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tried using fedora 34 on a surface today. why is tablet mode and linux still such a clownshow? it's weird as hell, you still don't have an actual option of using linux on a tablet without it being android. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/181 "Created 3 years ago"
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osk straight up does not work in xorg either. if you open up e.g. firefox and the osk pops out over, firefox will steal all touch inputs, even if the osk is overlayed. i thought gnome was supposed to be touch focused
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Tankakern posted:osk straight up does not work in xorg either. if you open up e.g. firefox and the osk pops out over, firefox will steal all touch inputs, even if the osk is overlayed. I had a ton of problems with firefox in fedora 34 if installed to the system. Try installing the flatpak verson of firefox. It has played MUCH better at not stealing focus or inputs.
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happened with both chromium and firefox. didn't test that many programs i guess, but it seemed like a generic problem
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hifi posted:drat. computers sounded awful 20 years ago ASK me about having to email the XFree86 maintainers for a source patch to support my obscure Virge graphics card variant and spending literally a day compiling X from scratch so I could go from 640x480 VGA to that sweet sweet high res 1024x768 on my 14" CRT
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https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/854645/334317047842b6c3/quote:A look at the full set of [University of Minnesota] patches reinforces some early impressions, though. First is that almost all of them do address some sort of real (if obscure and hard to hit) problem; there was a justification for writing a patch. While many of these fixes showed a low level of understanding of what the code was doing and thus contained errors, it seems unlikely that any of them were malicious in their intent. lmao
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the way this is starting to smell from the researcher side is that they'd spent years submitting what they (more or less) thought was good patches, then one day they update their tools or review their history, and realize that a lot of what was accepted was pure junk. the depressed thought occurs "will the maintainers *actually* just accept any poo poo we send?", and here we are today
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the way this is starting to smell from the researcher side is that they'd spent years submitting what they (more or less) thought was good patches, then one day they update their tools or review their history, and realize that a lot of what was accepted was pure junk. the depressed thought occurs "will the maintainers *actually* just accept any poo poo we send?", and here we are today I think all linux researchers smell, tbh
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Apr 29, 2021 17:24
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I think all linux researchers smell, tbh
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Apr 29, 2021 17:32
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Tankakern posted:i thought gnome was supposed to be touch focused it was, then they realised that every actual gnome user hated it and nobody ever used it with touch input, so they’ve been slowly walking that back
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Apr 29, 2021 20:14
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Tankakern posted:i thought gnome was supposed to be touch focused everything I find annoying about gnome 40 suddenly makes so much sense.
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Apr 29, 2021 20:20
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the people who fund gnome dev got distracted and bored and refocused efforts elsewhere after it turns out only apple can make a competent tablet and ad-subsidized users were happy with androids
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PipeWire - NixOS Wiki posted:
To achieve the latest and greatest(?) in linux sound, you must first disable sound
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Magissima posted:To achieve the latest and greatest(?) in linux sound, you must first disable sound if you set on a path for sound on linux dig two grqves
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Apr 30, 2021 01:03
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if big buck bunny sits under a tree on Linux does it make a sound?
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Apr 30, 2021 13:45
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Tankakern posted:tried using fedora 34 on a surface today. it's cause the majority of linux programmers react to non-text-based UIs the same way vampires react to sunlight
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Tankakern posted:osk straight up does not work in xorg either. if you open up e.g. firefox and the osk pops out over, firefox will steal all touch inputs, even if the osk is overlayed. fedora is more likely to gently caress your poo poo up several times a year than arch is. lmao.
