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babby is going swimming at the weekend so gently caress knows what sort of disgusting disease I'm gonna get from taking her to that actually poo poo I just realised I might not be able to take her because the bottom of my big toe literally cracked open on Sunday and that's probably not the sort of thing you're supposed to get in a pool with.. Hmmm.
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ugh. a bunch of my oldest son’s friends are getting into cub scouts and he’s interested too. he’s told me a few times though that he doesn’t believe in god (neither do me or my wife, but we’ve tried not to overtly influence him). i don’t have an issue with scouting in general but they still recite that drat oath about doing duty to god and country (which i also don’t like). I’ll probably leave the choice up to him but i have to forewarn him about what will be expected of him.
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May 6, 2021 02:54
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President Beep posted:ugh. a bunch of my oldest son’s friends are getting into cub scouts and he’s interested too. he’s told me a few times though that he doesn’t believe in god (neither do me or my wife, but we’ve tried not to overtly influence him). i don’t have an issue with scouting in general but they still recite that drat oath about doing duty to god and country (which i also don’t like). I’ll probably leave the choice up to him but i have to forewarn him about what will be expected of him. yeah they're explicitly christian, you won't really get as much out of it if you're not on board with ol' Diamond J. my understanding is that they've leaned more into it in recent years too, with more prayer breakfasts and whatnot same thing with the masons btw
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May 6, 2021 03:20
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President Beep posted:ugh. a bunch of my oldest son’s friends are getting into cub scouts and he’s interested too there were nature programs for every season for a bunch of age groups where i grew up, anything like that offered there ?
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May 6, 2021 04:44
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my approach to religion is to treat it like just another weird thing some people do like veganism or cosplay "oh they pray before they do a thing? haha wild."
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May 6, 2021 05:10
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hokey religions and ancient forums are no match for a good blaster at your side
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May 6, 2021 05:24
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How religious the scouts are depends a lot on your country/chapter I think. When I was in them there was basically nothing meaningful, I think we went to a high protestant service once which was cool because they had incense burners and sang stuff in weird voices
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May 6, 2021 07:22
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I mean I had to sing hymns every day at school and go on trips to church like 5 times a year because that's what you did and because there was zero reinforcement of that from my parents it was never more than "that thing you have to do". Then when I was older I was like "hey, what was all that poo poo do people actually believe this lol?" I'd be more worried about them being an edgelord atheist tbh
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May 6, 2021 11:06
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President Beep posted:ugh. a bunch of my oldest son’s friends are getting into cub scouts and he’s interested too. he’s told me a few times though that he doesn’t believe in god (neither do me or my wife, but we’ve tried not to overtly influence him). i don’t have an issue with scouting in general but they still recite that drat oath about doing duty to god and country (which i also don’t like). I’ll probably leave the choice up to him but i have to forewarn him about what will be expected of him. i think with cubs the good outweighs the weird pushy religion stuff, at least around here. my school forced us into religion classes and I decided I was some branch of christianity after one. my parents were like 'ok cool' and didn't make a big deal out of it and then I immediately forgot because of my child brain
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May 6, 2021 11:16
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even as a non-religious person I appreciate some of my religious upbringing for giving me background and context into the lives of a large group of people I would otherwise not have
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May 6, 2021 13:08
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good rule of thumb seems to be don't let your personal religion get in the way of stuff your kids want to do
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May 6, 2021 13:13
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i’m not. he’s told me himself that he doesn’t believe in god, and I’ve taken pains to make it clear to him that that’s his decision only. having to utter an oath attesting belief in and servitude to god rubs me the wrong way. I’d feel the same if he was asked to publicly renounce religion. I’m also concerned about how it’d be received there if he shares his true personal feelings about faith. as others have pointed out, a lot depends on the individual group, but i know organizationally there are zealots in scouting.
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May 6, 2021 14:12
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I’ll probably end up contacting whoever runs the local group to ask them about how they conduct things and what their general take is.
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May 6, 2021 14:15
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that should do it, if they're an insane cult that's just trying to indoctrinate your kid instead of teaching them how to tie knots or whatever i think they have to tell you if you ask
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May 6, 2021 14:21
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stringent is a threadshitting talking penis!
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May 6, 2021 14:23
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graph posted:there were nature programs for every season for a bunch of age groups where i grew up, anything like that offered there ? there could be, but one draw here is that a bunch of his friends are doing it too.
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May 6, 2021 14:27
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President Beep posted:stringent is a threadshitting talking penis! why are you doing the yoda voice
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May 6, 2021 14:28
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my homie dhall posted:even as a non-religious person I appreciate some of my religious upbringing for giving me background and context into the lives of a large group of people I would otherwise not have 
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May 6, 2021 14:35
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my wife is 7 weeks pregnant have to figure out how to raise this kid to not end up a yosposter
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May 6, 2021 14:47
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant they're right in the middle of the jock/nerd parts of the year so i think it could go either way
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May 6, 2021 16:47
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Don't worry, this forum's patreon will have dried up by the time he's typing.
