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Im part of the problem. I love the current version of control warlock and play it even though I barely eke out 50% winrate on ladder. It's just so fun to play.
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L0cke17 posted:Im part of the problem. I love the current version of control warlock and play it even though I barely eke out 50% winrate on ladder. You're the floodgate holding back the Priests, so that's commendable 
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May 2, 2021 16:30
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AnacondaHL posted:Actually this is a terrible way to judge it, because when priest is left unbanned that almost guaranteed implies the opponent has brought a strategy to specifically target and beat it. Fair point, we'd need to see what it looks like for no-ban play. AnacondaHL posted:It actually heavily implies that, not because of the absolute 74% number, but from the relative number compared to other decks. The shape of the distribution is important. If you want you could crudely divide each number by 4 to get an estimate of the expected play rate on ladder. I see four classes that are all roughly equal within ~8% (or, dividing by four, ~2%). Priest is probably a top deck - it certainly plays that way for me on ladder - but the Master's data is far from saying it's the undisputed best ladder option in the way that Paladin has been since the nerfs.
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May 2, 2021 16:43
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orangelex44 posted:Yes, apparently. It's sorta mystifying that WL does so bad considering it has so many good cards right now.
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May 2, 2021 17:34
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I think Warlock just comes down to how many classes want to rip your face off by turn 5. There’s Hunter, Paladin, Rogue, Warrior to an extent, Mage can pull some shenanigans still, etc.
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May 2, 2021 17:38
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L0cke17 posted:Im part of the problem. I love the current version of control warlock and play it even though I barely eke out 50% winrate on ladder. you're part of the solution my friend. please continue in your public service. every time you vs. a priest, that's one less the rest of us have to deal with.
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May 2, 2021 17:47
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At least with the bonus star system even if I tank to 35-40% winrate I still end up diamond 10 every season with no real effort.
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May 2, 2021 17:51
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I also enjoy Warlock despite it being bad. Probably because I happen to have all the cards to pull it off, though.
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May 2, 2021 17:54
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Sankara posted:I also enjoy Warlock despite it being bad. Probably because I happen to have all the cards to pull it off, though. I don't have any of the cards. It might be the deck I buy on Tuesday.
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May 2, 2021 17:56
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L0cke17 posted:Im part of the problem. I love the current version of control warlock and play it even though I barely eke out 50% winrate on ladder. Same, I've been playing Delete Warlock a lot. Most games are on my phone so don't know exact statistics. I'm probably a little short of 50% win rate but it's so fun. I agree with the sentiment that I don't mind Priest so much now that Resurrect Priest is gone. Sethekk Veilweaver is an annoying generator, but with just Scorpid and two generating spells (which can't generate themselves anymore) it's not that excessive.
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May 2, 2021 18:39
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I played control warlock once I hit legend last season (last few days) and was steadily climbing with it. Didn't see any priests at legend or during the d5-1 climb. Delete warlock I really want to work but it just isn't good.
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May 2, 2021 19:36
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I dunno about the rest of you, but I just find it unfun to play against classes where you can't tell what they're capable of doing in a turn because all their poo poo is discounted, and you also can't play around thinking they'll only have two of any given card. When I match against priest, I mostly just treat it like a random deck brawl and hope for the best instead of actually trying to predict their moves.
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May 2, 2021 20:10
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gandlethorpe posted:I dunno about the rest of you, but I just find it unfun to play against classes where you can't tell what they're capable of doing in a turn because all their poo poo is discounted, and you also can't play around thinking they'll only have two of any given card. When I match against priest, I mostly just treat it like a random deck brawl and hope for the best instead of actually trying to predict their moves. pretty sure this is most of us, if not everyone. which is why priest is a real cancer and shouldn't be encouraged to spread. just gonna re-quote this again, since it's much more eloquent. AnacondaHL posted:The fact that Crab Rider is one of the best cards is a Good Thing. It means that the board matters, and interaction on the board matters. I guarantee you don't actually want what will happen when this isn't the case, because it will be just like it was before: Stealth Rogue, Spell Mage, and Face Hunter, and Priest to stop them, all the decks that don't care about the board, driving the meta. Last King fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 2, 2021 20:40
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Gaby was really tiresome to watch in Masters Tour Orgrimmar Relentless showboating, and he's known for being a prolific stream sniper and all-around terrible sport
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No Wave posted:I'll always remember Jade Druid for this. It was crazy. There were a lot of frantic cards being played as the rope ticked down and bad decisions being made during the Grim Patron days, too. Fond memory
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gandlethorpe posted:I dunno about the rest of you, but I just find it unfun to play against classes where you can't tell what they're capable of doing in a turn because all their poo poo is discounted, and you also can't play around thinking they'll only have two of any given card. When I match against priest, I mostly just treat it like a random deck brawl and hope for the best instead of actually trying to predict their moves. I mean everything said here also 100% applies to Spell Mage, even without DoL. Edit: the more I think about it, the more I wonder if just too many discovery/generate cards are too good right now, all because of rotation and the new core set. First Day of School, Font, like every spell Priest can generate, etc. Have you looked at the pool for Spell Damage minions off of Primordial? You have like a 1 in 5 chance of getting the perfect spell damage minion for your turn. Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 00:31 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 00:23
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Beasteh posted:Gaby was really tiresome to watch in Masters Tour Orgrimmar
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Gobbeldygook posted:he's fifteen years old. Child acts like child playing a children's card game.
