Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
fritz
Jul 26, 2003

dsign 2 hours ago [–]

I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly advocating for evacuating all humans from Earth as soon as possible and creating a full-planet environmental reserve?
It's not like there is not enough matter in the solar system to create our own lush ecosystems...
reply

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
They prefer to be called "people of wealth"

mystes
May 31, 2006

fritz posted:

dsign 2 hours ago [–]

I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly advocating for evacuating all humans from Earth as soon as possible and creating a full-planet environmental reserve?
It's not like there is not enough matter in the solar system to create our own lush ecosystems...
reply
Huh, weird how environmentalists aren't as optimistic about the possibility of terraforming as HN posters.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

fritz posted:

dsign 2 hours ago [–]

I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly advocating for evacuating all humans from Earth as soon as possible and creating a full-planet environmental reserve?
It's not like there is not enough matter in the solar system to create our own lush ecosystems...
reply

negative iq high school student

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

hmm maintaining this lush ecosystem is too difficult. instead lets create a bunch of lush ecosystems from scratch maybe someday

e: i guess it makes sense when you think of these people as the types to drink soylent and take 20 bullshit pills a day for life extension instead of ever exercising, eating food not from a package, or not staring at screens 20 hours a day

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

Penisface posted:

but in this case wouldn't it be trivial for me to figure out which segments are ads by streaming one video 2-3 times in parallel and ditching the segments that do not match (i.e. the parts of the video stream that are dynamic and probably ads)?

It's not quite that easy. In a sorta naive case yeah, you can do that, but now you need people to give you that data (that is, tell Mr. Adblock what porn they're watching) and then you need infrastructure to collate that information (because I assume you have sticky cohorts--I do not regret this phrase--so you show person X the same segments every time) and somebody has to pay for it. That will be expensive. Beyond that there are technical concerns, for example when dealing with streams with adaptive bitrates--who's to say that the video for rendition X wasn't re-encoded at a higher quality after ingest, that sort of thing. It's even pretty vulnerable to just renaming segment files' URLs. If you've already downloaded them and hashed them, that's a pretty big bandwidth hog and you run the risk of downloading the ad segments, throwing them away, and having to buffer the video instead of showing the ad.

(this is the industry I work in but I don't know anything in particular about my company or about serving ads in general)

tracecomplete fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 29, 2021

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

Oh, and in the near future we've got ways to make it so you can click on ads in videos, more or less. You've always been able to sort-of do it (YouTube has done callout cards forever) but stuff like program date/time makes syncing up events outside the player (translation: ads) much easier and players are adding more options for "rich content" (translation: ads) to provide you a more connected and immersive experience (translation: ads).

technology is amazing!

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


tracecomplete posted:

Oh, and in the near future we've got ways to make it so you can click on ads in videos, more or less. You've always been able to sort-of do it (YouTube has done callout cards forever) but stuff like program date/time makes syncing up events outside the player (translation: ads) much easier and players are adding more options for "rich content" (translation: ads) to provide you a more connected and immersive experience (translation: ads).

technology is amazing!

yeah but i am thinking that anything that feeds a video stream as we know it now to some consumer - be it youtube frontend, vlc, youtube-dl - basically can not force any "events" on the consumer. this requires a whole new video transmission protocol which makes the stream kind of like a dvd menu where you have the possibility to make the user interact with the video content


tracecomplete posted:

It's not quite that easy. In a sorta naive case yeah, you can do that, but now you need people to give you that data (that is, tell Mr. Adblock what porn they're watching) and then you need infrastructure to collate that information (because I assume you have sticky cohorts--I do not regret this phrase--so you show person X the same segments every time) and somebody has to pay for it. That will be expensive. Beyond that there are technical concerns, for example when dealing with streams with adaptive bitrates--who's to say that the video for rendition X wasn't re-encoded at a higher quality after ingest, that sort of thing. It's even pretty vulnerable to just renaming segment files' URLs. If you've already downloaded them and hashed them, that's a pretty big bandwidth hog and you run the risk of downloading the ad segments, throwing them away, and having to buffer the video instead of showing the ad.

