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How do NVMe's generally work when they're not used as the system drive? Can I get one to put games on and see really fast load times, or is there still going to be a huge bottleneck on account of it not being the system drive?
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# ? May 10, 2021 15:39 |
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kliras posted:How do NVMe's generally work when they're not used as the system drive? Can I get one to put games on and see really fast load times, or is there still going to be a huge bottleneck on account of it not being the system drive? You won't see notably faster load times than a SATA SSD since that's not a use case where it really pulls ahead, but it won't be bottlenecked, no.
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# ? May 10, 2021 15:48 |
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kliras posted:How do NVMe's generally work when they're not used as the system drive? Can I get one to put games on and see really fast load times, or is there still going to be a huge bottleneck on account of it not being the system drive? There is no bottleneck from not being the main system drive, assuming it's connected to a full speed port. Being the drive with the OS on it doesn't make a drive faster to access. OTOH right now NVMe drives offer very little advantage in game loading times compared to even a bog-standard sata SSD. NVMe drives are literally able to send data to the CPU faster than the CPU can process it. You will never notice the difference without a stopwatch. This may change in the future, as devs change things to take advantage of the new consoles having fast storage. So if you're buying a SSD and have space to add a NVMe drive, you may as well get NVMe. But that's not happening instantaneously. Buying a NVMe drive right now specifically to make games faster is not a useful purchase.
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# ? May 10, 2021 15:56 |
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I wonder if things like SRIOV will ever make it to consumer space, if there is a use case. Perhaps if you have a central PC that a few people in a house are running VMs remotely but that’s pretty techy.
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# ? May 10, 2021 16:14 |
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Ah, I see. I didn't know it was already that bottlenecked. We'll have to see if DirectStorage/RTX IO will offer something in the future.
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# ? May 10, 2021 16:14 |
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priznat posted:I wonder if things like SRIOV will ever make it to consumer space, if there is a use case. My guess is "not until the next version of Windows, at the earliest."
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# ? May 11, 2021 02:01 |
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Killer_B posted:I have been looking at getting a 1-2TB nvme drive for a new build, folks seem to recommend the SN550 at the minimum, it seems as all the recent chia hype has made the 2TB models get socked with the scalper/farming tax. I just ordered one from B&H for $225. Newegg is taking backorders at that price too set to ship the 15th. The only place I saw a price increase was Amazon which had them only available from 3rd party sellers for $260.
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# ? May 11, 2021 23:59 |
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Walmart has the Sandisk USB-C external 500GB SSD on closeout for $22-33 depending on your store. Just picked one up. https://www.walmart.com/ip/SanDisk-500GB-Extreme-Portable-External-SSD-USB-C-USB-3-1-SDSSDE60-500G-G25/678518912
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# ? May 17, 2021 20:31 |
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I wonder what's inside those, regular NVMes or mini-PCIe cards?
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# ? May 17, 2021 23:58 |
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M.2 SATA apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/9631os/sandisk_extreme_usb_31_ssd_tear_down/
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# ? May 18, 2021 00:11 |
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It's not showing up as $22-33, more like $90.
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# ? May 19, 2021 00:41 |
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So what's the best PCI-E 4.0 drive to get if I'm building an ultimate specced PC and am willing to spend a few hundred for a 2TB drive?
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# ? May 19, 2021 00:56 |
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Samsung 980 Pro or WD SN850 if you just want the absolute fastest and can stomach spending around $400 for 2TB
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# ? May 19, 2021 01:07 |
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At what point should you start getting concerned about an "SSD life" rating in crystaldiskinfo? I've got a 1tb toshiba xg3 nvme that is at 80 percent, and I'm trying to diagnose some weird hitching and delays I'm getting in Windows. Considering just formatting and reinstalling to see if that fixes it.