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May 3, 2021 01:41
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Orange Crush Rush posted:I mean everything said here also 100% applies to Spell Mage, even without DoL. Discover is the game’s solution to sideboarding but they’ve definitely allowed a number of classes to go hard into it. Maybe too hard? They like discover because it means every game does not play out the same but I think they fail to noticed that the randomness has a different kind of “sameyness” to it. I made it to legend last month with a version of priest that has no win conditions in the deck. Every actual threat was generated (Kazakus, Wandmaker, Sethek, Palm Reading, Scorpion, Dragon Studies etc). Normally, the cost of that flexibility is tempo, but Palm Reading and the Studies cards solve that for you. It’s fun to play but pretty unfun to play against, I imagine. Same as playing against Mage who can now more than make up for a couple of turns if low tempo with massive value and tempo in a deck of discounted discover monsters.
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doingitwrong posted:Every actual threat was generated (Kazakus, Wandmaker, Sethek, Palm Reading, Scorpion, Dragon Studies etc). Normally, the cost of that flexibility is tempo, but Palm Reading and the Studies cards solve that for you. tbf Kazakus does have an additional and substantial cost for that flexibility
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I always thought Discover was a clever way to get people to play with cards that otherwise never would have appeared in a deck (so, like, 50% of all the neutrals in the game) but it seems like most of its problems stem from having too small a card pool. Regarding Standard, I only played enough to finish my dailies and hit D5 last month, and while I normally prefer playing control decks, Priest and Warlock are the only two classes I don't enjoy playing at all so I stuck to Rush Warrior. Maybe my memory is failing me, but in the distant past of pre-rotation I swear control decks had to actually play minions and interact with the board, but now Priest and especially Warlock can remove a whole deck's worth of enemy minions without having to play much of anything on the board themselves. And it just feels bad to play against, which I know is a kind of catch-all complaint when you don't want to think too much about reasons, but there it is. For me, playing so much Rush Warrior, my pet hate is Hysteria. Playing around it is almost impossible in the early game if you want to actually apply pressure, which you need to do against those decks. And even if you manage to play around it for a few turns, it's still a Sword of Damocles hanging over your head for the whole game. It's too flexible, being efficient at removing multiple small and/or large threats, and it's not hard to engineer board states to take advantage of it if you need to. Not saying it should be nerfed, exactly, but it's indicative of how the overall Priest/Warlock removal package contains too much value.
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May 3, 2021 04:09
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I'm actually really liking Discard/Empty Deck Warlock right now.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I'm actually really liking Discard/Empty Deck Warlock right now. I played a game against it recently and they used Tickatus to mill 5 cards from their own deck on turn 6. They lost Jaraxxus, Alexstraza, Rustwix, Neeru, and a Twisting Nether. They did not win that game but up until then I had never even considered hitting myself with Tickatus when playing that deck. I haven't really looked into how the deck is supposed to be played so I don't know if that is an actual viable play, but the one time I saw it it didn't work out too well. Seems like a better idea if you've already drawn at least some of the late game cards.
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Desert Bus posted:I played a game against it recently and they used Tickatus to mill 5 cards from their own deck on turn 6. They lost Jaraxxus, Alexstraza, Rustwix, Neeru, and a Twisting Nether. They did not win that game but up until then I had never even considered hitting myself with Tickatus when playing that deck. I haven't really looked into how the deck is supposed to be played so I don't know if that is an actual viable play, but the one time I saw it it didn't work out too well. Seems like a better idea if you've already drawn at least some of the late game cards. According to Kibler, self milling is Tickatus‘ primary purpose in the deck, since it really speeds up your key cards getting online, similar to Altar of Fire. But it obviously depends on what is left in your deck, as well as what you are playing against. Against control, you’ll try to hold off until you have at least one of your win conditions in hand. Against aggro you want the lifesteal and taunt cards that care about your deck having 10 or less cards active ASAP.
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Yeah you really have to pay attention to what you have/feel you need to have in order to win when you mill yourself... it can get bad! I’ve put personally never used Tickatus to mill myself yet, haven’t really felt the need to.
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May 3, 2021 16:54
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We're at a stage in power creep where a 6 mana 8/8 isn't even that good (looks at hammer of the naaru)
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6 mana 8/8 hasn't been great for a very long time.... there was a 5 mana 8/8 (with a usually irrelevant but sometimes hilarious downside) that was basically a balanced card a few years back. Actually, I realized I just described two cards.
