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Jazerus posted:the solution to this whole problem was to get over their misplaced unwillingness to ever steal anything, pull off some kind of modest heist (maybe on criminals??), and put david up in a sketchy apartment by having him morph an adult part-time. this would give him the freedom he wants while tying him financially to them, at least temporarily. hopefully enough time to get david on board for real. Getting David an apartment and a job by morphing an adult would be HILARIOUS though. Imagine working some barista or retail job where you have to take a ten-minute break every two hours so you can demorph and remorph, but constantly getting busy or stuck with a customer. So much tension for such mundane situations!
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# ? May 4, 2021 22:58 |
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Is it possible for a nothlit to regain morphing powers with the Escafil device? It would be a useful way to get rid of an identity, though permanently.
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:30 |
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dungeon cousin posted:Is it possible for a nothlit to regain morphing powers with the Escafil device? It would be a useful way to get rid of an identity, though permanently. feels like the risk of becoming a nothlit wouldn't be a big deal to Andalites if they could just be picked up by their crew and slapped on a blue cube to return to normal
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:41 |
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dungeon cousin posted:Is it possible for a nothlit to regain morphing powers with the Escafil device? It would be a useful way to get rid of an identity, though permanently. A nothlit can't regain morphing powers. He or she is stuck in that morph permanently.
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:47 |
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dungeon cousin posted:Is it possible for a nothlit to regain morphing powers with the Escafil device? It would be a useful way to get rid of an identity, though permanently. Elfangor's reaction to whatsisname being a Taxxon nothlit doesn't make too much sense if it's easily reversible with a standard issue blue box. Especially since even the difficulty of "well he still has to morph back to Taxxon every two hours..." can be ignored because he could simply nothlit himself a second time as whatever "base" species he wanted, then re-Escafil himself. I think nothlit-ism is permanent, barring Ellimists or whatever loophole about "natural morphing" saved Cassie.
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:50 |
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Animorphs Book 21-The Threat, Chapter 25quote:Tobias came swooping down to land beside me on the back of the truck. “Follow him,” I said tersely. “But don’t let him see you. Ax and I will follow.” Good point about fear there, I think. Chapter 26 quote:I swooped down toward that window. Or the hole that had once been a window. So this isn't good. I mean, David is right that there's no real happy ending for him. But he's also so wrong it hurts.
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# ? May 5, 2021 03:56 |
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So how come Flowers By Irene across the street over there never noticed Fuschia tude fucked around with this message at 07:14 on May 5, 2021 |
# ? May 5, 2021 07:11 |
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Big thanks to David for letting everyone know he's just a sociopath and too dangerous to be left alive so there's no moral ambiguity anymore.
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# ? May 5, 2021 08:23 |
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Yeah, up until this point David's actions were understandable, given the circumstances. But not so much anymore.
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# ? May 5, 2021 08:47 |
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Honestly kind of #TeamDavid at this point. He's going too far where we're at but he's absolutely right that everything in his life has gone to poo poo since Marco wandered up to him at school that first day, and that they've made basically every wrong step they could have in dealing with him since. Hard to blame him for snapping here given that he's lost everything and the people that are "supposed" to be helping him have been this way so far. Like David says, Jake was the one that started with threats, he's just responding in kind
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# ? May 5, 2021 08:56 |
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I think we are kind of hitting the limits of Animorphs here. David's sudden turn from rear end in a top hat to straight up sociopath is foreshadowed, with the whole "Its not illegal if a bird does it", but still, doing it in the span of three books really doesn't do it justice and feels kinda rushed. Basically, David needs to be an irrevocably bad guy by the end of book two and that is too soon. He should have stayed on the team for a couple of books and gradually becoming disillusioned with them and their guerilla war. That being said, the whole sequence with him collapsing in his first real fight, trying to turn it around and Jake's perspective on it is pretty drat excellent! e X fucked around with this message at 14:15 on May 10, 2021 |
# ? May 5, 2021 11:49 |
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"I can't believe this guy would strike out on his own and attack the friend I had tracking him after my friends ruined his life, made him feel like an outsider, and then I made overt threats to him!" Honestly the core Animorphs come across like poo poo over these last couple of books and are lucky David doesn't just get them all killed or enslaved outright. They'd deserve it
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# ? May 5, 2021 12:00 |
Counterpoint they're guerrillas fighting to save earth and all of humanity and some lovely little kid is mad he doesn't fit in right away lol
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# ? May 5, 2021 12:28 |
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This is such a great eerie scene. Golden eagle perched in a ruined house at night silently watching the flickering lights of a TV set.SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Counterpoint they're guerrillas fighting to save earth and all of humanity and some lovely little kid is mad he doesn't fit in right away lol Yeah this is my opinion, suck it the gently caress up and deal with it, David quote:Let Rachel look down her pretty nose at me? Incel alert
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# ? May 5, 2021 13:05 |
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freebooter posted:Incel alert He's 12
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# ? May 5, 2021 14:03 |
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Terror Sweat posted:He's 12 14.
