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I'm probably mostly done posting for the weekend. I reread the thread this morning and here is a big wall of text that no one will read. Godspeed. General scum reads: - Mr Steak is just... all over the place. His posts are mostly about what he's thinking at the time and don't show any legitimate effort to find scum or ask questions or much of anything. His posting seems generally anxious and forced. Gut pings all over. - Grandicap is active... but not doing much. He is engaged in discussion but I don't see him making much of an effort to find scum. He weirdly advocated chain-execution logic which makes no sense to me (way too early for that kind of talk) - Sandwolf... after reading the whole thing back, I handled things poorly, but I still harbor suspicions. I acknowledge that playing suboptimally is not always scummy. But in his case, I think his thought process betrays a scum mindset. His suggestion that the 1;1's who did not pick mason are scum reads scummy and despite his claims, I don't see anything in the text to suggest it was a joke. The one point in his favor is that I think the way he responded to me shows real frustration and is seemingly honest. I probably would only vote him today in a pinch. Players that seem to be honestly playing the game giving me cool town vibes: - binus - merk - random - CCKeane Players who haven't offered much and don't seem to be scumhunting (there be scum here): - Obama - SalTheBard - sandnavyguy / fake sandwolf - Toalpaz - ilmucche / fake merk Random notes: - Fry's encouragement of other players to respond to Sandwolf's role-fishing is concerning. It reads as opportunistic and he never really ackowledges it. - Solus's vig shot sucks if he is town. Pretty smart move if he's scum; no one is talking about him as an execution target right now. - I have no idea how to read New Chill Merk. I think I have a mostly town read on him but that's kind of loving with me because I don't think I've ever had a town read on him in the history of mafia. - Hal is doing a lot of drive-by's. I think from another player I would be concerned about this but that's his meta. Hal, I wish you would add a little meat to your posts.
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It’s pretty simple actually. Philip Fry bussed merk. Grandicap bussed Philip fry. Since merk is scum and doesn’t bus his teammates, sng is confirmed town.
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May 9, 2021 01:20
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I read it dy. I take offense to you saying that I am advocating a chain execution, just that a thing is worth looking further into if Solus flips scum. The behavior in a vacuum is not enough to push for alone, but if Solus were to flip scum it would shade AT-LOW's defense in a scummy light. I disagree with all of your scum reads. I think I'm on board with your town reads though.
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May 9, 2021 01:22
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b-minus1 posted:It’s pretty simple actually. Philip Fry bussed merk. Grandicap bussed Philip fry. Since merk is scum and doesn’t bus his teammates, sng is confirmed town. I mean, you can portray my interaction with Fry as scummy, I'm cool with that, but a joke vote isn't a bus.
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May 9, 2021 01:23
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Grandicap posted:I take offense to you saying that I am advocating a chain execution, just that a thing is worth looking further into if Solus flips scum. Who are your scum picks?
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May 9, 2021 01:34
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I guess I should clarify too, "advocating a chain execution," is a bad way to put it. You weren't really doing that. It's just a weird comment to make and pings like scum trying to set up a playbook for the town to follow.
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May 9, 2021 01:37
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sal why did you only post a copypasta and leave???
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May 9, 2021 01:58
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dy. posted:It's just kind of a weird comment to make on someone you aren't really pushing. Solus is the one I am currently pursuing. I don't have a strong second at the moment. I've lost my fervor for steak as I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted what I thought I saw, and the fry thing was always a joke. I think you are town and a vote leader so I have no interest in looking there.
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May 9, 2021 02:15
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Hmm dy is technically a vote leader, but only two votes because sandy switched to OA. Solus is the other at two. Wide open field atm.
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May 9, 2021 02:20
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Grandicap posted:Solus is the one I am currently pursuing. I don't have a strong second at the moment. I've lost my fervor for steak as I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted what I thought I saw, and the fry thing was always a joke. You have like, no other reads or observations or anything besides that?
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May 9, 2021 02:32
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dy. posted:You have like, no other reads or observations or anything besides that? I feel like I've been posting them as I have them. You and Sandwolf are both town. AT-LOW is linked to Solus. I have scum feelings about random but I'm also pretty sure it's just because he was scum in the game I just modded and thats the only game I've seen him play, so my baseline might be off, not going to pursue that today at least. I am not sure yet on B but am waiting on that to solidify as I feel very strongly about my gut reads on B, but right now it's a town lean but not a town lock. Keane feels good to me too. I feel like I'm just listing without solid opinions, which is totally something I would call someone else out on if they did it.