(this is the industry I work in but I don't know anything in particular about my company or about serving ads in general)

the way i would try to implement this is that i would pre-fetch the segments and at first just train a neural network to look at the keyframes of every segment and try to guess if it's an ad or not. i guess crowdsourcing some ad signatures - haas transform vectors - would be easy and nobody needs to reveal what porn they watch

originally i thought that i would just try to fetch the same video from two different cdns to make it look like two different people are watching the same video, and then basically only keep the segments that match between the two but yeah idk if it would work

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Penisface posted:

yeah but i am thinking that anything that feeds a video stream as we know it now to some consumer - be it youtube frontend, vlc, youtube-dl - basically can not force any "events" on the consumer. this requires a whole new video transmission protocol which makes the stream kind of like a dvd menu where you have the possibility to make the user interact with the video content


the way i would try to implement this is that i would pre-fetch the segments and at first just train a neural network to look at the keyframes of every segment and try to guess if it's an ad or not. i guess crowdsourcing some ad signatures - haas transform vectors - would be easy and nobody needs to reveal what porn they watch

originally i thought that i would just try to fetch the same video from two different cdns to make it look like two different people are watching the same video, and then basically only keep the segments that match between the two but yeah idk if it would work

the hackernews is coming from inside the thread

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

slightly paraphrased but a good post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26993445 posted:

startups are just temporarily embarrassed FAANGs

dilandau
Apr 30, 2021

quote:

33 minutes ago [–]

I'm really curious to see how this ends up doing vs. Hasura.
Postgrest (which is basically what Supabase is, obviously with other value-adds) or Hasura which basically exposes a GraphQL server that interfaces with Postgres.

Personally I prefer GraphQL as there's more tooling around that compared to Postgrest but it's interesting to see. In this case if supabase was GraphQL you could just use a subscription.

I'd be curious to know why supabase didn't go with GraphQL.

webshit war against sql is escalating in new and awful directions. the hammer in question bills itself as

quote:

Listen to your to PostgreSQL database in realtime via websockets. Built with Elixir.

animist
Aug 28, 2018
you'd think they wouldn't mind working with tables since all webshit is basically just laying out tables and slapping on some css

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Exciting Lemon
whooooole lot of dumb motherfuckers on HN tonight defending a list of funny ethnic customer names as totally professional

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

ethnic name humor reached its peak after the asiana crash, it should no longer exist

mystes
May 31, 2006

Less Fat Luke posted:

whooooole lot of dumb motherfuckers on HN tonight defending a list of funny ethnic customer names as totally professional
I couldn't even read that thread, it was too terrible.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



the whole point of this thread is that you don't have to read hn to laugh at it

mystes
May 31, 2006

Achmed Jones posted:

the whole point of this thread is that you don't have to read hn to laugh at it
That works a lot better if you actually post the funny bits from the thread rather than just posting that the thread was funny.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



that's true. but i won't get that far bc i rely on this thread to be my hn filter

Gun Metal Cray
Apr 27, 2005

Pillbug

fritz posted:

dsign 2 hours ago [–]

I can't wrap my head around environmentalists. If they really understand that anything we do perturbs the environment--and it does--, why are they not openly advocating for evacuating all humans from Earth as soon as possible and creating a full-planet environmental reserve?
It's not like there is not enough matter in the solar system to create our own lush ecosystems...
reply

Powerful junior developer energy here

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Gun Metal Cray posted:

Powerful junior developer energy here

just download more ram so the entire dataset fits in memory, easy peasy

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Mordisquitos 17 minutes ago [–]

On the other hand, one could argue that if the dishwasher manufacturer's intention was indeed to prevent user refills, they would have known to already implement their own strict "DRM-style" technological limitations, drawing from the history of printer cartridges. The fact that they haven't may well be a sign of good faith.
reply

mystes
May 31, 2006

fritz posted:

Mordisquitos 17 minutes ago [–]

On the other hand, one could argue that if the dishwasher manufacturer's intention was indeed to prevent user refills, they would have known to already implement their own strict "DRM-style" technological limitations, drawing from the history of printer cartridges. The fact that they haven't may well be a sign of good faith.
reply
What a bizarre take.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

mystes posted:

What a bizarre take.

hacker news!



bluGill 34 days ago [–]

There are only two temperatures it is valid to test range at: -50c, and +50c (120f). The extremes matter because the 1% of the time when you are in the extreme you need to know real numbers, not ideal ones. When the weather is potentially deadly if you run out of power you need to plan to ensure that you have enough range to safely make it to the recharge station.
Hopefully you never have to deal with the above extremes, but if you do the car better be there for you.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

mystes posted:

What a bizarre take.

is it? i know ge refrigerators use drm on the filter cartridges which are exactly the same as their older cartridges except with a chip. im not saying the guy is right that they arent trying to screw over the user and i dont know the full context but the poster seems at least technically correct that the fact that the manufacturer didnt do this could be construed as a sign that it wasnt their intention

its even framed in the form of "i dont believe this but" with the whole "one could argue" after all god knows these people love technically correct but actually wrong

fritz posted:

hacker news!



bluGill 34 days ago [–]

There are only two temperatures it is valid to test range at: -50c, and +50c (120f). The extremes matter because the 1% of the time when you are in the extreme you need to know real numbers, not ideal ones. When the weather is potentially deadly if you run out of power you need to plan to ensure that you have enough range to safely make it to the recharge station.
Hopefully you never have to deal with the above extremes, but if you do the car better be there for you.

