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Both England and France still have major hang-ups over their loss of empires, and you'll even find some Danes who think that somehow the Vikings had it all figured out, despite the fact that it was almost a thousand years ago and they thought having slaves were a pretty neat idea (to the shame of most modern-day Danes). Empire is a bad thing in general.
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Bucnasti posted:Do modern audiences have any idea what the French Foreign Legion is? They're still a legit thing you may run into if you're in the military and deployed. The FFL shows up in a lot of wars.
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May 4, 2021 15:53
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I know that the modern FFL still exists and is a thing, but from what I understand they're not all that different from other modern fmilitary forces. What I'm talking about is the Beau Guestes style of legionaires chilling in the sandy desert and wearing funny white hats with flaps on the back. When I was a kid that was a more recognizable trope then things like ninjas and samurai, but I haven't seen them portrayed in mainstream media since Brendan Fraisers first Mummy movie.
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May 4, 2021 16:28
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FreudianSlippers posted:About that.. I’m very impressed with France’s mighty empire
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May 4, 2021 16:35
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France still has territories, but it’s not killing people over them like it did in Algeria and Southeast Asia. Some I guess are considered part of France like French Guiana, so France shares a borders Brazil. I don’t know about their other colonial era possessions. The point being they’re not sending the FFL into these regions to kill native people in the name of liberté, egalité, and fraternité. Well, not as often anyway.
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May 4, 2021 18:05
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There was a Foreign Legion guy here who did an Ask/Tell thread a number of years ago, I can't find it now though.
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May 4, 2021 18:59
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Oh sure, everyone remembers the FRENCH Foreign Legion, but no-one ever remembers the SPANISH Foreign Legion. Does the French one march twice as fast as the rest of their armies? Do they have a goat in a little hat as a mascot? No, I didn't think so.
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May 4, 2021 19:23
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I don't think the Foreign Legion was referenced in popular culture because it was particular topical, I think it was a recognizable trope that just slid out of common use. Just about every reference I've ever seen was comical come to think of it, so it wasn't like it was something that was touching any serious nerves.
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May 4, 2021 19:42
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Elissimpark posted:Oh sure, everyone remembers the FRENCH Foreign Legion, but no-one ever remembers the SPANISH Foreign Legion.
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May 4, 2021 19:44
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Bucnasti posted:When I was a kid that was a more recognizable trope then things like ninjas and samurai, but I haven't seen them portrayed in mainstream media since Brendan Fraisers first Mummy movie. In 1966, Neil Simon, Cy Coleman, Dorothy Fields, and Bob Fosse decided to make a musical based on a Fellini movie, Nights of Cabiria, about a happy-go-lucky and downtrodden prostitute. However, a musical about a prostitute was a bridge too far, so the heroine, Charity Hope Valentine, is a taxi dancer. A what? You may ask. Well, back in the Barbary Coast days, when women were scarce, a bright soul had the idea of opening a dance hall where men bought drinks in order to dance with women. San Francisco passed a law forbidding alcohol from being sold at dance halls, so the dance halls rebranded to selling tickets to dance with women. The women were called "taxi dancers" because it was seen as like paying for a taxi. This spread across the country (ironically, San Francisco banned taxi dancing in 1921). Taxi dancers weren't sex workers, but they weren't not sex workers, either. Men (always men; women weren't admitted unless they were employees) paid to practice dancing, to have a friendly face to talk to, to rub off against, to make a date for later, all depending on the hall and the person. The Wikipedia writeup is great. Because taxi-dancing might be, but wasn't necessarily, deniable sex work, you could write titillating songs and movies about it; see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXcIEKyiAno "Ten Cents a Dance", as a song and a movie, and many others. In the dance hall, dancers stood behind a rope or a bar, enticing men to come and dance with them. Now you know the basis behind "Hey, Big Spender". Ironically, taxi dance halls were pretty much dead by the time Sweet Charity premiered. Few people now living remember them, except as they showed up in songs and movies.
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May 4, 2021 19:50
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We had something like that here when the county revoked liquor licenses from our local strip clubs. One became an 18+ nude juice bar and the other still sold booze, but let you dance/touch clothed ladies. If that sounds creepy, well it was and closed for good a week later after all the women quit. The other place lasted for years. It’s now a sushi bar which writes its own jokes.
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May 4, 2021 21:02
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AKA Pseudonym posted:I don't think the Foreign Legion was referenced in popular culture because it was particular topical, I think it was a recognizable trope that just slid out of common use. I think that there was at least one JCVD movie that started off with him in the FFL for one reason or another.
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May 5, 2021 01:32
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toplitzin posted:I think that there was at least one JCVD movie that started off with him in the FFL for one reason or another. Legionnaire and Lionheart both feature jcvd in the French foreign legion
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May 5, 2021 01:47
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I think France still has a law that if you get wounded in action in the FFL you automatically become a french citizen.
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May 5, 2021 03:42
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My Lovely Horse posted:Or expects. Dammit.
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May 5, 2021 07:02
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The Lone Badger posted:I think France still has a law that if you get wounded in action in the FFL you automatically become a french citizen. Do you mean serving in the French Foreign Legion and not becoming a citizen is a possibility? Or even, likely? Why the gently caress would anyone do it then?
