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It's easily the best first season. Once it gets it's footing and slows down it's got great economical storytelling.
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I've found it's a lot better on second viewing, because a bunch of choices that seemed to just be annoying writing come into focus as being part of character arcs.
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# ? May 13, 2021 04:07 |
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LDS and SNW are the only Nu-Treks that I’m actively excited about. And SNW still has a good chance of making GBS threads its pants out the door.
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# ? May 13, 2021 04:15 |
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HD DAD posted:LDS and SNW are the only Nu-Treks that I’m actively excited about. And SNW still has a good chance of making GBS threads its pants out the door. COMPUTER OVERRIDE SECURITY LOCK RESTROOM DOOR ALPHA NINE AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGHH goddammit
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# ? May 13, 2021 04:54 |
Kurzon posted:It's clear that Gene Roddenberry and the other Star Trek writers didn't fully think through all thematic choices they made for Star Trek, or maybe they didn't care. The Enterprise-D has families on board, which could make sense for a ship that does long-range scientific work, but then they assign the ship to do dangerous tasks close to home such as patrolling the Cardassian DMZ. I think in the future they're just less precious about kids. Children are capable of being miners and soldiers IRL, we just don't let them have those jobs because they'd take them from the rest of us. Really, it's less about the danger to the kids and more about the potential threat to Cardassians.
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# ? May 13, 2021 05:51 |
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Brawnfire posted:COMPUTER OVERRIDE SECURITY LOCK RESTROOM DOOR ALPHA NINE AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGHH goddammit His name is Captain Christopher Pike, not Captain Christopher Shits All Over The Floor
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# ? May 13, 2021 07:46 |
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G-III posted:3. More to the last part of #2: the scene at the end when Spock finally meets Sarek after his return is way better than people realize. It's the end of a character arch that lasted 30 years on screen. 19 years, but still a good point. Also Lower Decks is great.
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# ? May 13, 2021 08:36 |
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Lower decks makes the baffling at first viewing choice of having most of the cast that you hate, or want to go away, and the rest of the cast being jerks.
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# ? May 13, 2021 15:03 |
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I mean it isn’t to crazy, comedies have been going that way for a while. Started with Seinfield hit its peak with sunny in Philly. Hell they had a kids cartoon do that
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# ? May 13, 2021 15:53 |
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I think there's studio pressure to be way too tryhard in your first couple episodes if you're doing comedy. The Orville had the exact same problem.
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# ? May 13, 2021 17:00 |
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I dunno how LDS was sold to Paramount, but IIRC the only way Orville was able to get the green light is because it was pitched as more-or-less "star trek but with family guy jokes", and it's pretty noticeable how they toned down the slapstick between S1 and S2 e: like it's still definitely a comedy, but in S2 they tend to prioritize plot and character development over devoting scenes entirely to a couple of mediocre jokes
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# ? May 13, 2021 17:56 |
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The Orville experienced the same upswinging in quality TNG did over three seasons in like five episodes max
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# ? May 13, 2021 18:02 |
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I still maintain that even season 1 is solid, it just makes a lot of sacrifices in the name of getting some jokes in kind of like LDS and Trek references
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# ? May 13, 2021 19:13 |
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My 6-year-old's current cartoon addiction is the 2017 Wacky Races remake, and after seeing a few episodes of this incredibly manic, earlier-series-referential, slapstick show it hit me - the first couple of LD episodes are basically done at the same pace and energy level, joke-joke-joke-joke at machine-gun speed. Luckily, it calms down very quickly, and becomes a lot better for it.
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# ? May 13, 2021 19:57 |
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https://twitter.com/KenJennings/status/1392965991844388865?s=20
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# ? May 13, 2021 23:53 |
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Well this was something I didn’t know I wanted.
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# ? May 14, 2021 00:45 |
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I can't help but acknowledge his mask is the exact opposite of the sort required
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# ? May 14, 2021 01:10 |
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Axe-man posted:Lower decks makes the baffling at first viewing choice of having most of the cast that you hate, or want to go away, and the rest of the cast being jerks. Mariner's a jerk and Boimler's a gutless wimp, but Tendy and Rutherford are nothing but well-meaning. And of course, the command staff come off as jerks because they're far away and unconcerned with most of what the other characters have going on, but I think Commander Jack is the only one who really has something wrong with him. There's some kind of idea Mariner has in there about the command staff being stuffed shirts who don't really pay attention to a lot of important things, but it's really muddled with her own personal issues and she never fully articulates most of her feelings, so it's hard to say how much of a point she has.
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# ? May 14, 2021 02:19 |
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complex emotions
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# ? May 14, 2021 02:21 |
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Tighclops posted:The Orville experienced the same upswinging in quality TNG did over three seasons in like five episodes max poo poo, I gave up on Orville after two episodes. Sounds like I need to rectify this ASAP. E: to be clear, I didn’t “this poo poo sucks I’m out” give up, it was more of a “heh I guess this is OK let’s see what else is on [and the he never watched again]” give up.