isnt this exactly the argument for idiot lights rather than gauges?

mystes
May 31, 2006

LastInLine posted:

is it? i know ge refrigerators use drm on the filter cartridges which are exactly the same as their older cartridges except with a chip. im not saying the guy is right that they arent trying to screw over the user and i dont know the full context but the poster seems at least technically correct that the fact that the manufacturer didnt do this could be construed as a sign that it wasnt their intention

its even framed in the form of "i dont believe this but" with the whole "one could argue" after all god knows these people love technically correct but actually wrong
If they don't want to prevent people from refilling the cartridges they could, you know, give the option to use the cartridge after a warning or offer an option to reset it from within the device. If you have to reverse engineer the format of the data stored to flash memory and write a program to reset it yourself, that doesn't exactly seem to suggest that they wanted people to be able to refill the cartridges even if they theoretically could have made it even harder to do this.

It's like concluding that someone was inviting you to break into their house because they theoretically could have bought a fancier lock.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

LastInLine posted:

the fact that the manufacturer didnt do this could be construed as a sign that it wasnt their intention

nah. the dishwasher manufacturer is seeing all these subscription and service businesses popping up for everything from music to toothbrushes and salivating over the idea of locking people into their particular brand of soap. they haven't done it yet because that's still a step too far and people would reject it -- not because they don't want to.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

im not saying youre both not correct, im saying that the hn poster with autism making the argument isnt unexpected.

mystes posted:

If they don't want to prevent people from refilling the cartridges they could, you know, give the option to use the cartridge after a warning or offer an option to reset it from within the device. If you have to reverse engineer the format of the data stored to flash memory and write a program to reset it yourself, that doesn't exactly seem to suggest that they wanted people to be able to refill the cartridges even if they theoretically could have made it even harder to do this.

It's like concluding that someone was inviting you to break into their house because they theoretically could have bought a fancier lock.

i also didnt know this context which okay thats p. explicit about their intentions

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

I think they just figured anyone dumb and lazy enough to buy a dishwasher with detergent cartridges wouldn't be motivated enough to actually pick up a soldering iron to defeat the device.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

the trick would be to (practically) give them away to landlords/condo developers

mystes
May 31, 2006

lqet 43 minutes ago [–]

As a German, I just realized that my intuitive understanding of the (seemingly English) word "glitch" seems to be far better than that of native English speakers, because the Yiddisch word "glitshn" comes from German "glitschen", which comes from "gleiten" - to slide, slip. So to me, it always meant exactly that: the program slipped and fell

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

totalZero 16 hours ago [–]

US investment is the single greatest causal factor for prosperity in Latin America. Look at Panama and Chile, for example. In fact, the midas touch of American investment is visible in several other places outside of the Americas, including Taiwan and South Korea.
In my view, it is hard to label the immense prosperity-inducing capacity of United States foreign investment as bad-faith or unfair dealing. Cuba's government has spent years working on projects to attract spend-happy American tourists. Elsewhere in the region, entire countries base their economies around remittances from the USA. The US government could crack down on remittances and illegal immigration far more than already happens, but it does not, and millions of people in the region benefit as a result.
Respectfully, it takes a great deal of time, study, and travel to learn the dynamics involved in a region before you can say with confidence that Influence A is good and Influence B is bad. People who lean left in the US should understand that 'socialist' isn't a catch-all phrase; it means something different when you're voting for Bernie Sanders in the Iowa Caucuses than it does when you're bartering with your uncle for soap in Camaguey. I have been all over Latin America and I personally still don't consider myself to know all there is to know about the region. What I do know is that the "USA bad" narrative tends rarely to be accompanied with a discussion of the counterfactual universe where American influence is hypothetically absent from the region.
reply

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

gently caress that motherfucker

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

dads friend steve posted:

gently caress that motherfucker

Seriously. Everybody here should the C-SPAM LatAm thread some time. You have to meter yourself though, I can only make it about two or three pages at a time before I feel like I'm about to black out from rage.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

fritz posted:

totalZero 16 hours ago [–]

US investment is the single greatest causal factor for prosperity in Latin America. Look at Panama and Chile, for example.

sounds like a





total zero

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

mystes posted:

lqet 43 minutes ago [–]

As a German, I just realized that my intuitive understanding of the (seemingly English) word "glitch" seems to be far better than that of native English speakers, because the Yiddisch word "glitshn" comes from German "glitschen", which comes from "gleiten" - to slide, slip. So to me, it always meant exactly that: the program slipped and fell

That.. that's a cute folk etymology?

