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How is his Patreon looking? Enough for him to continue bothering with this?
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TheHan posted:"Oh gently caress that's right...this comic is about Dominic Deegan" In a better story, I would have read this as a conscious attempt to call the extraordinary value of the older set of protagonists into question, a subversion of the established cliché of nerd superiority. Being that this is not a better story, and knowing mookie's attitude towards the aesthetics of expertise and the actual effort required to accomplish said expertise, I expect snout to be handed a magical ability that allows him to comprehend all of these books instantly. Maybe sunflowerman will give him another seed and that will do it, I don't know.
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Oh wait I think I get what’s going on here, Mookie’s been dealing with imposter syndrome so now Snout has imposter syndrome. Is that it? Is that what we’re doing?
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Apr 30, 2021 23:18
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Might be something simpler like overreacting to even the mildest of criticism
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Apr 30, 2021 23:19
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It's actually getting annoying. Back in the day you could check out the latest deegan strip and laugh at his stupid plot and characters etc. but now he's just performing the world's slowest, most pointless stream of consciousness. At this point it's like watching Trump try and recite Joyce's Ulysses from memory
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Billy Gnosis posted:I'm 99% sure it's so Mookie can say he still makes comics and is a professional artist. To whom I have no idea, certainty not on social media based on his engagement. He can't keep doing his "writing memorable heroes and villains" con panel if he's not an active creator would be my guess.
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May 1, 2021 11:27
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PoptartsNinja posted:He can't keep doing his "writing memorable heroes and villains" con panel if he's not an active creator would be my guess. How to write a memorable villain: Mustache
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May 1, 2021 12:13
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super sweet best pal posted:How to write a memorable villain: Don't give anyone names, force the reader to remember every super interesting character's defining Witchhat Prude Balding McMulletfister Smuggo Klingonbeard Tree
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Two Thief or not Two Thief: Part 3 So yeah the big hits for this gang of hardened criminals is a library, and a big rock giant they didn't know was there in the first place. I feel like this is again Mookie's general ignorance showing again. He is unable to write credible criminals because he doesn't really understand how the world works or what they would actually be after. Also an early fetishization of books! Somehow the mere presence of wizards means that the public library, once it is completed, will be full of presumably rare and restricted tomes? Because I guess spellcasters, despite presumably being the people that would covet these books the most, also just give them for free to libraries?  It doesn't really matter, but I do find it funny that in a setting that up until this point has been very strictly medieval tech plus magic, suddenly dynamite is a thing. Again just like with only other thing with Mookie it just makes it hard to take to figure out the stakes when it's super and clear what sort of threat level these thieves even represent. So yes our plan is to break open Rocky like a giant piñata, because I guess they just swallow rubies. It's so contrived. Bumper's character is now entirely just the remorseful hero à la Szark. I find it interesting that in spite of the fact that she is being brought up over and over again, Amelia is essentially a nonentity in terms of her impact in the story here. It matters that Bumper killed a person, and that that person was close to the Deegans, but the specifics about why it was tragic that Amelia's life ended our wholly left out. She's just a MacGuffin at this point, her existence a prop for Bumper's conversion to protagonist. There's also I feel some weak characterization here on Mookie's part, because urban Eddie has a level of familiarity with Bumper that doesn't make any sense. Let's assume that stun for whatever reason told Urban Eddie about Amelia, and why Bumper killed her. How does urban Eddie know exactly what to say to this duty just met to shut him down? There's obviously a ton of different ways Bumper could have reacted to that statement, especially because the circumstances under which he killed Amelia were extreme. But because Mookie knows where Bumper's head space is at, all the characters know. Also puns for evil, this can only mean that they are jocks!  And guess what, it's confirmed that Urban Eddie is a jock! Look at him use gay slurs! What a vile person! It was a totally necessary thing to include!  The stakes would be a lot more interesting if it wasn't almost immediately obvious to anyone who's been reading this comic that this gang of thugs pose is absolutely no threat to the army of spellcaster's on the good guy's side. There's no logic to what Stunt says either. Taking out Rocky is apparently just about the gems is not about taking out the biggest threat, which it's not clear why Rocky would be anyway. Urban Eddie's plan in no way deals with the many dangerous members of the Deegan crew, so it's not really clear why Stunt is so confident that this makes sense as a plan. But again, despite having watched Stunt kill people on multiple occasions, suddenly the thought of murder is just too much for poor Bumper.  