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May 9, 2021 02:39
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Grandicap posted:I have scum feelings about random but I'm also pretty sure it's just because he was scum in the game I just modded and thats the only game I've seen him play, so my baseline might be off, not going to pursue that today at least.
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May 9, 2021 02:48
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dy. posted:Fair to not push it, but I'm curious what your insights are on this. Can you elaborate? Gut pings mostly, lemme see if I can pull a few quotes.
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May 9, 2021 02:53
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.random posted:But about that 20% chance to kill a random player (see what I did there) who is statistically more likely to be town than not... So this one is a start, it is simply stating a fact and not really trying to attribute scumminess to it. That I was statistically more likely to be town than not is irrelevant. Everyone at this point in the game is statistically more likely to be town then not, if it weren't the game would be over because scum would have control of the vote. He's trying to say something to appear relevant but says nothing. He doesn't go after Solus for it, he just comments about it. It feels not great. .random posted:
.random posted:Ok. Sorry. I misread where the “but” was in #1. It still reads really badly to me .random posted:I don’t get why any of them imply Solus to be town? They just assume Solus will do what we tell him to do during the day or we will lynch him. Which is like, what scum or town would do if they trust the threat. Which I think is actually a good strategy? But, I think it's mainly this string of posts, it more of the nibbling at the edges stuff. It isn't a call on mucche at all, just background noise commenting on it. Does any of it imply that he this mucche is scum for his thoughts on the Solus vig? Does any of it imply Solus is scum for the Solus vig? Not really. But again, just saw his scum game and my brain has no other reference point for him so I could be chasing ghosts. Not taking him out of my viewfinder, but also not pursuing it until there's more there there.
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May 9, 2021 03:03
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i trust b-minus (in general, not just this game) because ive seen his instincts be rights more often than not. therefore im very willing to vote ilemucche, but i havent yet done a proper readthrough of him
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May 9, 2021 03:05
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b-minus1 posted:Alright so I just had a read through of a bunch of people here’s what I’ve determined wait... tho now im confused. i could have sworn ilemucche was included in this post but he's not. that's... weird
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May 9, 2021 03:06
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quite honestly, its really annoying to scumhunt on day 1 when like 1/3 of the players have hardly said anything. but we have a *very* generous amount of time til deadline so i'm basically waiting for people to show up rn
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May 9, 2021 03:10
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Small comments: that first post was in the context of what I considered a significant dy/Sandwolf derail. Solus is scummy for doing what he did. AT-LOW’s game plan is the right approach to handling him. Ilmucche’s comment reads scummy to me because: 1. It has the same “I’d do that” feel as my post about Sandwolf claiming, but without making much of a statement - could be SK behavior! 2. What I said in the post about it also randomly introducing another topic out of nowhere just to create a topic to maybe look like a contribution. I hope this clarifies my feelings!
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May 9, 2021 03:11
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then again, i think its safe to assume at least ONE scum member has been active in thread. so maybe im just being lazy and making excuses
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May 9, 2021 03:12
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Voodoo, can you add the VoteFinder img to the OP? I keep going back there and it’s not there and I am now wholly dependent on this new fascinating technology
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May 9, 2021 03:13
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Mr. Steak posted:i trust b-minus (in general, not just this game) because ive seen his instincts be rights more often than not. therefore im very willing to vote ilemucche, but i havent yet done a proper readthrough of him
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May 9, 2021 03:17
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dy. posted:You’re really just gonna follow him around because you’ve seen him be right before? im not gonna blindly follow him into grandicap and merk since those seem to have come out of nowhere, but i agree with his post about ilemucche. it might sort of read like a joke but i thought he was being serious and agree that the things he listed are mannerisms of scum
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May 9, 2021 03:30
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.random posted:Voodoo, can you add the VoteFinder img to the OP? I keep going back there and it’s not there and I am now wholly dependent on this new fascinating technology As you wish, your magesty.
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May 9, 2021 06:19
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Ok, I’m back and can do things. I’ll read.
