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Compensation was never not considered pitiful afaik. Read an autobio by a world famous artist from my youth recently and they were making literally pocket money at times.
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Yeah, to be clear, having known and so what worked in music years ago, I am not defending the music industry. The major labels were and are still horrible and leach off the artists. So yeah, I would say that while I’m defending streaming on the “well, for what we have it’s the easy choice,” yeah it’s the easy way out for a consumer. That’s fair and I wouldn’t disagree. Just sucks because I highly doubt it will change anytime soon. 😔
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May 8, 2021 23:06
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Last I checked Spotify is still losing money every year so the economics don’t work for anybody involved except maybe the record companies. The obvious answer is to get rid of the record companies.
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May 9, 2021 00:10
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They're "losing money" because they're giving it all to their founders. If Spotify was as hosed as you think, Daniel Ek wouldn't be worth billions.
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May 9, 2021 00:47
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aphid_licker posted:Compensation was never not considered pitiful afaik. Read an autobio by a world famous artist from my youth recently and they were making literally pocket money at times. Geoff Downes, who is one half of the Buggles, posted his 6 month royalty statement from Spotify some years back. It was £12. https://twitter.com/asiageoff/status/347711236747689984?s=20 xarph has a new favorite as of 00:51 on May 9, 2021 |
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May 9, 2021 00:48
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POV: you are a record company
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May 9, 2021 00:49
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I believe the rate for Spotify is about 45,000 for a million streams. No matter who you are
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May 9, 2021 00:55
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Professor Shark posted:Subscriptions are the thing I hate most about the future Nazis as a Service I don't like this future.
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ookiimarukochan posted:They're "losing money" because they're giving it all to their founders. If Spotify was as hosed as you think, Daniel Ek wouldn't be worth billions. I’m pretty sure they’re in money-losing-market-share-growing stage like Amazon was for about 15 years. As soon as players like Amazon and Google drop out and even fewer people purchase digital or physical copies of their music they’ll have the market power to raise prices. Actually I guess they already are. I just got an email that family plans were going up by a dollar. 
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May 9, 2021 01:33
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CharlestheHammer posted:I believe the rate for Spotify is about 45,000 for a million streams. From what I understand it's not X cents for Y streams. It's the fixed amount from revenue they're required to pay and each artist gets a percentage of that amount based on how popular they were in the six month interval. So the billie eilishes of the world take almost all of it and by the time you get to "band that had one hit in a TV show" the money is long since extinguished. Now combine this with labels large enough to demand minimums and accountants recruited from hollywood who specialize in making money disappear.
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May 9, 2021 01:46
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ookiimarukochan posted:They're "losing money" because they're giving it all to their founders. If Spotify was as hosed as you think, Daniel Ek wouldn't be worth billions. Lots of companies lose money while still being worth tons of money. Just look at Uber that sometimes loses billions a year, or even in one quarter. The company is currently valued at $87 billion, and the founders of the company are also worth billions. They have never turned a profit, and a lot of people aren’t even sure when they will. You can lose money for a long time until investors suddenly lose confidence in you.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I’m pretty sure they’re in money-losing-market-share-growing stage like Amazon was for about 15 years. As soon as players like Amazon and Google drop out and even fewer people purchase digital or physical copies of their music they’ll have the market power to raise prices. Actually I guess they already are. I just got an email that family plans were going up by a dollar. I actually paid for the combined google streaming platform / ad free YouTube but now I have Spotify because with every update Google made continuing to use their products a less and less convenient experience. The last straw was them splitting the app into a music app and podcast app.
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May 9, 2021 02:36
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Soylent Pudding posted:I actually paid for the combined google streaming platform / ad free YouTube but now I have Spotify because with every update Google made continuing to use their products a less and less convenient experience. The last straw was them splitting the app into a music app and podcast app. YouTube premium is the best thing ever and I hate that Google bundled it with their lovely music service so that they can charge $12 bucks a month for something that should only cost $5. I use YouTube Music the two times a year that Spotify is having an outage and I hate every minute of it.
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Krispy Wafer posted:YouTube premium is the best thing ever and I hate that Google bundled it with their lovely music service so that they can charge $12 bucks a month for something that should only cost $5. I pay to not have ads in YouTube and I could not give any less of a poo poo about their new music platform.
