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Firebert posted:Okoye would work, too they could thrust Ayo into the leadership position of the Dora. I could see this working. It would explain why they gave the actor a ton of screen time in the behind the scenes. She is also really pumped about the character. And it turns out all the Dora actors talk together even when they aren't planning for movies.
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Aren't you supposed to be a member of the royal family or one of the tribal leaders to challenge for the title of King and Black Panther? I don't think characters like Okoye or Nakia could do it unless they fudge those rules too. If that is the case then Shuri and M'Baku are two of the only people who could become Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye and W'Kabi would be out, since they're not leaders or the family of leaders. There are four other tribes we don't know much about though, and while their elders are presumably too old to become the new Black Panther, they could have a child we haven't met for one reason or another who becomes the new Black Panther. You'd imagine they'd want to make it a pre-existing character though.
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May 3, 2021 18:08
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tsob posted:Aren't you supposed to be a member of the royal family or one of the tribal leaders to challenge for the title of King and Black Panther? I don't think characters like Okoye or Nakia could do it unless they fudge those rules too. If that is the case then Shuri and M'Baku are two of the only people who could become Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye and W'Kabi would be out, since they're not leaders or the family of leaders. There are four other tribes we don't know much about though, and while their elders are presumably too old to become the new Black Panther, they could have a child we haven't met for one reason or another who becomes the new Black Panther. You'd imagine they'd want to make it a pre-existing character though. The monarchy stuff is a black spot on the film so it'd be great if they just threw in a line about T'Challa breaking it up. But also, the title suggests that there might not even be a new Black Panther at all.
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tsob posted:Aren't you supposed to be a member of the royal family or one of the tribal leaders to challenge for the title of King and Black Panther? I don't think characters like Okoye or Nakia could do it unless they fudge those rules too. If that is the case then Shuri and M'Baku are two of the only people who could become Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye and W'Kabi would be out, since they're not leaders or the family of leaders. There are four other tribes we don't know much about though, and while their elders are presumably too old to become the new Black Panther, they could have a child we haven't met for one reason or another who becomes the new Black Panther. You'd imagine they'd want to make it a pre-existing character though. Maybe Nakia married T’Challa and she has a claim to the title. Regardless, I vote for King Carl Tart.
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tsob posted:Aren't you supposed to be a member of the royal family or one of the tribal leaders to challenge for the title of King and Black Panther? I don't think characters like Okoye or Nakia could do it unless they fudge those rules too. If that is the case then Shuri and M'Baku are two of the only people who could become Black Panther. Nakia, Okoye and W'Kabi would be out, since they're not leaders or the family of leaders. There are four other tribes we don't know much about though, and while their elders are presumably too old to become the new Black Panther, they could have a child we haven't met for one reason or another who becomes the new Black Panther. You'd imagine they'd want to make it a pre-existing character though. Anyone could make a claim to the throne, so long as they had the support of one of the tribes. And then fought during the succession ceremony and won. The first one was a fait accompli until the Jabari showed up, because the other tribes all liked and supported Tchalla.
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Dexo posted:Anyone could make a claim to the throne, so long as they had the support of one of the tribes. And then fought during the succession ceremony and won. Yeah, it seems that each of the tribes could have a champion challenge the king, and if successful their champion becomes the Black Panther and presumably the King. Obviously politically/historically/culturally a champion would be expected to be the leader of the tribe as well, but we don't see enough details to claim that as necessary. It's also possible Shuri will be Queen but due to her age request one of the Dora Milaje be the Black Panther for now.
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May 3, 2021 18:36
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Nakia was the River Tribe's Champion in the Challenge Ritual at the start of the movie, she could absolutely be Black Panther. I would be really surprised if Shuri was not the next Black Panther because she took up the mantle in the comics and has a pretty iconic costume. It turns out her actor is like a antivaxxer chud though so I hope not. Nakia would actually be pretty cool, she was under-used in the first BP.
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What was the reasoning for Nakia being left out of all the Infinity War/Endgame stuff? I looked it up and they explain it with a vague "she was doing missions" but was there more to it? Actor scheduling or something? It doesn't even seem known whether she got snapped or not.
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Bleck posted:okay but give me King M'Baku. I am here for King Daddy Thiccums.
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May 3, 2021 19:03
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live with fruit posted:The next Black Panther should be Wakanda's greatest warrior, Okoye. This is correct.