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Plenty of hot takes in the incel thread (big loving surprise). Just look for "sexual marketplace" and similar terms, or :females:

quote:

spoonjim 14 hours ago [–]

Essentially, what we have right now in the sexual marketplace echoes what we have in the economy... a lot of the sex is being had by a small fraction of the people. The need for sex is perhaps as high as the need for money but nobody talks about this crushing inequality, perhaps because there is no practical way to “tax and redistribute” sex. The problem is worse for men since a man needs a certain set of skills and traits to get casual sex, but is probably equally bad for the genders in terms of finding long term relationships.

When social norms dictated that you must be married to have sex, every woman and man paired off and got to have sex, however low quality and in however unhappy of a marriage. I’m not sure this world is an improvement.

Is sexual freedom actually worse than forced marriage and sexual obligation? Nobody knows!


quote:

tryonenow 11 hours ago [–]

I really take offense to the notion that simply for criticizing the feminist movement or acknowledging the romantic power dynamic, I "resent women". Nor have I implied that "this one thing gives women all of the power". Neither of these are arguments, instead they are cheap, disingenuous dismissals which only stifle meaningful discussion.

I am merely explaining that this is a particular domain over which women have massively disproportionate power, however feminists refuse to acknowledge the existence of this power while claiming to be in pursuit of social equality.

A movement which seeks to re-engineer social norms in pursuit of "equality" is bound to disenfranchise men if this power dynamic is ignored. The result is movements like "incels". None of this implies that men are entitled to access to female bodies, but there is an inescapable give and take. If women are to be treated the same as men in all domains, then restructuring romantic interactions while maintaining the onus on men to bear the brunt of initiation and rejection unfairly shifts the power dynamic in favor of women.

And this has consequences for women too. Indirectly, in that frustrated men are likely to withdraw and/or become antisocial (criminally or violently). And directly in that it shifts the dating dynamic toward hypergamy, where many females compete for a small proportion of men. Though perhaps there is an argument that some or most women prefer a polygamist arrangement, but I don't know if that's the case and it certainly is detrimental to men. Monogamy is a social norm which maximizes romantic equity for both men and women, not merely a patriarchal construct. Regardless of the argument of bodily autonomy, the romantic/social marketplace is an economy and can be modeled with the same sort of inequality measures that we apply to financial economies, with consequences for the function and overall happiness of society.

Literally "women withholding sex from men turns them violent and antisocial, so it's the women's own fault".

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

mystes posted:

lqet 43 minutes ago [–]

As a German, I just realized that my intuitive understanding of the (seemingly English) word "glitch" seems to be far better than that of native English speakers, because the Yiddisch word "glitshn" comes from German "glitschen", which comes from "gleiten" - to slide, slip. So to me, it always meant exactly that: the program slipped and fell

help! i've fallen and i can't get up

[ debug ] [ terminate grandma ]

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
The current top comment on an article about the challenges of allowing multiple skin tones on the handshake emoji:

Thorentis 1 hour ago [–]

Why couldn't we just have stuck with yellow? Introducing skin tone provided no advantage and just opened a can of worms.

reply

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
I'm with them there, there shouldn't be an explicit skin tone in emojis, that's weird

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
I disagree and think they are important. Here are a few good posts from that thread that explain why:

lucas_codes 1 hour ago [–]

Although yellow seems like it's good for everyone (since no one is actually yellow), it ends up still representing the majority. Just look at the Simpsons - all the characters are yellow, but not Apu.

Also skin tone options are extremely popular with people of colour - probably because they feel the default yellow doesn't represent them.

reply

FroshKiller 1 hour ago | unvote [–]

Thanks to white supremacy, what should not matter actually does matter quite a bit, and white people paying lip service to the idea that "skin color does not matter" without acknowledging the history of how it has been made to matter and taking the actions required to make it not matter again just perpetuates white supremacy.

reply

hnbad 1 hour ago [–]

It shouldn't matter. But it turns out being "color blind" (a term which I, a person with deuteranomaly, loathe) actually means you also lose the language to talk about racism that still exists for now.

It also encourages you to think of yourself as enlightened and rational and not subject to racist biases that are woven throughout the culture you exist in. It creates a false dichotomy between "those racists" who do racist things because they have racist thoughts and "color blind me" who is not a racist because I can't possibly have racist thoughts and thus am actually incapable of doing a racism. This is a thought-terminating cliché that prevents changing "racists" (by essentializing their racism as an inherent trait of who they are) or reflecting on how your own behavior might feed into racist systems you exist within (because if I'm not "a racist", accusing me of doing anything racist is clearly an insult to the integrity of my character).

There's a reason MLK said he had a dream. A world where skin color doesn't matter is the goal. But you don't get there by just deciding skin color doesn't matter to you and declaring the mission accomplished.

reply

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply