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When cons start being live in person again he’s going to be going to literally every single one isnt he?
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:17 |
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# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:35 |
Shimrra Jamaane posted:When cons start being live in person again he’s going to be going to literally every single one isnt he? Without a doubt.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:51 |
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Imagine all the HBO press junkets for the stupid spinoff that he’s gonna attend as well.
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# ? May 3, 2021 21:13 |
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"...But we didn't even invite him! He just turned up and started signing things!"
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# ? May 3, 2021 21:30 |
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Wasn't it like three years ago that he said he wouldn't attend another con until Winds was out? Did he lie? Are words wind?
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# ? May 3, 2021 21:59 |
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Ccs posted:I definitely feel like an author has an informal contract with readers to deliver the series if the initial book is pitched as part of a series. And they have an explicit contract with the publisher, although with these mega-success stories the publisher is never going to exert too much pressure on the author to actually deliver. I mean you can force a fart so I see no reason why book 3 of poor undergrad who is the best at everything is still delayed, book 2 poor undergrad is a sex-haver came out years ago, why isn’t part 3 poor undergrad fails to live up to his promise done?
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:52 |
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some bust on that guy posted:It's funny going back that as mad as everyone got in 2008-2010, they probably still wouldn't have dreamed that it would be 2021 and the 6th book still wouldn't be out. I mean, hell, I was speculating back in like 2008-ish that GRRM probably wouldn't even be alive in 2021, so I'm pleasantly surprised by at least one metric of my ASoIaF predictions.
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# ? May 4, 2021 00:17 |
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MalarkeyToboggan posted:Wasn't it like three years ago that he said he wouldn't attend another con until Winds was out? Yeah he promised that in like 2017 and reneged within a year.
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# ? May 4, 2021 00:27 |
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Yeah the consensus when ADWD hit was that GRRM wouldn't see through the end of the decade, but hey at least the show would finish stuff... up...
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# ? May 4, 2021 00:28 |
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How many of the people GRRM was lamenting in half his blog posts this year were killed by Covid or because they were in their 80s and 90s and he can’t handle that he’s now old as gently caress himself.
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# ? May 4, 2021 00:35 |
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=2327492&pagenumber=174&perpage=40#post352076592 Nov 12, 2008Morse posted:Hopefully the HBO show will rekindle his interest in ASOIAF. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 4, 2021 |
# ? May 4, 2021 00:45 |
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Well this would have been better. Nebalebadingdong posted:Season 5 and all seasons thereafter of ASoIaF will just be football games with George commentating
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# ? May 4, 2021 00:48 |
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My greatest pleasure in watching football comes not from watching my team win, but watching grrm’s teams lose.
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# ? May 4, 2021 01:21 |
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What I'm really morbidly curious about are what his publishers think. Like are there any leaks from people in the industry? Do they honestly really believe he is still going to write another book, let alone finish the series?
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# ? May 4, 2021 01:34 |
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some bust on that guy posted:Well this would have been better. Please no, I remember John Madden and we don't need a GRRMadden.
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# ? May 4, 2021 01:40 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:What I'm really morbidly curious about are what his publishers think. Like are there any leaks from people in the industry? Do they honestly really believe he is still going to write another book, let alone finish the series? In the run up to A Dance with Dragons being published, there were some rumblings about his publishers getting chuffed that he was taking so loving long and the show's premiere was bearing down on everyone and raising tensions to just get SOMETHING out before the first episode aired on HBO. The generally accepted sequence of events is that Random House all but sent a pair of hired goons to his house and said "whatever you have finished, give it to us. Now." and they kind of forced GRRM to give them his 3/4s complete manuscript for ADWD and they published that as a complete* book. Hence why GRRM had so many "preview" chapters for The Winds of Winter handy, because they were originally intended to be in the previous book. Around the mid-point of the show, as it was closing in on territory covered by A Feast for Crows/A Dance With Dragons, there were similar chufty rumblings out of and around Random House and the unspoken worry that the show overtaking the books would kill sales prospects for The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring, but GRRM didn't have poo poo to give them this time around so they couldn't pull another panic publish move like they did on ADWD. Since the show ended, the universal outrage over it and with GRRM having not written anything in a solid decade, it think his publishers have just given the gently caress up on getting anything more out of him.