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May 6, 2021 20:52
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President Beep posted:there could be, but one draw here is that a bunch of his friends are doing it too. i meant convince the pals to switch the nature programs where i grew up were like, loads better than any cub or boy scout poo poo by a good margin
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May 6, 2021 22:37
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant get them on a good linux early (debian) and buy them 3 cats and some meat smoking equipment can't go wrong
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May 6, 2021 23:27
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant my kids first computer was a linux machine to play minecraft on and now he's a jock so
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May 6, 2021 23:46
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant congrats
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May 7, 2021 00:58
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I was once chatting to this early 20s metal head dude about ten years ago and he was lamenting about how basically everyone is a nerd these days, even jocks etc have phones and facebooks. i’m jealous of his simple thrash metal life
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he's right
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May 7, 2021 01:40
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant congrats! is it your first? protip from somebody who's been on the other side - don't tell anybody until like 12 weeks or so, to be sure that the baby is definitely cooking (and doesn't have Downs or something) my wife's due in Sept with our second kid. Before that though, we had a couple of week-8/week-10 miscarriages where the fetus didn't implant for whatever reason. It happens, not the end of the world - but we made the mistake of getting everybody spun up and then we had to tell them. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 7, 2021 |
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lament.cfg posted:my wife is 7 weeks pregnant As for how to not raise a yosposter, idk - my first kid's 18 months old and I feel pretty good if he goes through a meal without dumping his drink all over his food. This is a spicy take, but you might consider doing a church thing with your kid for a few years. Even if you're not super into it and you all eventually lapse, the morals are good for a child to learn. Also the community can benefit you a lot as a new parent, if you find one with a bunch of other parents. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 05:53 on May 7, 2021 |
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don’t forget tho that the most important thing and also hardest thing to do is that you have to transform into the morally admirable person because you’re their number one role model and all the telling a kid what to do in the world doesn’t mean poo poo because they’ll turn out just like you pretty much. parenting babies and toddlers and kids up till about the age of 6-7 is easy because while it’s physically hard and exhausting it’s mostly about keeping them alive but it slowly changes and you actually have to start to be a great person if you want them to be. that’s why you make sure they don’t find out how degenerate you are until they’re past those formative years
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Poopernickel posted:This is a spicy take, but you might consider doing a church thing with your kid for a few years. Even if you're not super into it and you all eventually lapse, the morals are good for a child to learn.
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Poopernickel posted:This is a spicy take, but you might consider doing a church thing with your kid for a few years. Even if you're not super into it and you all eventually lapse, the morals are good for a child to learn. Also the community can benefit you a lot as a new parent, if you find one with a bunch of other parents. echinopsis posted:don’t forget tho that the most important thing and also hardest thing to do is that you have to transform into the morally admirable person because you’re their number one role model and all the telling a kid what to do in the world doesn’t mean poo poo because they’ll turn out just like you pretty much.
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evil_bunnY posted:ffffffffuck that. Literally no one in any (white) church-like org has ever been morals-motivated.
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lmao at the thought of needing religion to teach morals. gently caress!
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the geezer at church told me about some dude a long time ago that said “don’t kill” and i was like how am i just now hearing this!!
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my understanding as someone who was not raised religious is that for a religio it can be difficult to conceive of a morality that is not based off some rulebook with the threat of eternal damnation as a consequence of loving up i guess id describe myself as a secular humanist. and the golden rule plus empathy, curiousity, and kindness are enough for me to base a moral philosophy around
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not me, bruv. burned down an orphanage earlier because i stopped going to youth group before they told us the important bits. wish i knew what to do. 
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President Beep posted:the geezer at church told me about some dude a long time ago that said “don’t kill” and i was like how am i just now hearing this!! President Beep posted:not me, bruv. burned down an orphanage earlier because i stopped going to youth group before they told us the important bits. wish i knew what to do.
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the fun thing about ethics/morality is that if you think you have an absolute code that makes things easier all the time, you're doing it wrong. there should always be tension in evaluating the rightness/wrongness of action. if there isn't it means your code is stagnant and not reacting to a changing world with changing problems and issues it is possible for a churcho-based ethical code to manifest that consistent and complete tension, but it's generally going to be as a result of imperfect personal compliance and guilt/doubt rather than by design. any org will want to have a safe chill zone of at least "but you can always trust [X], which we represent" and that's where the trouble always starts
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Kenny Logins posted:the fun thing about ethics/morality is that if you think you have an absolute code that makes things easier all the time, you're doing it wrong. there should always be tension in evaluating the rightness/wrongness of action. if there isn't it means your code is stagnant and not reacting to a changing world with changing problems and issues big dune vibes, and i mean that in a good way
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