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# ? May 19, 2021 01:53 |
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lmao
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# ? May 19, 2021 01:59 |
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:At what point should you start getting concerned about an "SSD life" rating in crystaldiskinfo? I've got a 1tb toshiba xg3 nvme that is at 80 percent, and I'm trying to diagnose some weird hitching and delays I'm getting in Windows. Considering just formatting and reinstalling to see if that fixes it. Generally, not at all. The few people who have tested SSD endurance to destruction have found that drives vastly exceed the manufacturer spec for writes. And the crystaldisk health % is generally relative to the media wearout number in SMART which is set by the mnfr based on their spec. So on a drive that's heavily used for writes, you would normally expect it to hit 0% in crystaldisk and keep on trucking for a long time after. Of more concern than total writes / media wearout is "uncorrectable error count" or similar errors. (Crystaldisk will generally give your drive a health status of "caution", with a yellow box, if you have these errors.) e: Alan Smithee posted:lmao I'd comfortably buy it if I wanted a 980 Pro, the warranty on the 2TB model is 1200TBW and there's zero chance I'd put anything approaching that on a drive. Klyith fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 19, 2021 |
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980 pro it is. That's what I was eyeing but mostly due to brand recognition. Just wanted to know if I was missing something better. Thanks guys.
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# ? May 19, 2021 04:09 |
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Second time in this month i got stuck on an Inaccessible Boot Device boot loop with an M2 su800. At first i thought it was that windows update driver bug hitting people at the end of April, but I'm on a b450 board and that was a different chipset. Crystaldiskinfo reported 99% health too, so idek. Guess I'll RMA :/ Is the M2 mx500 any good? e: i should probably give up on this lol Ignis fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 20, 2021 |
# ? May 20, 2021 01:19 |
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Looking for an additional M.2 1TB to add to my laptop. Mainly for storage but occasionally will be the install drive for larger games. Looking at Adata XPG SX6000 (£93), WD Black SN750 (£110) or Samsung 970 EVO (£145) or really anything from CCL Computers up to £150. Is the Samsung worth £55 more? Any I should absolutely avoid?
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# ? May 20, 2021 09:17 |
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Ignis posted:Is the M2 mx500 any good? The normal 2.5" MX500 is good. That and the WD Blue (3d) have been the 2 standard picks for someone that needs a sata drive and wants the extra security of a known Brand. I'd assume the m.2 version is exactly the same. Stupid Decisions posted:Looking for an additional M.2 1TB to add to my laptop. Mainly for storage but occasionally will be the install drive for larger games. Looking at Adata XPG SX6000 (£93), WD Black SN750 (£110) or Samsung 970 EVO (£145) or really anything from CCL Computers up to £150. Samsung isn't worth any extra money compared to other high-quality drives like WD. For a storage and video games drive, the WD SN550 is the cheapest drive they're selling *and* will be identical in end-result performance to a SN750 or 970 Evo. What makes it cheap is that it's dramless, which absolutely does not matter for that purpose. Dramless drives are poor in heavily random tasks & random mixed IO. Your use is sequential reads and sequential writes, rarely at the same time.
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# ? May 20, 2021 14:20 |
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The NVMe 2.0 spec is out, get ready for...rotational nvme drives
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# ? Jun 3, 2021 17:42 |
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WhyteRyce posted:The NVMe 2.0 spec is out, get ready for...rotational nvme drives Yup actually pretty neat getting to leverage pcie fan outs and they will be gen2/3 at x1 from mostly what I’m hearing.
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# ? Jun 3, 2021 18:34 |
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priznat posted:Yup actually pretty neat getting to leverage pcie fan outs and they will be gen2/3 at x1 from mostly what I’m hearing. Unifying storage tech and getting all the new storage poo poo available for HDDs is great. You can go whole hog with nvmeof with expensive rear end fiber and networking poo poo all hooked up to...a cluster of spinning rust.
