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Aphrodite posted:Do Australians just think of north as down? Not Australian, but I've never really thought of North as up in the first place. If I'm holding a map, I don't hold it with north up, I hold it with north facing north. Depending on how I'm standing and the shape of the map, this might be up, but it could just as easily be down or the right. If I'm heading southeast, that's my up, mentally. Also I kind of want to buy a south-on-top globe now. Or maybe south/north perfectly horizontal, that'd be cool.
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Phosphine posted:Or maybe south/north perfectly horizontal, that'd be cool. It also wouldn't make sense. Globes are oriented so that up and down is perpendicular to our orbit around the Sun, and the rotational axis tilted to match.
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Apr 23, 2021 01:25
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Phosphine posted:Not Australian, but I've never really thought of North as up in the first place. If I'm holding a map, I don't hold it with north up, I hold it with north facing north. Depending on how I'm standing and the shape of the map, this might be up, but it could just as easily be down or the right. If I'm heading southeast, that's my up, mentally. As a geologist I spend a hell of a lot of time outdoors with maps and I cannot stop myself from turning around so that I'm facing north. I just get the map out, hold it up and I'll already be turning around without thinking about it.
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Apr 23, 2021 02:24
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Memento posted:As a geologist I spend a hell of a lot of time outdoors with maps and I cannot stop myself from turning around so that I'm facing north. I just get the map out, hold it up and I'll already be turning around without thinking about it. This but it’s because I was really cool as a kid and did Boy Scouts.
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Hyperlynx posted:It also wouldn't make sense. Globes are oriented so that up and down is perpendicular to our orbit around the Sun, and the rotational axis tilted to match. I mean sure, but they don't have to be. That's not really a mandatory or useful feature for a decorative/"fail to look up countries because it's wrong now" globe at home. Memento posted:As a geologist I spend a hell of a lot of time outdoors with maps and I cannot stop myself from turning around so that I'm facing north. I just get the map out, hold it up and I'll already be turning around without thinking about it. I grew up orienteering, which I guess could have something to do with it. If you're running and need to consult the map, stopping and turning to face a different direction isn't reasonable, you just keep running while checking the map, making it natural to turn it so up is your direction of travel. This is also how navigation software works, at least Google maps. Can you even tell it to keep the map oriented with up as north instead of forward?
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Apr 23, 2021 06:15
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Much like in videogames, I will never trust anyone in real life who uses a constant-north map orientation rather than one facing relative to your own direction.
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Apr 23, 2021 06:21
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Phosphine posted:
Yes, you just tap the lil compass icon in the corner, or tap it again to orient south. Also the guy who created the original functionality for this is the brother of Jack Black
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Apr 23, 2021 08:04
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Aphrodite posted:Do Australians just think of north as down? We do think of north as warm and south as cold though
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Captain Hygiene posted:Much like in videogames, I will never trust anyone in real life who uses a constant-north map orientation rather than one facing relative to your own direction. (never mind that I mentally orient myself on a map based on what direction I'd turn to go a way, the map itself has to be pointed so north is up)
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Apr 23, 2021 14:27
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I have a terrible sense of direction so orienting a map so that north is pointing towards actual north is pretty much a non-starter. Interestingly, apparently there's some languages in the world where people are always aware of what direction they're facing and rather than referring to things or people as being to the right or left of each other they'll refer to them by direction. For example, if two boxes are laying next to each other, rather than saying "pick up the box on the left" like we would, they'd say to pick up the box that's to the east. Even more interesting, there's an indigenous language on Bali that's directional like this, but instead of north/south/east/west, the directions refer to something as being towards the volcano at the center of the island, or away from it. So the four directions are center/out/heading clockwise/heading counterclockwise. Sucrose has a new favorite as of 14:44 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 14:39
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Sucrose posted:I have a terrible sense of direction so orienting a map so that north is pointing towards actual north is pretty much a non-starter. Hubward, Rimward, Turnwise and Widdershins.
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Sucrose posted:Even more interesting, there's an indigenous language on Bali that's directional like this, but instead of north/south/east/west, the directions refer to something as being towards the volcano at the center of the island, or away from it. So the four directions are center/out/heading clockwise/heading counterclockwise. As someone that absolutely never knows which way north is, I can get behind this.
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Apr 23, 2021 15:08
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Memento posted:Hubward, Rimward, Turnwise and Widdershins. I love that it took precisely one post for someone to post this reference 
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Apr 23, 2021 16:10
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Growing up in northeast Ohio, everyone always said it was very simple, north is towards the lake. You know, the thing that's a 45 minute drive by car and lower than everything that you can't see until you are right on it.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:03
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Water is blue.
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Apr 24, 2021 07:01
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“Turnwise” is bogus. It should be “deasil”.
