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Discussion Quorum posted:Random trivia question that just bubbled into my brain: has the US ever shot down a hostile warplane with a SAM? Have ground/sea-based US anti-air defenses engaged or poo poo down any manned hostile aircraft since Korea? Unconfirmed, but US navy claims it shot down a MiG-17 with a Terrier in Vietnam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C4%90%E1%BB%93ng_H%E1%BB%9Bi
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Discussion Quorum posted:Random trivia question that just bubbled into my brain: has the US ever shot down a hostile warplane with a SAM? Have ground/sea-based US anti-air defenses engaged or poo poo down any manned hostile aircraft since Korea? Just poking around Wikipedia sources and found a USN cruiser shot down a North Vietnamese mig 17 with a terrier in 1972 https://www.eaglespeak.us/2005/03/us-navy-vs-cruise-missiles-battle-off.html?m=1 edit: the navy claimed 2 mig 17s and a cruise missile were downed. Here’s an extremely detailed breakdown of the cruise missile claim which probably was not actually a cruise missile but they certainly fired at some sort of Soviet radar, probably on a missile boat. http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-025.php hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 03:55 on May 1, 2021 |
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May 1, 2021 03:47
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As far as I know, the Army's Air Defense Artillery branch has never shot down a hostile, air breathing, manned threat since becoming a separate branch in 1968.
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May 1, 2021 06:37
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Yeah. USAF got its last hostile manned aircraft kill 22 years ago, IIRC. US ADA as a separate branch has zero manned hostile kills. Air defense has most of its kills in the sense of firing MGs and cannons at ground targets. USN got that one Fitter a few years ago when it flew too close to US ground forces. The other recent US kills have been unmanned aircraft and missiles. And sometimes achieved electronically vs with missiles etc.
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May 1, 2021 06:53
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Not a whole lot going on in Air Defense it seems.
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May 1, 2021 07:48
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Crab Dad posted:Not a whole lot going on in Air Defense it seems. 
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May 1, 2021 07:55
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Still slaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85MDZfZr1ag
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May 1, 2021 08:01
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Crab Dad posted:Not a whole lot going on in Air Defense it seems. There is a whole lot, but that whole lot is largely unmanned and a million times more difficult and complicated than shooting down manned jets and helos. It’s a real fucker. Clubbing some sky knight out of the sky circa 1995 was way easier than dealing with loitering munitions and UAS and cruise missiles and such. Hell, for pilots, defensive counter-air CAPs are often counter-UAS or cruise missile defense rather than keeping manned enemies at bay. Plus, every manned jet out there who thinks they might have to fight air defenses (of the air, land or sea varieties) is learning this neat trick called fire standoff weapons, then run away.
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May 1, 2021 09:52
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mlmp08 posted:There is a whole lot, but that whole lot is largely unmanned and a million times more difficult and complicated than shooting down manned jets and helos. It’s a real fucker. Clubbing some sky knight out of the sky circa 1995 was way easier than dealing with loitering munitions and UAS and cruise missiles and such. Hell, for pilots, defensive counter-air CAPs are often counter-UAS or cruise missile defense rather than keeping manned enemies at bay.
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May 1, 2021 11:07
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mlmp08 posted:There is a whole lot, but that whole lot is largely unmanned and a million times more difficult and complicated than shooting down manned jets and helos. It’s a real fucker. Clubbing some sky knight out of the sky circa 1995 was way easier than dealing with loitering munitions and UAS and cruise missiles and such. Hell, for pilots, defensive counter-air CAPs are often counter-UAS or cruise missile defense rather than keeping manned enemies at bay.
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May 1, 2021 12:59
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standard.deviant posted:It feels like this isn’t a new thing, either. The whole Backfire raid sequence in Red Storm Rising was mostly about interceptors and fleet air defense trying to shoot down inbound cruise missiles. In the same book the Soviet field commander asks why their air defense isn't shooting down as many aircraft as they *should* be and gets  ed that, if they're *lucky*, Soviet AD personnel gets to live fire practice maybe once or twice a year against drones flying in a straight line at altitude while NATO aircraft "fly between the trees."
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May 1, 2021 16:10
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Dance of the Vampires was prob the best part of that book imo. poo poo was awesome.
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May 1, 2021 18:15
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Didn't they also have a scene where B-52s try to drop iron bombs on Rejkyavik? That seemed weird for the mid-80s.
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May 1, 2021 18:54
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The iron bombs? B-52s did hundreds of iron bomb sorties in desert storm.
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May 1, 2021 19:08
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They were B-1s and they get jumped by the 29s that are recently sent there IIRC. Speaking of things going on in Army ADA, they just sent the first Stryker A1 M-SHORADs out to Germany for unit testing. https://www.army.mil/article/245530/m_shorad_system_bolsters_armys_air_defense_capabilities Interesting that it's Hellfire-Ls with those little AESAs on board. Mazz fucked around with this message at 19:59 on May 1, 2021 |
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May 1, 2021 19:48
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No, it was a raid by B-52s, as one of the tail gunners fires some shots at a MiG before getting shot down.
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May 1, 2021 20:04
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Mazz posted:They were B-1s and they get jumped by the 29s that are recently sent there IIRC. Hellfires are a great choice to kill a helicopter or medium sized drone. If they're dual purpose that's also a great tool to turbofuck any tank around, and with a type of guidance nobody really has countermeasures stuck to tanks for. Still gonna need something with longer legs for the larger drones with nice optics/AGMs on them.