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mawarannahr posted:fedora is more likely to gently caress your poo poo up several times a year than arch is. lmao. idk i haven't really had any such problems despite having gone out of my way to break things with prerelease software animist posted:it's cause the majority of linux programmers react to non-text-based UIs the same way vampires react to sunlight a good policy imo because most non-text-based UIs these days are electron poo poo
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Apr 30, 2021 19:38
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Sapozhnik posted:idk i haven't really had any such problems despite having gone out of my way to break things with prerelease software I made the mistake of trying to use fedora on my only computer at the time because I thought it would be more reliable than arch, which was doing some annoying thing about printing. turns out systemd-resolved doesn’t play nice with f5vpn, which I had to use for work. you also have to edit configuration files to point to URLs for older versions because a lot of the software is packaged not for whatever version you have installed but something like three versions earlier. and then they just keep changing poo poo every six months in a way you have no control over. LENNART! anyway. electron people are like “this is a godsend for productivity. here’s my implementation of dd. if you don’t like it you probably have some growing up to do.” 
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Sapozhnik posted:a good policy imo because most non-text-based UIs these days are electron poo poo good news, text based uis are also all moving to electron poo poo lmfao
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the entire javascript ecosystem is complete poo poo, but what is making me come around on electron more and more is that like dom+css+media support is actually about as good as we have for flexibly putting properly formatted mostly-text stuff onto screen. and tbqh it is one of those things that are *actually* good for linux, if the usage numbers for a kernel is what you care about.
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mawarannahr posted:fedora is more likely to gently caress your poo poo up several times a year than arch is. lmao. arch is whack nerd trash, fedora is the osx of linuxes
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or should that be….os11
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mawarannahr posted:I made the mistake of trying to use fedora on my only computer at the time because I thought it would be more reliable than arch, which was doing some annoying thing about printing. turns out systemd-resolved doesn’t play nice with f5vpn, which I had to use for work. you also have to edit configuration files to point to URLs for older versions because a lot of the software is packaged not for whatever version you have installed but something like three versions earlier. and then they just keep changing poo poo every six months in a way you have no control over. LENNART! that is a very useful program on windows at least
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i enjoy your mums implementation of DD
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Sapozhnik posted:
behold, a prime specimen of a linux user in their natural environment
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the russians used ncurses, op
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mawarannahr posted:fedora is more likely to gently caress your poo poo up several times a year than arch is. lmao. I never have problems OP, maybe your just bad at linux
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i use fedora on all non-tinker devices i have, and that works just fine. i just got astonished by the poor user experience in gnome (or linux in general) if you try it with a touch device maybe i should try and see if ubuntu touch still works
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Back in 2015 or so I used Gnome 3 on a laptop with a touchscreen. It worked pretty well and I suspect that was more the target device than tablets or convertibles.
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mawarannahr posted:I made the mistake of trying to use fedora on my only computer at the time because I thought it would be more reliable than arch, which was doing some annoying thing about printing. turns out systemd-resolved doesn’t play nice with f5vpn, which I had to use for work. you also have to edit configuration files to point to URLs for older versions because a lot of the software is packaged not for whatever version you have installed but something like three versions earlier. and then they just keep changing poo poo every six months in a way you have no control over. LENNART! balena etcher is awesome and I'm sorry you feel like everyone should learn how to use dd in a way that won't result in shooting themselves in the foot
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etcher is v needs suiting and its biggest win over dd is a tie between "you don't have to write the dd command" and "you get a progress bar without doing dumb poo poo around sigusr or whatever"
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the reason etcher is dumb and bad is that it implies your software lives on an sd card because you're using a raspberry pi lol
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also because it's associated with balena whose product is "we put docker on your raspberry pi so it's easy to use look you can get a shell from a web interface into each and every product and updates are as simple as pushing a git repo with a dockerfile in the root what do you mean sometimes your devices aren't on the internet? why do they exist then?"
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dd has had a live progress bar using status=progress for probably decades by now
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Sapozhnik posted:dd has had a live progress bar using status=progress for probably decades by now i was about to say.. although using a version of dd old enough to drive would be very unix
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infernal machines posted:i was about to say.. thankfully i never have to use dd but this is exactly the experience of using the unix environment on z systems and it's obnoxious
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dd is fine what are you moaning about etcher exemplifies what's wrong with the software development world of today
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Tankakern posted:dd is fine what are you moaning about if only btrfs had an image burning GUI, then you might approve
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