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In a surprise twist, it's Martin Freeman
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Hobo Clown posted:What was the reasoning for Nakia being left out of all the Infinity War/Endgame stuff? I looked it up and they explain it with a vague "she was doing missions" but was there more to it? Actor scheduling or something? She was planned to be in Endgame, but it was a small part and Lupita was busy, so she ended up not doing it. quote:After some of the supporting cast of Black Panther sat out Avengers: Infinity War, it seems as though Lupita Nyong’o’s Nakia was planned to return in Endgame. While the role that Nakia would have had would not have been particularly large, Lupita Nyong’o would have returned as her Black Panther character in Avengers: Endgame during the Battle of Earth sequence.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Give me King M’Baku or give me death
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Shuri or the Gorilla guy tbh, they both had presence and charm
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I have a feeling they are going to set BP2 sometime during the snap to avoid having to deal with chadwicks death
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She was planned to be in Endgame, but it was a small part and Lupita was busy, so she ended up not doing it. Looks like Shuri took her place.
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May 3, 2021 21:39
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If a member of a different tribe became king of Wakanda, would they still be "Black Panther" or "Black (insert their animal here)"?
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Geo Fixer posted:I have a feeling they are going to set BP2 sometime during the snap to avoid having to deal with chadwicks death This actually seems like the most possible out of all the theories I've read so far.
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May 3, 2021 21:52
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live with fruit posted:The monarchy stuff is a black spot on the film so it'd be great if they just threw in a line about T'Challa breaking it up. Why is it a black spot, there is no indication that any member of wakanda has any issues with the monarchy at all, they all seem happy.
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Terror Sweat posted:Why is it a black spot, there is no indication that any member of wakanda has any issues with the monarchy at all, they all seem happy. Monarchies are bad.
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Comic books love monarchy. People living under the sea have monarchies, Europe has monarchies, people living on the moon have monarchies, people living in fictional countries have monarchies, people who exist in multiple dimensions have monarchies, and every alien race is either a monarchy or a hive-mind.
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live with fruit posted:Monarchies are bad. no no you dont understand this poster here is here to tell the poor suffering folk of wakanda how bad they actually have it and text be damned if it means your horse is a bit higher
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In It For The Tank posted:If a member of a different tribe became king of Wakanda, would they still be "Black Panther" or "Black (insert their animal here)"? Pretty sure all the Wakandan tribes worship the same panther god that the role/suit is modeled after. At least that's what I remember from the comics.
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Coates was one of the vocal critics of the European style monarchy and succession by combat.
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Rolling Stone has done an oral history of WandaVision and published an excerpt. tl;dr they originally did plan for Cumberbatch to appear, but changed their mind for all the reasons you might expect.
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Away all Goats posted:Pretty sure all the Wakandan tribes worship the same panther god that the role/suit is modeled after. At least that's what I remember from the comics. The 4 main tribes all worship and follow Bast the Panther god. The Jabari are the only ones who worship Hanuman.
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In It For The Tank posted:If a member of a different tribe became king of Wakanda, would they still be "Black Panther" or "Black (insert their animal here)"? I'd watch the Black Aardwolf movie
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Honey Badger when they go on the warpath. 
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Cage Kicker posted:So...no Wakandan Megazord then I take it Wakandan Voltron, but the ape forms the head.
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live with fruit posted:Monarchies are bad. Historically, monarchies are the oldest and longest lasting forms of government.
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live with fruit posted:Monarchies are bad. Is there any evidence in the film that the monarchy is bad? Every single character we see seems to like the monarchy, the only dispute is a question of leadership. Not a single wakandan in the film wants to abolish the monarchy.
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Terror Sweat posted:Is there any evidence in the film that the monarchy is bad? Every single character we see seems to like the monarchy, the only dispute is a question of leadership. Not a single wakandan in the film wants to abolish the monarchy. They're bad in real life.
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Terror Sweat posted:Is there any evidence in the film that the monarchy is bad? Every single character we see seems to like the monarchy, the only dispute is a question of leadership. Not a single wakandan in the film wants to abolish the monarchy. The political institution's process for succession could use some improvement.
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There's also no regular Wakandans in the cast of characters.
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Terror Sweat posted:Is there any evidence in the film that the monarchy is bad? They are completely impotent to prevent Killmonger doing what he wants to do. I'm not sure how much more evidence is needed - an all powerful sovereign is great when that individual is super ethical. Otherwise it's a poor system of governance and the film shows this directly in text. There are no checks on his ability to destroy the heart shaped herbs nor to start a war with practically the entire world.
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live with fruit posted:There's also no regular Wakandans in the cast of characters. What counts as regular, out of interest? I'd have thought W'Kabi, Nakia etc count personally, since they didn't obtain their position by birthright and were not part of the leadership or monarchy. Are they discounted because they're part of the military? Does that mean that democracy is bad? Multiple MCU properties only really show government officials and military personnel, such as Captain America, Captain Marvel and Thor. Should Valkyrie be transitioning Asgard to a democratic system of government too? tsob fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 3, 2021 |
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live with fruit posted:They're bad in real life. I live in a monarchy and I can blame almost all of our problems on failed democratic processes
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