This is a bit of a veil on Mookie's part because I don't think the art conveys the sort of menacing feeling I think he's going for in that bottom panel. Also shout out to Stunt with scar, displaying how truly samey Mookie's art style is. Oh that Greg, getting more nails and into his skull.  And here's where the Looney Tunes hijinks starts. Mookie's desire to put jokes into his comic undercuts any sort of danger or drama that this otherwise apparently character driven arc was trying to build to.  See, look how contrived this is! With literally no explanation for how it's possible, Rocky is already covered in dynamite, in a way that feels literally like Wile E. Coyote did it. Are the thieves that good, are they clever enough that may be they pose a threat?  Of course not! The problem is solved within one strip of it being introduced, with the jokey solution that saves everyone and loses the heroes nothing. Turns out urban Eddie's master plan was pretty stupid!  And again the drama starts up immediately, as if everything that just happened wasn't incredibly stupid and trite. and Bumper has a point! How exactly are any of these people master criminals researching and casing the town if they didn't know the danger that Luna posed?  Mookie relies on the laziest criminal trope to show that urban Eddie is superduper evil. Again, comes out of nowhere and doesn't really mess with anything else we've heard or seen so far. For some reason they know that Garrit used to be a slaughterball player, again just everyone knows everything. So the new plan is for Bumper to be their inside man. I think this is a point in the comic where you can start seeing Mookie writing less in advance than in previous points. Because the plan and motivation for the villains basically jumps with every strip as Mookie comes up with new twist in how the story can go. It feels really unsatisfying because you aren't seeing a mastermind criminal antagonist, and since urban Eddie and gang don't have magic powers, that is the only way they could actually be a threat.  Here Mookie's marriage to the eight panel newspaper strip format is really strange. I don't think this looks good at all and all of this wordy recapping is entirely useless.  I really don't understand how in a village that was not that big, and has only recently been rebuilt, no one noticed the new people in town. Despite everything established about Barthes up to this point in the comic, at this point it might as well be New York City in terms of how they are treating it. Mookie also obviously tried to up the stakes a little here, by having Pam asked her incredibly powerful magical allies to stand down for no reason other than pride. Also it's time for lunisolar character trait to come roaring back in again!  Literally that's all it takes for the router to fall down into the self hatred again. But it gives Mookie's a chance to fawn on how awesome his waifu is, which is the real reason he does this now. Luna and keeping and secure sadsack who needs Dominic, but Mookie can also fantasize about how he totally loves his supersmart girlfriend for her mind.  Why even bother communicating that right away? I don't know why but this whole strip bothers me a lot. It feels entirely superfluous to the story. We don't need to see these things happening to get that bumper is a spy for the bad guys now. Mookie loves telling and not showing, but sometimes he shows when he really just didn't need to show or tell at all. As it is just again feels more contrived, with urban Eddie's gang apparently having come out of hiding purely to go sneak under the window where they know bumper is right now somehow?  Again, just straight up New York, or really any big city, but the point is that this small rural village is apparently going to have a protection racket set up that the authorities aren't going to notice? This is another case in Mookie's cargo cult approach to writing. Mookie knows what roughly should be in a mob story, but not the specifics of how any of those things would work, either in a narrative or in real life. Urban Eddie's plans and motivation make no sense, because he is just a lazy pastiche of all criminal elements that Mookie has seen in different stories, even though some of these tropes are contradictory.  Again, how is this long-term planning? So they make off with protection money once before the magic police come down on them? It literally makes no sense!  See! The protagonists literally talk to the shopkeepers immediately afterwards, so now they know urban Eddie is a threat! Mookie sucks at coming up with names, and why does bumper know the rough family composition of everyone in town? Also how does knowing that change anything for urban Eddie's plan. I never realized how much this arc was really just Mookie cannibalizing every crime story trope he could think of, just throwing it all in together even though the pieces and fit. I actually struggled to make comments for this part because urban Eddie seems so incoherent in terms of what his goals and motivations are beyond generic "crime".
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Pretty powerful enemies for our heroes if they can put like 12 lit sticks of dynamite on an elemental with Luna being right there. Also I thought elementals just don't speak, not that they're dumb automatons. Why didn't this one stop them from doing it?