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Kibler is streaming the deck right now, for those interested. E: I’d also really recommend watching, because the deck plays really unconventionally, and you don’t always see it in his YouTube videos. For example, Kibler just won a match against a rogue where he deliberately used backfire to overdraw on turn 4 or 5. MuLepton fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 3, 2021 |
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Desert Bus posted:I played a game against it recently and they used Tickatus to mill 5 cards from their own deck on turn 6. They lost Jaraxxus, Alexstraza, Rustwix, Neeru, and a Twisting Nether. They did not win that game but up until then I had never even considered hitting myself with Tickatus when playing that deck. I haven't really looked into how the deck is supposed to be played so I don't know if that is an actual viable play, but the one time I saw it it didn't work out too well. Seems like a better idea if you've already drawn at least some of the late game cards. Sometimes you draw badly and have to take a big risk like that
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Is there a viable Scabbs deck? I pulled a golden copy from the Hero's Journey or w/e it is called. Something like Miracle but with a lower curve?
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Boatswain posted:Is there a viable Scabbs deck? I pulled a golden copy from the Hero's Journey or w/e it is called. Something like Miracle but with a lower curve?
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Boatswain posted:Is there a viable Scabbs deck? I pulled a golden copy from the Hero's Journey or w/e it is called. Something like Miracle but with a lower curve? Here are the decks on d0nkey: https://www.d0nkey.top/streamer-decks?include_cards%5B63517%5D=true Doesn't look promising, but if you like the playstyle then who cares about winning?
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No Wave posted:6 mana 8/8 hasn't been great for a very long time.... there was a 5 mana 8/8 (with a usually irrelevant but sometimes hilarious downside) that was basically a balanced card a few years back. Actually, I realized I just described two cards. I just realized fel reaver would work really well in self mill lock
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Gobbeldygook posted:There is one deck on hsreplay with Scabbs: the barrens rogue deck recipe. It has a 37.8% winrate over 520 games. Scabbs isn't that bad though, you could swap Kazakus for Scabbs in any good miracle list and it would be fine, but a bit worse. Yeah I tried that, fun but I miss Kazakus every time I draw Scabbs. The Oil Rig Ambushers feel great with Shadowstep and Tenwu though. fanny packrat posted:Here are the decks on d0nkey: https://www.d0nkey.top/streamer-decks?include_cards%5B63517%5D=true Better do something like this: https://www.d0nkey.top/streamer-decks?class=ROGUE&legend=200&include_cards%5B63517%5D=true But yeah.
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I too have been playing Kiblers deck destruction Warlock deck and really enjoying it. I think the deck is actually decent but very difficult to pilot (I am not a very good pilot). I have for sure lost a lot of games where I think I took the wrong line. But its much more involved and fun to play than most other decks I have seen. I usually play off meta stuff anyway though. I started messing with it at Diamond 5 right before the the month end, and I am almost back to Diamond 10 with it now. Good times.
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Are there any legendaries that are currently out of vogue/generally "bad" that are safe to dust? Here's my list of them so far: Guff Runetotem Deck of Lunacy Xyrella Neeru Fireblade Overlord Saurfang Moonfang N'zoth, God of the Deep I'm kinda hard up on dust right now and would wanna go for another deck for some variety. Some token druids use Guff but he hasn't been a gamewinner for me so I wouldn't mind losing him. Alternatively here's my collection: https://hsreplay.net/collection/2/17464881/ Sorry if it's a bit presumptuous for someone to go through this, just don't want to fall into the trap of dusting something that was actually really good and was a silly move to do so.
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DeadButDelicious posted:Are there any legendaries that are currently out of vogue/generally "bad" that are safe to dust? Here's my list of them so far: Aside from Deck of Lunacy, which you're unfortunately a few days late on the full dust refund but feel free to dust it now, all of these legendaries have high Regret Risk. You really should wait until at least the mini-set before dusting Standard-playable cards. edit: Actual advice: you're many Rares short of a full set, meaning I recommend first focusing on spending gold/$ on packs until at least you have all the rares, then you can think about dust and crafting epics/legendaries afterwards. AnacondaHL fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 4, 2021 |
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I'm sure I'm missing something, but how do I claim the portraits for the "Tavern Regular" achievement? When I click on "See Rewards" for either of the first two tiers, it still tells me I need to complete the achievement. Or is this coming in a later patch?
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mcbexx posted:I'm sure I'm missing something, but how do I claim the portraits for the "Tavern Regular" achievement? This is bugged for everyone rn
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So if you're buying a deck, which one? I'm planning on getting Risk Warrior. I know Priest has a higher win rate, but it's too slow for me. E: What's interesting is that the deck recipes don't correspond to the deck's being sold, at least for Pally. Their Pally deck that they are selling for $20 is not in the deck recipes. That deck has Cannonmaster in it, which I don't have because the HS replay deck I'm using doesn't use it. Hopefully a deck list of all the sold decks will show up somewhere soonish  .Mayveena fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 4, 2021 |
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