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# ? May 5, 2021 14:08 |
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Everyone who's not having sex at this exact moment is an incel
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# ? May 5, 2021 14:30 |
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If this YA series about mind control and young teens that could turn into animals was even slightly focused on sex we would likely have much bigger problems.
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# ? May 5, 2021 14:51 |
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Fuschia tude posted:So how come Flowers By Irene across the street over there never noticed I choose to believe one of the Yeerks wound up with Shaggy as a host and now there's a bunch of humans and Hork-Bajir hot boxing the van.
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# ? May 5, 2021 15:19 |
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David is poo poo but its a believable kind of poo poo, same for the Animorphs. They're kids and they're bad at it. The consequences are magnified because of their circumstances. David should be sucking it up and getting serious but some people aren't capable of adapting to the kind of introduction he had.
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# ? May 5, 2021 16:30 |
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Aren't they all still explicitly not in high school yet?
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# ? May 5, 2021 16:33 |
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Fuschia tude posted:Aren't they all still explicitly not in high school yet? Right. They're in junior high school, so 13, 14, like that.
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# ? May 5, 2021 19:24 |
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Animorphs Book 21-The Threat, Chapter 27quote:The golden eagle was huge! The wings seemed to fill the room. The talons, raked forward and opened wide, would rip me open in a flash. I know Rachel lives closest, but note he said "Get Rachel" and not "Get Cassie" or "Get Marco". Chapter 28 quote:He saw me. He knew he was stronger than me in the air, but still he flew on. Jake probably regrets he didn't get to keep that T-Rex book. Next book starts tomorrow, and it promises to be The Solution
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# ? May 6, 2021 04:14 |
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Epicurius posted:Animorphs Book 21-The Threat, Chapter 27 I like these split-second moments where they take actions the animals never would have thought of. I feel like they haven't been quite as common as they could have been.
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# ? May 6, 2021 05:21 |
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Pretty impressive on David's part to beat jake when he has no combat experience. He's not dumb either, would have been a good addition to the team if he wasn't evil.
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# ? May 6, 2021 05:52 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Pretty impressive on David's part to beat jake when he has no combat experience. He's not dumb either, would have been a good addition to the team if he wasn't evil. If David had been there right from the start, he would have been a good middle ground between Marco and Rachel in terms of the cowardly-dangerous-creative trifecta. A slightly more edgy Tobias whose first POV book's arc would be all about loving around and finding out in order to become a proper productive member of the team. The circumstances of his introduction into the plot and the main team's inability to handle it properly doomed him to failure immediately.
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# ? May 6, 2021 06:21 |
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This is such a great climax. And one of the best examples of the eerie juxtaposition of their hosed-up sci-fi alien shapeshifting lives against ordinary American suburbia. Like, it's a kids' book so KA isn't writing super evocatively, but both when I read it as a kid and when I read it now I can really see the bird-boys and Hork Bajir and an Andalite facing off beside a suburban pool at night. Because although I'm not American suburbia is more or less the same all over the world, and I have a plenty of personal memories of being around quiet backyard swimming pools at night - which was one of the masterstrokes of these books, and I guess of all superhero and superhero-adjacent stories, that kids can easily put themselves in the main characters' shoes. And the hyper-weirdness of Jake as a tiger, fighting another Animorph as a lion, on the roof of the mall, and being shoved onto the skylight and suddenly getting a lit-up glimpse of ~American Brands~ (TM). I love that. Fuschia tude posted:I like these split-second moments where they take actions the animals never would have thought of. I feel like they haven't been quite as common as they could have been. This was great too - before this chapter I was trying to remember how Jake got out of this scrape, and I remembered Ax eventually scooping him up and bailing but couldn't remember how he escaped Imminent Eagle Death. And the actual answer is better than anything I could've thought of.