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I went back to check and near the very beginning of the dryad story arc Dominic is unconscious on the ground and Stunt's like "I'm gonna stab him in the face" and Bumper replies "Yeah that sounds awesome" so yeah, Bumper suddenly being all "But murder is bad!" is really weird and just so he can do a heel face turn like you've said. Urban Eddie having constant changing plans of what crimes he's going to commit I think is supposed to be him trying to do what Stunt wanted, to turn Barthis into a thieves' den to show Pam "We rule and are better than you and you can't stop us" but you're not wrong that it's just Mookie throwing "professional criminal" tropes at the character in a way that doesn't make sense. For example one of the first things Eddie says he's going to do is smuggle goods out of Barthis into the cities. There's two ways to do that, one is to stay out of the eye of law enforcement, be inconspicuous, but that doesn't work because he's making himself very well known in the town for trying to run a protection racket. The second is to bribe the police and politicians in the city to look the other way (Capone did this), but he can't do that either because he's trying to antagonize the authorities to show "You can't stop us." Mookie actually did do a good job of showing why Urban Eddie's attempts to run a protection racket didn't work though, protection rackets generally only happen in areas where there's no real law enforcement (or it's corrupt/unreliable) or the mark is dealing in illegal goods (which is why they can't just go to the authorities for help). Since Barthis has been rebuilt and Pam has apparently done a pretty good job of creating a strong law enforcement presence (at the very least, that one dude says "This town has all the protection it needs"), and Eddie is just harassing normal businesses and not black market dealers, it's no wonder they all told him to gently caress off. And, as Stunt even pointed out, the entire town now knows him, they've all gone to the authorities, and the authorities are wise to his game so now they're going to be on the lookout for him. Which that might even make sense since he wants to show how powerful he is and that he's stronger than the authorities...except he apparently knows he can't stand up to the cops, which is why he needs Stunt to provide a distraction. But even if the distraction worked, they'd still know who he was, they'd still be on the lookout for him, and he wouldn't be able to keep running his protection racket or his smuggling operation, so rather than being the super cool crime boss who strolls through town untouchable he'd basically be forced to hide from the authorities out of fear of being capture. Since again, if he could stand up to the cops, he wouldn't need Stunt to distract them. The whole thing makes no sense.
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May 2, 2021 09:34
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He's Giovanni from Pokemon, if he succeeds at intimidating four specific shopkeepers an army of goons will materialize out of thin air and he'll "conquer" the town. 
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May 2, 2021 12:33
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At least Giovanni's giant rock monster(s) was on HIS side, and capable of actually fighting back when someone tried to explode them.
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May 2, 2021 13:52
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It’s pretty interesting to see how a lotta the issues with this story show up in Star Power years later. You got the villain with a nonsensical, constantly shifting master plan and heroes they pose no threat to since they’re for all intents and purposes a regular guy. Meanwhile the heroes are unstoppable gods with the government and cops on their side.
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May 2, 2021 14:31
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 Nice lack of scene transition there, making it feel like Snout was pouting and sulking with the Sunflower standing just off screen. Also, I know it won't happen, but the way that tentacle is coming out makes me want this to turn into some type of horticultural The Thing.
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May 3, 2021 05:50
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May 3, 2021 06:06
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Man remember when Snout grabbed that guy and his skin tore clean off. Good times.
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May 3, 2021 06:32
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That guy's soul is in that flower or something isn't it
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Honestly, you'd think he would be looking up at the vine, since that's presumably the part that's moving. Also, he wouldn't look so loving gormless (although I've long since given up on expecting any sort of proper expressions from this loving comic).
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Beelzebufo posted:I don't think there's any author with less of a theory of storytelling that Mookie has. Not to disparage fanfiction or amateur authors, but if you approach writing as a professional craft, then thematic significance and editing to only leave relevant details in are important. A lot of amateur writers treat stories as if they're just a sequence of events that happen, without any purpose or direction to what is being told and what is being omitted. This is bad writing and you can grow out of it, but even this type of writing can have its own charm and be fine if you'll take it for more than what it is. But even on the level of bad fanfiction, Mookie's writing is bad. It's like he literally forgets within one or two days the plot points he establishes. The legacy of Dominic Deegan is an experimental fiction from the point of view of someone with long term memory loss. Nothing about where Snout is now or what he is doing makes any sense from where things were previously. Hell, why did Arudak and the ink witch even bother bringing them here if they didn't have any reason to? Wasn't the whole point that they all needed that book, because otherwise why would Arudak have been in the monster porn store? The Shrieking Shack podcast had what I feel is a really good definition and summation of fan fiction; it is amateur writing that is done without any real care or consideration for either artistry or the craft of writing. That’s not to say it is bad or even necessarily worse than conventional writing, just different. Fan fiction begins and usually ends with nothing more than “wouldn’t it be cool/weird/funny/sexy/creepy if X happened to [established IP]?’ It is basically the literary version of a campfire story. Fanfiction operates basically entirely around emotional responses. This is... yeah. I made the joke before but honestly this is the loving opposite of storytelling. The Eye of Argon an Axe Cop are masterpieces compared to this; hell Dominic Deegan was! Deegan was a very dumb and bad story told very badly but it was at least a story! Sort of!
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Beelzebufo posted:Snout was pouting and sulking with the Sunflower standing just off screen. I'm pretty sure this is what's actually happening. We want there to be a scene transition because that would make sense, but that's not how Mookie do.