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May 5, 2021 13:29
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Usually to disappear.
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May 5, 2021 13:44
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Some people like war.
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May 5, 2021 14:01
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Imagined posted:Do you mean serving in the French Foreign Legion and not becoming a citizen is a possibility? Or even, likely? Why the gently caress would anyone do it then?
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May 5, 2021 14:03
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think the point is that getting wounded gets you there immediately, instead of having to serve one or two decades or however long it is.
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May 5, 2021 15:07
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DACK FAYDEN posted:having looked this up on wikipedia yesterday when this discussion started, it's three years or you can be "French by spilled blood" instantly
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May 5, 2021 15:26
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From what I read serving a full term (or getting wounded while serving) automatically makes you eligible to apply for French citizenship, but doesn't automatically make you a citizen. I don't know what the normal criteria are for application but I'm guessing they're stringent or nobody would join the legion.
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May 5, 2021 16:32
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Bucnasti posted:From what I read serving a full term (or getting wounded while serving) automatically makes you eligible to apply for French citizenship, but doesn't automatically make you a citizen. I don't know what the normal criteria are for application but I'm guessing they're stringent or nobody would join the legion. I did see that citizenship is almost always granted, and you apparently have to be a tremendous fuckup to not get it.
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May 5, 2021 23:53
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The stereotype or trope is that the Foreign Legion is made up entirely of fuckups and fugitives. I'm not sure how much truth there is to that but when you see it in old media it's often used to show just how desperate a character is to get away from their situation.
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May 6, 2021 00:02
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Yeah I've always heard it portrayed it as a sort of permanent, division sized 'Dirty Dozen'.
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May 6, 2021 00:08
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Imagined posted:Do you mean serving in the French Foreign Legion and not becoming a citizen is a possibility? Or even, likely? Why the gently caress would anyone do it then? Until 1997 ghurkas were not given british residence even after serving a full career.
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May 6, 2021 00:46
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FreudianSlippers posted:The stereotype or trope is that the Foreign Legion is made up entirely of fuckups and fugitives. I don't know if this part is true, but I heard you could sign up under an assumed name and that finishing your service and becoming a citizen basically gave you a new identity.
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May 6, 2021 02:59
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I vaguely remember reading that used to be true, but it's a lot harder to do these days. You can't just show up with serious warrants and have that be ignored. But I should actually check before potentially being more wrong.
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May 6, 2021 06:00
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I might have confused it with the Roman system. Three years doesn’t sound that bad, ignoring that it’s supposedly not the most pleasant experience. Bucnasti posted:I don't know if this part is true, but I heard you could sign up under an assumed name and that finishing your service and becoming a citizen basically gave you a new identity.
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May 6, 2021 12:23
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The downside is that no one is going to miss the soldier for hire working under an assumed identity. I have no data to back this up, but I’m going to assume the mortality rate for the FFL is higher than the French Army*. * minus that massive outlier that was WW1
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May 6, 2021 16:35
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Do shoe-shine guys expert in nuances in complex cardio/theological cases still exist?
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May 6, 2021 17:20
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OctaviusBeaver posted:There was a Foreign Legion guy here who did an Ask/Tell thread a number of years ago, I can't find it now though. It’s been a couple of days, but I happened to run across that thread today, so here it is: Ask me about the French Foreign Legion
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May 6, 2021 23:14
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Total derail but holy poo poo are you the oldest goon now that we banned the pedophile Chicago cop some years back? Holy poo poo the cop was a pedophile? The guy who did the cops on the beat threads?
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May 10, 2021 07:39
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Holy poo poo the cop was a pedophile? The guy who did the cops on the beat threads? As I recall he made a few too many comments about "of course it's perfectly normal to get horned up over teenaged girls, that's when they're most attractive!" and the mods just got sick of it.
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May 10, 2021 07:44
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Here's the post the old goon cop made about how fuckable teenage girls are: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3663270&pagenumber=108&perpage=40#post435397851 And here's some choice commentary: Triticum Guzzler posted:First, I am 72. Second, technically it's ephebophilia. Triticum Guzzler posted:Three years removed from 69 here, so I can address this with the seriousness it deserves: I have a pokemon ranking scheme for paedophiles and actually what this guy did? It's super effective. Triticum Guzzler posted:TOKAII: When I was born- Triticum Guzzler posted:As a grandfather, here are my thoughts on child molestation: that's a 10-4 (police officer for please gently caress children)
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May 10, 2021 07:58
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loving gross. Thanks for the background, I always wondered what happened to those threads
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May 10, 2021 16:40
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quote:technically it's ephebophilia. There's a red flag the size of a stadium.
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May 10, 2021 16:51
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I feel like knowing how to spell the different types of pedos is a red flag visible from space.
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May 10, 2021 18:59
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Elissimpark posted:Oh sure, everyone remembers the FRENCH Foreign Legion, but no-one ever remembers the SPANISH Foreign Legion. who can forget the spanish foreign legion once they see their uniforms 
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:who can forget the spanish foreign legion once they see their uniforms It's also important to know just what kind of creepy fascist motherfuckers the Spanish Legion are.
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