are willing to acknowledge. Like any group of people with specialized knowledge (doctors, programmers, engineers) they immediately assume this new found power applies cross-discipline, and indeed in every facet of life and society. But you only know what you study.
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Homeless Friend posted:imo it is precisely this attitude is why you get a nihilist thread, ironically. Putting reality beyond the materialist theory thread, leaving the most depressed goons to dominate. the thread dialectic.... i guess, i think we can all acknowledge that poo poo is pretty hosed while still imagining a positive future, i just don't feel like trying to push back against severely depressed people who lash out if you try to challenge their preconceived notions of what's going to happen
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