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# ? May 4, 2021 01:53 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:What I'm really morbidly curious about are what his publishers think. Like are there any leaks from people in the industry? Do they honestly really believe he is still going to write another book, let alone finish the series? It's very rare for a publisher to talk about that stuff, though the editor of Rothfuss did come out publicly recently and say she's seen essentially nothing since the last book, and his claims of chapters and chapters are totally false as far as she is concerned.
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# ? May 4, 2021 03:16 |
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nine-gear crow posted:In the run up to A Dance with Dragons being published, there were some rumblings about his publishers getting chuffed that he was taking so loving long and the show's premiere was bearing down on everyone and raising tensions to just get SOMETHING out before the first episode aired on HBO. The generally accepted sequence of events is that Random House all but sent a pair of hired goons to his house and said "whatever you have finished, give it to us. Now." and they kind of forced GRRM to give them his 3/4s complete manuscript for ADWD and they published that as a complete* book. Hence why GRRM had so many "preview" chapters for The Winds of Winter handy, because they were originally intended to be in the previous book. Well they got to publish that Targaryen history book that probably sold literally 1/100 of what the last ASOIAF book did.
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# ? May 4, 2021 03:32 |
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Honest question, if the Publishers did absolutely nothing would there even be ADWD yet? Oh good, he’s already making plans to leave the house. https://twitter.com/GRRMspeaking/status/1388577724864811014
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# ? May 4, 2021 03:36 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:What I'm really morbidly curious about are what his publishers think. Like are there any leaks from people in the industry? Do they honestly really believe he is still going to write another book, let alone finish the series? The closest I can think of is Ty Franck, the long-suffering GM lackey, who said GM taught him a lot about the business of writing, but actual writing? Not so much.
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# ? May 4, 2021 05:58 |
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Woodpile posted:The closest I can think of is Ty Franck, the long-suffering GM lackey, who said GM taught him a lot about the business of writing, but actual writing? Not so much. That's because Ty actually wound up writing 9 whole books in a relatively timely manner. GRRM did not.
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# ? May 4, 2021 07:24 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well they got to publish that Targaryen history book that probably sold literally 1/100 of what the last ASOIAF book did. I do think if TWoW ever came out it would sell pretty well. No matter how badly people felt disillusioned by the show's ending, the series as a whole has a gargantuan fanbase now compared to ten years ago. It'd be easy to market it as the "true" next chapter in the story. I think writing a massive tome (and planning a second) about the Targs was a huge loving mistake. Even if he didn't actually write much (any?) of it himself it was a massive waste of time. The vast majority of readers don't care about the history of that family beyond their involvement in the immediate narrative, and I don't think people will tune in to a show about them either.
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# ? May 4, 2021 11:39 |
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stev posted:I do think if TWoW ever came out it would sell pretty well. No matter how badly people felt disillusioned by the show's ending, the series as a whole has a gargantuan fanbase now compared to ten years ago. It'd be easy to market it as the "true" next chapter in the story. But it allowed him to sign a new deal with HBO and sell them a second (and third and fourth...) show, so clearly it was a great business decision.
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# ? May 4, 2021 11:42 |
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The more time goes by the clearer it is that GRRM was always a TV hustler who happened to find a second career writing novels. Cause yeah from a business perspective GRRM has absolutely played maximum profit for minimum effort for 21 straight years now.
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# ? May 4, 2021 11:52 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, hell, I was speculating back in like 2008-ish that GRRM probably wouldn't even be alive in 2021, so I'm pleasantly surprised by at least one metric of my ASoIaF predictions. GRRM dying would provide a conclusion of sorts, you should have seen this coming.
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# ? May 4, 2021 11:53 |
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Now I want a fourth wall breaking ending where the characters become aware that the world is ending as the author slowly dies. Maybe thats what the White Walkers were all along.
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# ? May 4, 2021 11:58 |
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Maybe the real White Walkers were the friends we made along the way.
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# ? May 4, 2021 12:13 |
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stev posted:Now I want a fourth wall breaking ending where the characters become aware that the world is ending as the author slowly dies. If ASoIaF were suddenly taken over by Stephen King, this is probably unironically what would happen. Bran would end up possessed by the spirit of the author, so it makes perfect sense that he writes himself as King (no pun intended?) in the ending.