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May 9, 2021 05:38
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Dude ublock origin blocks ads on PC with no issue.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Dude ublock origin blocks ads on PC with no issue. Don’t help on your phone though
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Ziv Zulander posted:Don’t help on your phone though If you are on Android, YouTube Vanced takes care of that issue too.
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May 9, 2021 08:12
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Bird in a Blender posted:Lots of companies lose money while still being worth tons of money. Just look at Uber that sometimes loses billions a year, or even in one quarter. The company is currently valued at $87 billion, and the founders of the company are also worth billions. They have never turned a profit, and a lot of people aren’t even sure when they will. reminder that ubers business model for turning a profit is literally impossible, their plan is to monopolize the market and then raise prices. even if they somehow managed the former they would immediately crash at the latter because "ridesharing app" has a super low barrier to entry and switching for competitors, drivers and customers if uber ever raised prices past their current vc-subsidized rates their previous pixie-dust handwave was self driving cars to cut costs, but they tacitly admitted that was bullshit when they sold off that division (even if you were somehow dumb enough to ignore the huge amount of technical and legal issues that would need to be solved, something ubers baked-in disregard for law didn't exactly inspire confidence in) i don't know how anyone can possibly think "if the company was hosed how could the ceo/founder be rich??" in 2021. have you heard of wework? they sublet office space and were worse at it than competitors but were propped up by a firehose of endless vc cash, yet the founder cashed out with over a billion despite his only skill being "scamming vc investors" and everyone at the company knowing it modern america is like a lovely college dorm room econ philosophy debate except you have to live in it. hey man if the a company runs for a decade, never makes any money, has a nonsensical business model, but everyone involved cashes out and gets rich and the company never goes backrupt is that company less fake than one that actually turns a profit but goes under because they don't have rich backers *bong hit*
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May 9, 2021 08:16
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Similarly, watching a single video while subscribed to YouTube Premium pays the channel more than watching every ad to the end on 12 videos. A dollar a month on Patreon is worth more even after the credit card fees and Patreon cut. On a similar note: the reason every YouTube channel says "like, subscribe, and comment" is because YouTube values a comment, upvote, or downvote as the equivalent to a video watched. When they ask people to "vote" in the comments they don't give a gently caress about the replies but if they don't ask people to like and comment it has a noticeable impact on their income.
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May 9, 2021 09:09
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Volmarias posted:Nazis as a Service What about a Punch-a-Nazi subscription service?
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Professor Shark posted:What about a Punch-a-Nazi subscription service? This idea I like slightly better, but only slightly because it implies a sufficiency of Nazis to make a business model of paying for them being punched to work.
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Volmarias posted:This idea I like slightly better, but only slightly because it implies a sufficiency of Nazis to make a business model of paying for them being punched to work. Why would you pay the product instead of the supplier? You punch the Nazi and pay the person who poaches them and puts them in the stocks for you.
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May 9, 2021 16:13
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But that's the problem, I don't WANT the Nazis! It's like paying for cobras, I want the Nazis to go away, not an endless stream for punching.
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May 9, 2021 16:39
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Ziv Zulander posted:Don’t help on your phone though I watch YouTube on Firefox for Android. uBlock gets rid of the ads and Video Background Play Fix lets it play with the screen off 
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Franco Caution posted:If you are on Android, YouTube Vanced takes care of that issue too. Newpipe also does that. https://newpipe.net/ Lol if you ever see ads on youtube.
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I know there are ways to get around YouTube ads, even on an iPhone, but not so much on Apple TV. I just wished they priced it better. Google tried adding premium programming, but the only thing worth a drat was Cobra Kai and they sold that off to Netflix. How Google, the king of ads, can’t properly market YouTube is beyond me. And Uber is like Toys R Us in that they came into a market, destroyed all the smaller businesses, and then will leave a gaping hole when they eventually implode with nothing to replace them.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I know there are ways to get around YouTube ads, even on an iPhone, but not so much on Apple TV. I just wished they priced it better. Google tried adding premium programming, but the only thing worth a drat was Cobra Kai and they sold that off to Netflix. How Google, the king of ads, can’t properly market YouTube is beyond me. Google is very good at running other people's ads. It's less good at making the ads itself.
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Volmarias posted:But that's the problem, I don't WANT the Nazis! It's like paying for cobras, I want the Nazis to go away, not an endless stream for punching. What if there's just one Nazi, who we all get to punch?
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Maybe a Witcher model where there are a limited number of punching specialists who go from town to town as needed?
