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The Little Kielbasa posted:Please note that all of this is coming from a place of complete ignorance, but it's kind of scary to imagine how the end of GSL will impact the people whose livelihoods depend on it. Tasteless should be fine - he has the voice, personality, and willingness to cast other games. But I wonder how Artosis will fare in a post-GSL world without much televised starcraft. My understanding for BW pros is that almost all their money comes from streaming these days anyhow. Plus the income from whatever they call the little mini tournament matches fans chip in for. It seems to be holding the scene together, I figure you might see more of that for the big SC2 pros as well.
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On Artosis stream: that bald guy creigton (spelling?) reached out to GSL to cast the qualifiers and they said no. I also get the sense from Artosis that GSL isn't going to be around in 2022.
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Mar 10, 2021 04:05
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Saul of the UpATreeZelda stream has been losing his mind about void ray openers for 30 mins now. Hell, I agree.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:07
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Yea my ZvP is a rough place right now. Really loving ZvT and ZvZ is growing on me.
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Mar 10, 2021 22:35
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HSC is always my favorite tournament. Wish they were in person drinking because that adds to the fun, but even online there has still been some good moments.
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Mar 11, 2021 23:46
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Please note that all of this is coming from a place of complete ignorance, but it's kind of scary to imagine how the end of GSL will impact the people whose livelihoods depend on it. Tasteless should be fine - he has the voice, personality, and willingness to cast other games. But I wonder how Artosis will fare in a post-GSL world without much televised starcraft. I have been an avid watcher of competitive SC2 since the beginning of Heart of the Swarm (which, funnily enough, will be 8 years old tomorrow and is also my birthday, though I only recently started playing SC2 more seriously), and I have thought about this so many times. I think streaming is a pretty successful route for some of the fan favorites, but I also think that's just a further extension on what will eventually be a dead game, and all of these players will still be very young when that time does finally come. I don't really know how the military works in SK, maybe they can pursue an education while they do their obligatory service and transition out that way? Not a lot of players have had success at coming back after their military service. It seems like it's pretty much the end of a lot of progamers' careers (as progamers anyway). I think Zest and Stats are the next to go? Protoss is going to be a significantly weaker race at the competitive level after that, although Zoun is an absolute beast. I used to wake up at like 5am in my senior year of high school to watch Proleague before leaving for class, which is insanely nerdy to reflect upon. I can still remember accidentally stumbling onto a major tournament being streamed and seeing a ~40 minute macro game between TY and Flash that culminated in a base trade or something. I remember, being more or less an RTS virgin at that point, going crazy seeing their micro and not being able to believe that a single human was performing all of those actions at that speed until the camera switched to their hands. I just searched for this thread because I was feeling nostalgic about the game and felt like posting my melodrama, but IEM Katowice recently had like ~35K viewers between all their streams at peak hours. That's a reasonably sized community, even if it's not the apex of esports, and I feel like the European scene is sustained pretty strongly by its online tournaments and Twitch culture.
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Mar 12, 2021 02:58
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Even with Blizz pulling the plug, there will be strong independent tournaments for the next few years at least. Hopefully by the time sc2 finishes fizzling away, there will be a replacement. Hell, Brood War still has professional tournaments in Korea 
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Mar 12, 2021 20:17
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Sc2 ladder is still going strong. Never have trouble finding a match. The Shopify CEO has positioned himself as a patron of the pro scene so there will continue to be tournaments. It will be a niche community but that’s how games were before the hyper monetization of competitive gaming/streaming. I think SC2 will do just fine until a replacement comes out whether it be frost king or an indie developer.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:47
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SC2 is the best it's been in a long time since Blizzard gave up trying to run tournaments, and just gave ESL a bag of money to do it. Just need someone with another bag of money when the deal runs out in 1½ years.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:56
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sc2 will persist past the money running out similar to how broodwar currently persists: with players and personalities primarily supported by streaming or other casting gigs. tastosis in particular absolutely will be able to get work casting other esports (and they were casting some valorant tournament at the afreeca studios yesterday even?). notably sc2 can persist on a pretty small relative number of viewers because it monetizes really well given the viewer demos (eg 30-45 comparatively high income means that sc2 youtube content pays out like an order of magnitude more than other games with primarily 16-24 playerbases or w/e). On a serious note, too, I think a lot of the big people in the rts world are kind of maintaining until the upcoming major studio rts projects start coming out and we'll also see a ton of the old big names in bw and sc2 turn up again as competitors in whatever the next big rts ends up being.
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Mar 14, 2021 04:18
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i dont think this thread shold be in retro games imo -_-
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Smythe posted:i dont think this thread shold be in retro games imo -_- Agreed. Legacy of the Void was released November 2015. Co-op was released a few years ago. And the game received major patch updates until a few months ago. There are 10s thousands of players online at any time. The game is really popular since it went free to play (custom, co-op, or ladder). I really, really think this thread should be in the main gaming forum. It would get more traffic from those that might want to pick up the game again or watch a pro tournament.
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Mar 14, 2021 13:11
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laxbro posted:Yea my ZvP is a rough place right now. Really loving ZvT and ZvZ is growing on me. Widow mines in ZvT make me angrier than anything else in the world. They're why I quit shortly after HotS came out. This time, I've gone with a more measured response and have just been playing chill protoss games a-moving carriers around the map for a while. Keeps the blood pressure nice and low.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Widow mines in ZvT make me angrier than anything else in the world. They're why I quit shortly after HotS came out. This time, I've gone with a more measured response and have just been playing chill protoss games a-moving carriers around the map for a while. Keeps the blood pressure nice and low. Yea the huge emphasis on splash damage in SC2 is annoying. Similarly, the over reliance on hard counter units to achieve balance is pretty annoying. The game becomes a bit like "rock, paper, scissors" in that respect. Still a super fun game.