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# ? Jun 3, 2021 18:45 |
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WhyteRyce posted:Unifying storage tech and getting all the new storage poo poo available for HDDs is great. You can go whole hog with nvmeof with expensive rear end fiber and networking poo poo all hooked up to...a cluster of spinning rust. Cold storage, baby! *makes a new storage pyramid powerpoint slide and searches for a cranny to jam another product in*
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# ? Jun 3, 2021 18:48 |
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can anyone speak to Sabrent? Guy is selling a 4tb nvme supposedly bnib
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 09:32 |
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Alan Smithee posted:can anyone speak to Sabrent? Guy is selling a 4tb nvme supposedly bnib They're good as far as quality, probably one of the top of the 2nd tier of OEMs (1st tier being the companies that make their own nand). For a used drive, sabrent might be one of the companies that I'd be nervous about. To get full warranty coverage you have to register on their website, and that requires the order info etc. Otherwise you get only 1 year. So take that into account when determining how good the discount you're getting vs new is. And that's before the whole possibility that this guy was mining Chia with it for the last two months and it's already clapped out. IMO this is a bad time to buy 2nd-hand SSDs anywhere that you don't have good dispute resolution / ability to do a chargeback.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 12:58 |
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I wouldnt buy one of their drives personally. For everything else they make basically generic cheap poo poo stuff, I see no reason their SSDs would be good.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 14:49 |
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Some guy went out and bought a p5800x so he could play with it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINeI6Xm6t0 https://forum.level1techs.com/t/how-fast-is-a-p5800x-optane/171363 quote:It takes six I/O jobs maxing out 5 cores to clear 2 million iops on just one drive. Holy smokes! That’s fast
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:19 |
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He’s a well known dude if you are in that workstationy tinkerer home server world. ServeTheHome is also a good resource in that market.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:23 |
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Cygni posted:He’s a well known dude if you are in that workstationy tinkerer home server world. ServeTheHome is also a good resource in that market. I've avoided all youtube hardware personalities since Linus seems annoying as hell and I don't want a bunch of "mouth breather looking like an idiot at a giant superimposed picture of product" thumbnails flooding my recommendations but he's pretty decent.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:26 |
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Level1tech is as close to a tech god as you can really get.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:30 |
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The rising p4800x prices on Ebay made me sad that I didn't just impulse buy one awhile ago that I found for $200
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 18:31 |
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Found all these drives in a box on the desk of an employee who left: P4500s, P3700s, P3500s and some 750s. I think they’re probably problem drives but I sure wish they were labelled as such! Need a coop to check the SMART on em.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 19:33 |
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Look at all that chia mining capability (plz junk the p4500s)
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 19:39 |
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Regardless of performance the p4500s are at least one of the few drives that work well for hotplugging in windows due to the intel drivers.. Whitebox drivers don’t support it for poo poo! (Linux is fine for pretty much whatever though) Granted this is on server 2016 lol
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 19:47 |
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That assumes the p4500 won't poop itself after unexpected power loss
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 19:51 |
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WhyteRyce posted:That assumes the p4500 won't poop itself after unexpected power loss Yah that’s probably why we have the big stack of them in the box, laff. 3500/3700s and even 750s were all the preferred options but they all got EOL’d a while back. Those were all great drives.
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# ? Jun 11, 2021 19:57 |
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WhyteRyce posted:I've avoided all youtube hardware personalities since Linus seems annoying as hell and I don't want a bunch of "mouth breather looking like an idiot at a giant superimposed picture of product" thumbnails flooding my recommendations but he's pretty decent. The spectre of Linus looms even if you clicked on anything remotely related to PCs
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 03:57 |
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YouTube is barely usable without the Clickbait removal extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clickbait-remover-for-you/omoinegiohhgbikclijaniebjpkeopip?hl=en
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# ? Jun 14, 2021 13:07 |
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Thanks Ants posted:YouTube is barely usable without the Clickbait removal extension tfw you needed something so bad and hadn't realized it til now. Combine that with Replace Youtube Homepage with Subscriptions for the optimal video browsing experience.
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