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Bird in a Blender posted:You can lose money for a long time until investors suddenly lose confidence in you. And if you lose enough money for long enough without losing their faith - congratulations! You are a country! But more seriously I do wonder if the end goal of some of these services is power rather than building a traditional profitable business. Oh you say Watchr made a loss? Well we control an active webcam 24-7 recording every living room in the West. You can't get rid of us. We're part of the system now.
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May 9, 2021 19:52
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Krispy Wafer posted:I know there are ways to get around YouTube ads, even on an iPhone, but not so much on Apple TV. I just wished they priced it better. Google tried adding premium programming, but the only thing worth a drat was Cobra Kai and they sold that off to Netflix. How Google, the king of ads, can’t properly market YouTube is beyond me. Maybe Pi-Hole would work for the AppleTV if you have a spare Pi Zero W? Haven't messed with an ATV in awhile, but we use Smart Youtube (plus our own Pi-Hole) on the Shield and it works perfectly.
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rydiafan posted:What if there's just one Nazi, who we all get to punch? reverse-Omelas, it's a lovely place to live but everyone gets to beat up a single Nazi as much as they want
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MisterOblivious posted:Similarly, watching a single video while subscribed to YouTube Premium pays the channel more than watching every ad to the end on 12 videos. A dollar a month on Patreon is worth more even after the credit card fees and Patreon cut. I've said this before, but my wife has a YT channel that I occasionally help out with that has roughly 1.25mil subs, and...no, YouTube doesn't value a comment, upvote, or downvote as a video watched. The only thing that matters, as far as getting paid, is watch time. YT (and Google) are an ad company, so if it doesn't involve "did you watch an ad?" YT doesn't care about it. Subs don't matter, comments don't matter, nothing else does. The reason why people say "like, comment, subscribe" is because a) Everyone else says it, and b) it increases engagement, even if YouTube comments are cancer. We Got Us A Bread has a new favorite as of 23:23 on May 9, 2021 |
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We Got Us A Bread posted:I've said this before, but my wife has a YT channel that I occasionally help out with that has roughly 1.25mil subs, and...no, YouTube doesn't value a comment, upvote, or downvote as a video watched. The only thing that matters, as far as getting paid, is watch time. YT (and Google) are an ad company, so if it doesn't involve "did you watch an ad?" YT doesn't care about it. Subs don't matter, comments don't matter, nothing else does. How are premium subs counted then? If you know that is. I don’t mind paying for no ads because trying to do all the other stuff to disable them ends up being a pita.
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MarcusSA posted:How are premium subs counted then? If you know that is. They're counted..somehow. YT keeps the actual premium sub numbers to themselves, so it's just a line item on the monthly Adsense payout - it just says "Premium - $3,000" or whatever, but no one has any idea what the actual payout per premium sub is.
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We Got Us A Bread posted:They're counted..somehow. YT keeps the actual premium sub numbers to themselves, so it's just a line item on the monthly Adsense payout - it just says "Premium - $3,000" or whatever, but no one has any idea what the actual payout per premium sub is. Ah ok thanks! Its good to know that they do get something.
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MarcusSA posted:Ah ok thanks! Its good to know that they do get something. In all honestly, sponsorships are how most creators survive, since the YT content bots are problematic. You can end up with a demonetized video (or videos) for no reason that you can figure out, and you can request a manual review...which, 99% of the time results in your video being monetized again, but that's after the initial window when you would have made most of your money. The content bot basically turns the audio from the video into a transcript and looks at that, and the bot sucks, so...for instance, there was a video where the bot thought that my wife used a slur against Japanese people. She's half-japanese, so not only would she never use that (or any other) slur...but the word was "cap." It took 4 days for that to be resolved, missing out on ad revenue the whole time. We Got Us A Bread has a new favorite as of 23:52 on May 9, 2021 |
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Paying for YouTube Premium at least got me a free Stadia controller/trial and then Google mortally wounded that product two months later. Google = all the money in the world minus the patience needed to develop anything popular.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Paying for YouTube Premium at least got me a free Stadia controller/trial and then Google mortally wounded that product two months later. Hey same! (It’s still in the box lol!)
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Krispy Wafer posted:Paying for YouTube Premium at least got me a free Stadia controller/trial and then Google mortally wounded that product two months later. LoL, they gave creators the Chromecast/stadia pack for free...it just showed up in the mail one day. I think it's in a cabinet here somewhere, we never even opened it.
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