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Apr 24, 2021 07:20
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Sucrose posted:I have a terrible sense of direction so orienting a map so that north is pointing towards actual north is pretty much a non-starter. Using compass directions instead of relational seems to be a country vs city thing. I use cardinal because I grew up on the farm and also in the woods. My mom and dad always use cardinal directions too. My wife has always lived in the city. She has no idea what compass direction she's looking in. It's always left, right, and landmarks. You're lucky to get a street number out of her.
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mostlygray posted:Using compass directions instead of relational seems to be a country vs city thing. I use cardinal because I grew up on the farm and also in the woods. My mom and dad always use cardinal directions too. My wife has always lived in the city. She has no idea what compass direction she's looking in. It's always left, right, and landmarks. You're lucky to get a street number out of her. Yeah that holds no water since my friends and i grew up in the country and they're all incapable of giving directions and i use left/right/landmarks
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Me either, my wife grew up outside a 500 person town and uses landmarks, I grew up in suburban Phoenix and use cardinal directions. Maybe it has some thing to do with the way your streets are oriented where you grow up?
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Platystemon posted:“Turnwise” is bogus. I would tell you to take it up with Terry Pratchett but he's dead... and you'd probably still lose, he's got a really cool sword.
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Memento posted:I would tell you to take it up with Terry Pratchett but he's dead... and you'd probably still lose, he's got a really cool sword. Now that he's dead this can't hurt him but, get this: there's no such thing as a cool sword.
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Apr 25, 2021 02:05
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Now that he's Death, he's got a really cool Scythe. Who needs swords?
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Helith posted:We do think of north as warm and south as cold though no poo poo
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Apr 25, 2021 03:37
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I grew up in California and without ever really thinking about it deeply internalized the concept that west meant towards the ocean and east meant away from from the ocean. I've since live on islands, miles from any coast, north of the ocean, and on the east coast. Now if I ever need to tell the two apart I just cry.
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This entire conversation is actual gibberish to me because of dyscalculia. I never get lost anywhere but I can't read a map at all and if you asked me to find north I'd start crying. I find my way around by guessing and I guess correctly but I never know how I got anywhere. Dyscalculia is hosed up on a good day, but orienteering? Totally new level of fuckery to me. I'm convinced everyone is like me and pretending really hard when they read a map and just following their gut. Like making up a card game as you go along. Learning disorders feel like a superpower sometimes.
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fizzymercury posted:This entire conversation is actual gibberish to me because of dyscalculia. I never get lost anywhere but I can't read a map at all and if you asked me to find north I'd start crying. I find my way around by guessing and I guess correctly but I never know how I got anywhere. Dyscalculia is hosed up on a good day, but orienteering? Totally new level of fuckery to me. I'm convinced everyone is like me and pretending really hard when they read a map and just following their gut. Like making up a card game as you go along. It's ok, I just quizzed myself "what direction am I facing" and had to think about it for a good 30 seconds.
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Sucrose posted:It's ok, I just quizzed myself "what direction am I facing" and had to think about it for a good 30 seconds.
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fizzymercury posted:This entire conversation is actual gibberish to me because of dyscalculia. (I do get lost tho)
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My grandma used to have an amazing sense of direction--thr uncanny ability to guess exactly wrong, to the point they used it a couple times. Also coupled with a remarkable lack of mechanical aptitude (my dad once saw her trying to drive in nails holding the hammer by the claw). Unfortunately at some point it switched to being 90 degrees off which is too ambiguous.
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I just figured out the casting gag in "Groundhog Day". 
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:I just figured out the casting gag in "Groundhog Day". The what? Is this a thing I can't believe I just figured out? OK hit me. What's the casting gag in "Groundhog Day"?
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Silver Falcon posted:The what? Is this a thing I can't believe I just figured out? Thirteen years earlier, Bill Murray was bedeviled by a groundhog in "Caddyshack".
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Questionable casting theories ITT
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Bill Murray's name phonetically translate to Groundhog in the Pashto langauge.
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I still get Groundhogs day and Caddyshack confused with eachother and I'm not sure why
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Thirteen years earlier, Bill Murray was bedeviled by a groundhog in "Caddyshack". The animal from Caddyshack was a gopher, not a groundhog.
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May 4, 2021 00:34
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Apparently Gophers and Groundhogs are different animals
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Weembles posted:The animal from Caddyshack was a gopher, not a groundhog. Well then I'm wrong. Oh well. 
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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:Thirteen years earlier, Bill Murray was bedeviled by a groundhog in "Caddyshack". In the movie Citizen Kane, there is a sled named Rosebud. There’s a deleted scene in Groundhog Day involving a hemorrhoid and Bill Murray calls it Rosebud MIND BLOWN!
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Gaius Marius posted:Apparently Gophers and Groundhogs are different animals Semantics.
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