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May 1, 2021 22:42
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Most of the IADS magic happens as far left as possible. Kinetic vehicles are all well and good but if a cocom is engaging TBMs or whatever over its MOBs the system has already largely failed. 'We bomb them over there so we don't have to bomb them over here' but semi-unironically.
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May 1, 2021 23:05
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Guest2553 posted:Most of the IADS magic happens as far left as possible. Kinetic vehicles are all well and good but if a cocom is engaging TBMs or whatever over its MOBs the system has already largely failed. 'We bomb them over there so we don't have to bomb them over here' but semi-unironically. Related, I've always liked the saying "CIWS isn't the last line of defense, it's the first line of damage control".
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May 1, 2021 23:33
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So I've not been following this, but would you believe the Russian engineered covid vaccine is kinda slapdash and poo poo? This and other things is making Derek Lowe genuinely angry.
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May 2, 2021 00:45
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May 2, 2021 00:48
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Nebakenezzer posted:So I've not been following this, but would you believe the Russian engineered covid vaccine is kinda slapdash and poo poo? gently caress yeah that is a hell of a “come at me bro”
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May 2, 2021 01:04
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That Lowe article doesn't even mention the small problem of their vector virus apparently being replication competent. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-health-regulator-anvisas-technical-staff-recommend-against-importing-2021-04-26/
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priznat posted:gently caress yeah that is a hell of a “come at me bro” “I have a great deal of sympathy for the Russian people, who over the years have managed to make great contributions to humanity while cynically being abused by their leaders, who have too often been a series of despots and thieves.” It’s a little long for a thread title, but 
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MrYenko posted:“I have a great deal of sympathy for the Russian people, who over the years have managed to make great contributions to humanity while cynically being abused by their leaders, who have too often been a series of despots and thieves.” the Russian people figured out how to deal with that problem once
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May 2, 2021 01:52
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fartknocker posted:No, it was a raid by B-52s, as one of the tail gunners fires some shots at a MiG before getting shot down. They were B-52s but I think you’re thinking of the scene where the F-15s on a ferry flight come across some Bears and shoot them down, one of the Bear tail gunners gets some shots off.
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Phanatic posted:They were B-52s but I think you’re thinking of the scene where the F-15s on a ferry flight come across some Bears and shoot them down, one of the Bear tail gunners gets some shots off. Nope, it comes up right at the end, after they’ve completed their bombing run and the surviving bombers are trying to get away. “The Russians now were now out of missiles, and attempting to engage with their cannon. That was dangerous. The B-52s retained their tail guns, and one Fulcrum was damaged by machine-gun fire from his target and had to break off.” Related in an odd Cold War way, the tanks on the cover of my falling apart paper back copy of the book are Japanese Type 74s, which amuses me.
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aphid_licker posted:That Lowe article doesn't even mention the small problem of their vector virus apparently being replication competent. He talk about that in the post preceding it. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/brazil-rejects-the-gamaleya-vaccine
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Warbadger posted:Hellfires are a great choice to kill a helicopter or medium sized drone. If they're dual purpose that's also a great tool to turbofuck any tank around, and with a type of guidance nobody really has countermeasures stuck to tanks for. Still gonna need something with longer legs for the larger drones with nice optics/AGMs on them. I maintain that hellfires are a dogshit choice for air defense. They are too fat, too slow, and can’t maneuver enough. Their WEZ is not appropriate for surface to air. The sooner they replace them with something like a beefed up stinger the better.
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LibCrusher posted:I maintain that hellfires are a dogshit choice for air defense. They are too fat, too slow, and can’t maneuver enough. Their WEZ is not appropriate for surface to air. The sooner they replace them with something like a beefed up stinger the better. it isn't an either or thing, at least for M-SHORAD...it carries both. millimeter wave hellfires are uniquely well suited to tracking slow and small targets, which is why they were included as part of the suite. stinger is a lot better for bigger and faster targets. in related news, I wrote the conops for M-SHORAD in...2016, I think? that's a remarkably quick turnaround time from some idiot writing a concept paper to an active duty unit receiving an ostensibly functional system. pretty well done by the acquisitions community.
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bewbies posted:I wrote the conops for M-SHORAD in...2016, I think? I'd be interested in reading this, if you're comfortable PM'ing me what network I'd need access to.
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/amp36279566/army-robots-living-muscle-tissue/ Why do I hear the Terminator instrumental all of a sudden?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/amp36279566/army-robots-living-muscle-tissue/ Just off of that article I found this: a CIA bug. IE, a dragonfly sized, dragonfly looking bug. Which they made in the 1970s. https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a30795266/cia-robot-dragonfly/ To trigger Phantic: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a36065327/nuclear-reactor-makes-fusion-viable-by-2030/ Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 14:54 on May 2, 2021 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:To trigger Phantic: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a36065327/nuclear-reactor-makes-fusion-viable-by-2030/ Huh...only 5-10 years out?
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It was supposed to be released onto the market by gm in 2020...
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May 2, 2021 17:09
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According to SimCity 2000, we get fusion power in 2050. There's plenty of time. The real problem is that we were supposed to get satellite microwave power in 2000. Where the hell is it
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May 2, 2021 18:29
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Satellite microwave power abandoned because too many engineers learned it had a 100% accident rate from sim city.
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May 2, 2021 18:34
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The man warned you not to cut back on funding. Now you regret this. I suspect there's some regret going on here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLhvwpiH0sQ
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Somebody Awful posted:The man warned you not to cut back on funding. Now you regret this. How many minutes of training do you think that ANA fighter has with that SAW? 1? 2?
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