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quote:<Whoa! I didn’t know you could do that!> I said. This is one of the lines I still remembered from my first read through and it's still great.
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I choose to believe that no Andalite has ever tried to jump backwards over anything instead of Ax just never having done it.
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Animorphs Book 22-The Solution, Chapter 1quote:My name is Rachel. So, we've got Ax's summary of the last book there, and confirmation, in Rachel's mind, at least, that Jake had Ax get her because he wanted someone who wouldn't hesitate to kill David. Chapter 2 quote:I had eyes that saw every blade of grass beneath me. Eyes that noted every small, scurrying rodent hiding in darkness. But I was blind. So she's definitely out for revenge now, as David killed her bird boyfriend and seems to have mortally wounded her cousin. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 8, 2021 |
# ? May 7, 2021 04:27 |
i always thought that jake sent for rachel because she was close to tobias, not because he thinks she's the most brutal, personally
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# ? May 7, 2021 05:33 |
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Epicurius posted:So she's definitely out for revenge now, as David killed her bird boyfriend and seems to have mortally wounded her cousin. Again, I'm always surprised how much of this I don't remember. Jazerus posted:i always thought that jake sent for rachel because she was close to tobias, not because he thinks she's the most brutal, personally I mean, that's pretty much the same thing, just one step removed. Ultimately, that she was picked, "because she lives closest", is just authorial fiat. It's not like this anonymized town/city has a map the authors need to follow carefully. She was picked next
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# ? May 7, 2021 06:01 |
Fwiw I don't remember the "she's closest" line at all. I thought it was pretty clear that Jake called on her because there was killing to be done.
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# ? May 7, 2021 06:26 |
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Jake does say that she lives close by first, though.quote:<No. We can’t lose him!> I said. <Don’t follow me. Get help. Get Rachel, she lives close. She can use her owl morph to find us. Maybe.>
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# ? May 7, 2021 07:19 |
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"Get Rachel. She lives close." could but does not necessarily mean "Get Rachel because she lives close." It's just as possible that "We may need to so something terrible. Get Rachel." meant "We may need to do something terrible so get Rachel."
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# ? May 7, 2021 08:34 |
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Yeah I think "Get Rachel because we need to do a murder" is very clearly the subtext, if not actual text. It's part of the thread flowing through the entire series that concludes when Jake sends Rachel to kill Tom (finale spoilers)
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# ? May 7, 2021 10:28 |
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Yeah, the other option for killing without hesitation or regret is Cassie, and if she's decided someone needs to die she's not waiting for Jake's say-so to do it.
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# ? May 7, 2021 12:26 |
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This one is, for my money, the best of the David books. And perhaps the last great Rachel book.
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# ? May 7, 2021 12:54 |
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Rachel doesn't live "closest", she lives close. I definitely read that as "I may need her to commit a murder" and the "she lives close" provides some a) justification for delaying Ax coming with him, since she's close and it won't be far out of his way and b) gives him some mental space from the idea that he's immediately leaping to Rachel as his murder weapon. He doesn't think about who is closest and go from there, he thinks about Rachel and then thinks about whether actually getting her is feasible, ie, that she IS close. Hypothetically, if she wasn't, I think that thought goes "get Rachel - wait, she's across town and we don't have time"
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Cythereal posted:Yeah, the other option for killing without hesitation or regret is Cassie, and if she's decided someone needs to die she's not waiting for Jake's say-so to do it. The find a dead lion covered in bite marks from a wolf. Cassie strolls put of the nearest shop with some newly acqured, hideous jeans. "Had to be done"
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