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# ? May 14, 2021 02:26 |
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Orville definitely suffers from Seth McFarlane inserting himself as lead. I really wish he had at least made his character be the XO to his wife as captain.
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# ? May 14, 2021 02:39 |
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Martytoof posted:poo poo, I gave up on Orville after two episodes. Sounds like I need to rectify this ASAP. The first episode is the worst one. It rapidly improves.
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# ? May 14, 2021 02:46 |
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Martytoof posted:poo poo, I gave up on Orville after two episodes. Sounds like I need to rectify this ASAP. Honestly I was just barely high enough to stick it out past the pilot but it was worth it.
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# ? May 14, 2021 03:15 |
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Martytoof posted:poo poo, I gave up on Orville after two episodes. Sounds like I need to rectify this ASAP. Yeah, there's maybe one or two episodes worse than that later on, but most of it is decent to good.
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# ? May 14, 2021 03:17 |
jeeves posted:Orville definitely suffers from Seth McFarlane inserting himself as lead. I thought it would be worst then it is, mainly they don't make him out to be all that great of a captain and kind of a creepy rear end in a top hat. Like if he was Burnham levels of saving the universe single over and over I'd feel different.
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# ? May 14, 2021 03:24 |
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socialsecurity posted:I thought it would be worst then it is, mainly they don't make him out to be all that great of a captain and kind of a creepy rear end in a top hat. Like if he was Burnham levels of saving the universe single over and over I'd feel different. Yeah he's perfectly fine and resists the urge to make it just a vanity project starring himself. It's a real ensemble cast.
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# ? May 14, 2021 03:40 |
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I also really liked how the alternate future episode was a love letter to Star Wars, inside a show that's a love letter to Star Trek S3's gonna be great too, it's on Hulu so they probably had even less pressure to make it funny for funny's sake
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# ? May 14, 2021 04:05 |
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Orville is perfectly pleasant TV comfort food and hits all the right spots as a TNG pastiche.
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# ? May 14, 2021 06:39 |
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Martytoof posted:poo poo, I gave up on Orville after two episodes. Sounds like I need to rectify this ASAP. Yeah, definitely rectify that. By about halfway into the first season it completely finds its stride. Has a massive amount of Trek alumni behind the scenes as well.
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Laterite posted:Orville is perfectly pleasant TV comfort food and hits all the right spots as a TNG pastiche. It's the TNG 2.0 the Berman era wanted to make but couldn't get right.
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# ? May 14, 2021 18:46 |
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Yeah IMO the main complaint one could make about Orville is that it tries too hard to just be TNG, but IMO that's not a bad thing, and I think it succeeds at it pretty well, while still maintaining its own sense of individuality.
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# ? May 14, 2021 19:01 |
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It’s definitely a bad thing in the first season because you can tell exactly which TNG A & B plots it’s cribbing from in each episode, but season two was a huge improvement.
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# ? May 14, 2021 19:27 |
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If they were straight up copying TNG plots 1-1 then I would have punched out before the end of the first season, their inspirations are often clear but they always put a spin on it to keep it fresh.
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# ? May 14, 2021 19:29 |
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To be fair in 7 seasons TNG covered pretty much the gamut of possible "new aliens are weird in _____ way" I like that certain plot threads aren't just one-offs; despite how poorly some of it is handled I really like the overarching Moclan Females bit e: the real triumph IMO is the character development, even joke characters like Yaphit (aka a dog-sized CGI snot mound voiced by Norm MacDonald) end up being people you want to see more of. I think Penny Johnson Jerald's character is fantastic, and even for how much I usually dislike Seth McFarlane, it's nice to see that his character is intentionally written as a flawed, but trying, human being, rather than just a perfect Picard knockoff. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 14, 2021 |
# ? May 14, 2021 20:13 |
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There is one episode of Orville in later season 1 that is incredibly bad though.
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# ? May 15, 2021 01:15 |
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Hey a couple Orville S1 episodes clearly from Voyager plots
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# ? May 15, 2021 01:33 |
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If anyone has any Discovery DVDs or Blurays, do they have Klingon subtitles? I don't mean English subtitles for the Klingons, I mean CBS provided Klingon subtitles for the entire show while it was streaming but I can't find them anywhere and I'm seeing mixed reports online.
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# ? May 15, 2021 01:58 |
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Marx Headroom posted:If anyone has any Discovery DVDs or Blurays, do they have Klingon subtitles? I don't mean English subtitles for the Klingons, I mean CBS provided Klingon subtitles for the entire show while it was streaming but I can't find them anywhere and I'm seeing mixed reports online. I don't see them on my copy.
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# ? May 15, 2021 02:09 |
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The Orville lost me on the episode that's just rape jokes all the way through, and where the resolution is just pheremone mind-controlling the two alien leaders so they gently caress each other and acting like that will fix everything.
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Roadie posted:The Orville lost me on the episode that's just rape jokes all the way through, and where the resolution is just pheremone mind-controlling the two alien leaders so they gently caress each other and acting like that will fix everything. It was a good angry flower arc.
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