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each page is so fascinating and unexpected, in that it doesn't at all follow from the previous page i love this comic
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May 3, 2021 11:42
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Mx. posted:each page is so fascinating and unexpected, in that it doesn't at all follow from the previous page It's like a fever dream, except incredibly boring and mundane.
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May 3, 2021 13:28
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My armchair psychology reading is that when the author was young he was consuming a lot of media and everything was new and giving him ideas and the comic was a way to funnel those ideas into something resembling an ongoing narrative. Which, good on him for actually creating something and not just imaginging the ideas or writing notes/drawing sketches forever. However now that he's older that same media doesn't spark the same imagination. Perhaps he doesn't consume it as much or perhaps it doesn't make him think past his own enjoyment, so when it comes to creating things the fuel just isn't there and because it was so easy before and didn't instill a good work ethic or true appreciation for the art of creation he is no longer able to create things the way he once could.
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May 3, 2021 14:10
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Snout is acting like a video game protagonist whose player knows the game saved a few minutes ago, and wants to see the reaction mentioned in the walkthrough.
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Beelzebufo posted:
Among all the other questions this page opens up, one stands out for me: Why are there grapes on Sunflower's tentacle stem thing?
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PoptartsNinja posted:I'm pretty sure this is what's actually happening. Yeah, the only way this remotely makes sense is that despite all previous indication, snout has been just loving...rolling around on the floor of the library while everyone else continues to work, writing his emotions into his diary. Just...god drat flopping around on the ground like a weirdo while every stands a few feet to the right trying to ignore him. Which makes his diary entries make absolutely no sense...he is reflecting on a situation that is happening right now!! He even starts by implying that the day is over ("it's been a strange day..") and he's giving his reflections/summations of these characters who...are apparently still at work? Like, how does Snout know that Veth is nice? Has he been pestering him while he tries to take notes from his boss? Has he been just reading these things over everyone's shoulders? That's the most annoying thing I can imagine...this weird, greasy dog man who keeps wandering around and looking over your shoulder as you're trying to concentrate. Almost certainly, the original intent was that this was all written by snout, sitting on his bed and being sad about how worthless he is. Then Mookie thought of something and just...rolled things back so now Snout is standing right next to everyone again. Another thought bubble here, but once again, snout's head is empty of thought, only images. Because apparently showing letters inside his thought bubbles wouldn't be deaf enough? They've got to be on paper?
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I'm pretty sure I remember that flower being randomly picked in that moment by the random rock Snout placed this guy by, so how could it be relevant to anything?
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It took me a while to even parse the first panel, then I was like "Oh right I guess he's reading his diary right over his head while lying down as one does", and goddamit *comic panels are meant to convey information to the reader* you shouldn't make it this hard to infer the action.
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TheHan posted:I'm pretty sure I remember that flower being randomly picked in that moment by the random rock Snout placed this guy by, so how could it be relevant to anything? Yup TheHan posted:
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Maxwell Lord posted:It took me a while to even parse the first panel, then I was like "Oh right I guess he's reading his diary right over his head while lying down as one does", and goddamit *comic panels are meant to convey information to the reader* you shouldn't make it this hard to infer the action. Even weirder...he's writing in his diary with it right over his head, while lying down. As one does. He's just finished documenting his thoughts and then lays the pages right over his face to rub all that wet ink right into his eyes. With his brush that never needs to be washed or actually dipped in ink (maybe he just rubs it on the ink witch's hat?). Also, clearly a brush for painting and caligraphy, not for actually writing. No wonder he carn hardly fit 10 words on a page. That feels a little nit-picky, but this is also specifically a comic about a character who can't hear or speak and whose only means of communication is writing, so you'd think some thought would be put into the actual limitations and complexities they'd face. Or even that a comic with 'ink' as such a re-occuring visual motif and in-world plot element would give some thought to how ink actually behaves. But, of course not.
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Wwwwwwhy is she still naked? I know why Mookie is having her be naked, but why have none of them bothered to go get her a shirt while they have this research montage?
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Riot Bus posted:Wwwwwwhy is she still naked? Don’t be so clothes minded.
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Riot Bus posted:Wwwwwwhy is she still naked? Given how sad snout is that he can't help, you'd think he'd go fetch something for her while everyone else does their thing. But no, he must write his feelings down in his diary, because if they're not written down then he doesn't have them.
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Because this is an adult comic with boobs and floppy dicks to show how adult it is. Nevermind that clothes have a practical purpose and walking around naked all day isn't a good idea. But Mookie doesn't think of that. He just thinks that because nudity isn't allowed in other comics but it is in his, that it automatically makes his more adult.
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Speaking of boobs, So much of this comic is Mookie patting himself on the back.
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May 5, 2021 13:57
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I guess Snout's flower is killing people.
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