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Votecount for Day 1  dy. (2): Sandwolf, AT-LOW, b-minus1, SolusLunes (2): CCKeane, Grandicap, Grandicap (1): b-minus1, Toalpaz (1): Mr. Steak ObamaAkbar. (1): Sandwolf, Mr. Steak, .random (1): ObamaAkbar. Mr. Steak (1): Grandicap, AT-LOW (1): merk, dy., merk (0): Philip J. Fry, Philip J. Fry (0): Grandicap, Sandwolf (0): ilmucche, sandnavyguy (0): merk, Not Voting (7): .random, ilmucche, Philip J. Fry, SalTheBard, sandnavyguy, SolusLunes, ToalpazWith 17 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 10th, 2021 at 6 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 1 day, 11 hours.
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May 9, 2021 14:05
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AT-LOW posted:Which made him a known quantity. We can just say "Hey Solus, use your ability in a pro-town way from now on or we vote you." If Solus is town, town controls a vig. If Solus is scum, Solus must confirm this inthread by going rogue, thereby giving us explicit confirmation that Solus is unwilling to cooperate with town. ##unvote The white knighting with this context isn't bad. AT-LOW's opinion here makes sense.
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May 9, 2021 14:07
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CCKeane posted:##vote: Solus CCKeane posted:Anyway I feel like Solus was just shooting wildly and then was going to let a scumbuddy retreat with some "Well no way scum would shoot like that!!!!" Or some nonsense. Feels bad to me! CCKeane posted:Shooting immediately from the hip, particularly randomly, feels like an effort to hide scumminess behind whackiness. CCKeane posted:Right, but Solus used his ability in an anti town way. ##vote CCKeane This feels super lazy. There's a ton of content out there, and CCKeane is hiding behind this read.
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May 9, 2021 14:10
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ilmucche posted:I think Solus is a perfect example of irresponsible gun ownership. Not only do they own several guns they don't even take care of, as evidenced by the fact that their gun didn't fire properly, but they're willing them to fire them at literally any random person. ilmucche posted:so solus' play doesn't look great to me, but i also understand the draw of rando shooting someone. It reminds me of cpig shooting grandicap in chaos, and cpig was 3p vig or serial killer or whatever. These two posts say nothing. ilmucche has really no reads but enough posts to look like there should be some in there.
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May 9, 2021 14:11
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.random posted:Small comments: that first post was in the context of what I considered a significant dy/Sandwolf derail. Solus is scummy for doing what he did. AT-LOW’s game plan is the right approach to handling him. What does this make you think about CCKeane?
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May 9, 2021 14:12
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Hal Insandenza posted:What do you make of Keane says Solus used it in the scummiest way possible? I think you think that CCKeane is scum from this question. Do you?
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May 9, 2021 14:13
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This is irrational CCKeane fear from merk.
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May 9, 2021 14:49
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CCKeane posted:This is irrational CCKeane fear from merk. What are your reads outside of Solus? What do you think of me?
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May 9, 2021 14:53
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merk posted:What does this make you think about CCKeane? Hm. I’m confused about CCKeane. Hey, CCKeane, can you take a gander at AT-LOW’s recent further explanation of his post that you call scummy and gimme your thoughts?
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May 9, 2021 16:23
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Shoot. Sorry. I am sleepy and misplayed. You didn’t call it scummy. You said it sounds like he’s calling Solus town Sorry. I am bad at phone posting. Twice in one game so far.
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May 9, 2021 16:25
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Mr. Steak posted:wait... tho now im confused. i could have sworn ilemucche was included in this post but he's not. that's... weird Yeah I kinda overlooked ilmuche when I was casing everyone else. I would vote him today
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May 9, 2021 16:31
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merk posted:What are your reads outside of Solus? Oh merk, I never think of you. Bad vibes from Grand, feeling good about dy. and Sandwolf. I am suspicious of At Low but I've cooled a bit and think some over confidence may be more at play. B- calling you scummy and refusing to elaborate is bad, I agree with Sandwolf on OA for mysterious vibes. I'd like Sal to say stuff. Don't really have much thoughts on everybody else.
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May 9, 2021 17:02
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CCKeane posted:I'd like Sal to say stuff. same!!!
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May 9, 2021 17:05
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Oh yeah Steaks here. I never get good reads on Steak so I just don't bother because everybody posts a lot about him so they probably have it.
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May 9, 2021 17:08
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merk posted:##vote CCKeane agree that the solus vote is boring and lazy, but keane is confirmed "role looker" so we should keep him around for a little longer
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(but for real, keane was pretty explicit about saying others (ie grandi and at-low) are scummy too. so he's hardly "hiding behind" the solus read
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