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Mar 15, 2021 18:00
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Unless I'm mistaken, I'm going to have a new GSL to watch when I get off of work tomorrow. PartinG vs Dark next Monday 
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piL posted:Unless I'm mistaken, I'm going to have a new GSL to watch when I get off of work tomorrow. PartinG vs Dark next Monday It's good to be back. I really like this new b05 format. Also excited for the 4player maps returning.
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I loving lost it during Creator vs Maru at 2:45:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1CI8RQFxms&t=9925s
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Mar 26, 2021 06:11
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2021 GSL S1 Code A PartinG vs Dark PartinG no 
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Mar 30, 2021 20:25
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So uh in those Group A matches was TY literally playing in his sleep or what happened there oh well, bunny redemption arc 
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There have been some great series so far. Some absolutely loving awful ones. But some very good games. And some surprises!
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Synastren posted:Some absolutely loving awful ones.
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bump with this classic from GSL season 1. remember GSL season 1? i remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMXoyUqzkw  The Casting Archon  FruitDealer  Liquid Jinro RIP
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Installing a windows HTPC so I could watch the GSL on my big screen TV in my koreatown apartment via the GomPlayer
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That feel when MKP was the first Terran to win the GSL by pioneering marine splitting vs muta ling bane. Insane.
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 Starcraft 2 is the greatest eSport in the world, and Tasteless and Artosis are the greatest casters in history. Bar none.
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Smythe posted:
Truth. GSL spoiler Felt like Rogue was hustling us and turned it on in the end. GGs.
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piL posted:GSL spoiler I feel like the level of play at the top is definitely not as sharp as it used to be. I love the hell out of Rogue, and I don't know if he's leaning so heavily on all ins now because he's not happy with the state of balance and figures cheese gives him the best overall odds of winning vs. T and P or he just finds it easier to play like this, but it's not nearly as impressive as his play during his miracle year of winning Blizzcon and the SuperTournament. I mean it's still SC2 so it's still great and I love it anyway, but I feel like the play among the top dogs generally is not what it was a few years ago. Maybe the scene and the players at the top are a bit stale at the end here and people are mailing it in a bit.
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Zwabu posted:I feel like the level of play at the top is definitely not as sharp as it used to be. I love the hell out of Rogue, and I don't know if he's leaning so heavily on all ins now because he's not happy with the state of balance and figures cheese gives him the best overall odds of winning vs. T and P or he just finds it easier to play like this, but it's not nearly as impressive as his play during his miracle year of winning Blizzcon and the SuperTournament. I think people are just getting a bit sloppier because they have fewer large scale tournaments to play--their practice games are coming from teammates and bests of one (ladder), and so they're getting surprised more often since they have less tournament play time and less quality tape to watch. In a way, it makes the games more exciting and reminds me a bit of early do-weird-poo poo wings of liberty era.
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Maru vs Trap I was looking forward to Trap v Rogue
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Same. Poor Trap; that was an awful collapse.
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Maru with the reverse sweep! Why did Trap try DTs two games in a row? Did he think that Maru would mess up the second time after demolishing the DT build the first time?
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I decided to watch a Mario Bros 3 race recently. I have never felt more privileged with the commentators for SC2 than I did listening to the trainwreck that was that race commentary. It was so painful that I very nearly signed up to cast one of the future races because I likely wouldn't embarrass myself. Wardi & Rotti have been casting a lot of TSL and WTL games. Clem/Serral/Reynor have been on a tear lately, and I'm reasonably convinced that Clem is just below Maru/TY purely because of his god tier tvz.
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Synastren posted:I decided to watch a Mario Bros 3 race recently. I have never felt more privileged with the commentators for SC2 than I did listening to the trainwreck that was that race commentary. It was so painful that I very nearly signed up to cast one of the future races because I likely wouldn't embarrass myself. Even most of the seasoned veterans in other esports originate from sc2. It's a shame sc2 has dwindled a bit from lack of blizzard support. Here's to hoping aoe4, Immortal, or frost giant can respark rts esports. I'm not in the RTS games are dead camp, just enjoy when the games are more populated as a whole.
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I think RTS will stick around because it has several qualities that make it the best game genre to watch in a competitive environment. The one-on-one nature really gives it that distinction, tactical nature, and individual character of the sweet science. It also has a natural visual to tactical relationship that's similar to rugby or American football that just makes the arrangements of shapes of bodies both meaningful and decipherable. I find most esports aren't compelling to watch from a third person perspective--FPSs and MOBA are both better experiences when you follow a single player. Maybe you jump between players based on whoever is doing something exciting at the time, but the field as a whole isn't so fun to watch. I think MOBA's success comes from constantly being engaging during play but being a more social game than RTS. I dont think MOBA is as fun to watch unless you play that MOBA but I'm happy never playing SC2 again and just watching people play it. Kind of like most sports. If someone can find that gap between the two--the social marketability of MOBA (play with people, be a team) and the visual clarity and technicality of RTS or fighting games, I think that'll be the next king of esports.
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I cannot imagine watching a MOBA by following around a single player. If you’re studying that player specifically to try to learn from them, fine, but otherwise that sounds painfully dull, just endless scenes of them walking around the map and/or farming. You’d miss most of what’s happening in the game. What I enjoy watching about SC2 is very different from what I enjoy watching about DOTA. DOTA games have a complex internal storyline from the chaotic interactions of 10 different players with ten very different characters in a changing environment. The story of any given SC2 game is much more straightforward, even when there’s a comeback, and you can really focus on how individual strategic choices or tactical outplays determined the game.
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One thing HotS did well was eliminate farming. Game is constantly centered around both teams jockeying for position to start a fight.
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