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:30 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:ADWD only even came out at all because the publishers still had power over him at the time and basically grabbed the manuscript out of his hands right? Because lmao that he had to cut out not one but two climactic battles. Like 1/3 of Winds will be stuff that was meant to be in the last book. I still think he refuses to spilt TWOW into 2 books because he currently has a contract for 7 books and if he needs an 8th book his publisher would be able to renegotiate his contract and say say we need something by X date or we'll sue. Like you'd think a bunch of his friends just dying from old age stuff a few were COVID but most of them were just stuff that happens when you get old would make him knuckle down and write. He clearly gives enough of a gently caress to argue with D&D and storm off the show writing process SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 04:33 on May 5, 2021 |
# ? May 5, 2021 04:29 |
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SirKibbles posted:I still think he refuses to spilt TWOW into 2 books because he currently has a contract for 7 books and if he needs an 8th book his publisher would be able to renegotiate his contract and say say we need something by X date or we'll sue. The best they could sue for is the return of his advance, which can't be that large. relative to the many sources of TV income he has now.
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# ? May 5, 2021 04:31 |
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pseudanonymous posted:The best they could sue for is the return of his advance, which can't be that large. relative to the many sources of TV income he has now. But like there's no other logical reason not to just do 8, if he just wants money that's more money, if he wants the story to be decent that needs another book. It's like he's simultaneously concerned about his LEGACY and completely nonplussed that he's literally running out of time AND refuses to just get a ghost writer and write the books the same way he did F&B and TWOIAF It's maddening edit: Like I don't want to sound unsympathetic to a guy who just lost like 6+ long time friends but my dude death is knocking pick a lane and go for it. As a procrastinator myself I get it but this is the life equivalent of there's 3 hours until the project is due. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 04:40 on May 5, 2021 |
# ? May 5, 2021 04:37 |
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SirKibbles posted:But like there's no other logical reason not to just do 8, if he just wants money that's more money, if he wants the story to be decent that needs another book. an extra book is extra words he has to not write
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# ? May 5, 2021 04:46 |
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he is not writing, he is on a jet ski with beautiful models. there will never be another book
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# ? May 5, 2021 10:12 |
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SirKibbles posted:edit: Like I don't want to sound unsympathetic to a guy who just lost like 6+ long time friends but my dude death is knocking pick a lane and go for it. As a procrastinator myself I get it but this is the life equivalent of there's 3 hours until the project is due.
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# ? May 5, 2021 10:24 |
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kalvanoo posted:he is not writing, he is on a jet ski with beautiful models. there will never be another book And you know what? Good for him. I hope he enjoys it.
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# ? May 5, 2021 11:06 |
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mind the walrus posted:What boggles my mind is that it can't possibly be about the money at this point, he really is that averse to tending to his cash cow. It's possible he just doesn't have it in him anymore. You see it all the time. There are tons of examples of creative types just losing their spark and either putting out mediocre work or disappearing. Maybe he just can't do it anymore, and his ego won't let him get a ghost writer to help. Son of a Vondruke! fucked around with this message at 12:13 on May 5, 2021 |
# ? May 5, 2021 12:08 |
nine-gear crow posted:And you know what? Good for him. I hope he enjoys it. This is the acceptance stage of grieving. Truly the bad thread is dying.
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# ? May 5, 2021 12:10 |
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Son of a Vondruke! posted:It's possible he just doesn't have it in him anymore. You see it all the time. There are tons of examples of creative types just losing their spark and either putting out mediocre work or disappearing. Maybe he just can't do it anymore, and his ego won't let him get a ghost writer to help. He's also not good at endings and bringing things together, and he created a total mess of plot threads, so it would take a lot of work to bring everything together in a meaningful way that makes sense and doesn't involve the sort of fast traveling nonsense Season 8 engaged in. He probably doesn't want to have people wait 10 more years and then have another book which is only a disappointment, he's sort of trapped by his own success, though given how bad the shows ending was he actually has a pretty low bar to get over.
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# ? May 5, 2021 13:59 |
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Cavelcade posted:This is the acceptance stage of grieving. Truly the bad thread is dying. I dunno, I just find something weirdly inspiring about doing barely half a job, getting a huge loving payout for it, and then letting two unrelated and inherently hateable morons take the rap for your cockup and riding off into the sunset scot-free. The lazy bastard in me finds that story appealing.
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# ? May 6, 2021 00:59 |
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But GRRM isn’t blowing off working to go have fun in a cool way. He’s blowing off working to be a creepy rear end in a top hat at conventions and edit Wild Cards.
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