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Letting you save Aeris would be incredibly cowardly on squares part. If you want deaths to mean something they've gotta stay dead, not get reconned back to life decades later.
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Gaius Marius posted:Letting you save Aeris would be incredibly cowardly on squares part. If you want deaths to mean something they've gotta stay dead, not get reconned back to life decades later. But what about when you're telling two different stories? The game has been pretty up-front about NOT being a retelling of the original FF7. Everything that happened in OG FF7 happened. That story has been told. Now they're telling a new story, which may have different themes, mood, emotional arcs, etc.
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May 13, 2021 18:10
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it’s pretty much a retelling of the original with some extra scenes at this point.
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May 13, 2021 18:21
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boop the snoot posted:it’s pretty much a retelling of the original with some extra scenes at this point. the party literally goes to war with the original by the end of FF7R, things are probably going to get pretty wacky by the time part 2 rolls around
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May 13, 2021 18:24
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Oxxidation posted:the party literally goes to war with the original by the end of FF7R, things are probably going to get pretty wacky by the time part 2 rolls around Oh I get it now, the remakes are gonna end with fighting the development team.
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May 13, 2021 18:29
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Electric Phantasm posted:Oh I get it now, the remakes are gonna end with fighting the development team. FFXII did it (yazmat!)
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May 13, 2021 18:32
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playing this for the first time, and boy, was Roche an embarrassing and insufferable character, and practically the whole writing around the sector 7 compound juvenile. Wedge was immature in the original, too, but here he is just straight out of a television show for children
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May 13, 2021 18:36
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Your gonna get pushback for that but let it be known I agree with you that Roche sucked rear end. Schwartzcough posted:But what about when you're telling two different stories? The game has been pretty up-front about NOT being a retelling of the original FF7. Everything that happened in OG FF7 happened. That story has been told. Now they're telling a new story, which may have different themes, mood, emotional arcs, etc. If Shakespeare wrote a sequel to Romeo and Juliet where they both lived and ended the feud it would be a bad play.
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it’s the odd cognitive dissonance of on the one hand feeling like you should be the target audience for this, having played the original as a teen in 1997, and the writing making it apparent that, no, it’s the teens of today that’s the real target audience the gameplay is fun at least, and Barret is true to character in a big way
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They're probably gonna play it straight and it'll probably be as okay as it was in the original, but until we get there I feel like it's just gonna retroactively make how they've written Remake Aerith and her relationship with the party feel like lame playing up of the meme sad moment. Gaius Marius posted:If Shakespeare wrote a sequel to Romeo and Juliet where they both lived and ended the feud it would be a bad play. It'd be good if it was executed well, and bad if it wasn't.
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May 13, 2021 18:51
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boop the snoot posted:it’s pretty much a retelling of the original with some extra scenes at this point. ??????????? ulvir posted:playing this for the first time, and boy, was Roche an embarrassing and insufferable character, and practically the whole writing around the sector 7 compound juvenile. Wedge was immature in the original, too, but here he is just straight out of a television show for children lol ok gas teh thread
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May 13, 2021 18:59
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ulvir posted:it’s the odd cognitive dissonance of on the one hand feeling like you should be the target audience for this, having played the original as a teen in 1997, and the writing making it apparent that, no, it’s the teens of today that’s the real target audience You not liking the writing doesn't mean it wasn't written for people who played the original, don't be weird about it
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May 13, 2021 19:00
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not sure what’s weird about me feeling too old for the writing in that chapter
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Gaius Marius posted:If Shakespeare wrote a sequel to Romeo and Juliet where they both lived and ended the feud it would be a bad play. That's a mighty big conclusion to jump to without ever reading a single word of this hypothetical play! Let's take classic movie, The Princess Bride. The hero gets the girl, the villain is humiliated, and friends ride off into the distance to presumably live happily ever after. Most people agree this was a good, fun, light-hearted story! Now let's pretend a little-known "author's cut" had previously been written, with a different tone. Wesley was never revived. Inigo dies attempting to avenge his father. Fezzik manages to rescue Buttercup, but the ending is bittersweet from all that was lost. Is the original suddenly "instantly bad" because it didn't follow the author's cut? Is the original now "bad" because "a silly miracle was used to revive Wesley and everyone has a happy ending and it's unrealistic"? Or is the author's cut "bad" because it didn't follow what the later, well-liked movie did? Or, maybe, stories can stand on their own and each can be appreciated for what it is, without other works "ruining" them or new works being "bad" because they do something differently. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 19:37 on May 13, 2021 |
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ulvir posted:not sure what’s weird about me feeling too old for the writing in that chapter I'm more than likely much older than you and I liked it. Don't be weird. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it wasn't written for (potentially) everyone. Levantine fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 19:24
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stating a subjective experience isn’t being weird, I never said someone older than N could ever enjoy it
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Levantine posted:They would not have stopped him the first time around without Aerith directing the lifesteam (I think). I mean, some people still believe that Aerith directed the lifestream to kill all humanity, so maybe it's a good thing to save her in that timeline?
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May 13, 2021 19:44
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Ace Transmuter posted:I mean, some people still believe that Aerith directed the lifestream to kill all humanity, so maybe it's a good thing to save her in that timeline? I really do hope the story goes directly off the rails and stays there and gets absolutely as weird as it wants to so that would be a really good story hook IMO.
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Back when it came out, an LP of XIII-2 referred to it as the Chrono Cross of FF. I imagine these LP'ers meant it as an insult since they didn't like XIII-2 but it's a very apt little description. XIII-2 had Chrono style alternate endings and this is an awesome idea I want in more games. I doubt I'll ever play it but if they had multiple endings depending on NG+ and beating the villain at various points in the narrative, I'd be all over FFVIIR-2. They could do all sorts of craziness.
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Gaius Marius posted:Your gonna get pushback for that but let it be known I agree with you that Roche sucked rear end. Romeo and Juliet isn’t a good play because of the shock ending and it’s incredibly silly to imply so
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May 13, 2021 20:23
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Electric Phantasm posted:Oh I get it now, the remakes are gonna end with fighting the development team. https://youtu.be/b614MYFxRwc
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May 13, 2021 21:01
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roche is cool and good he'll be even more cool and good if he keeps showing up and has progressively lost his mind more and more each time
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May 13, 2021 21:12
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My only hope is that Roche appears on increasingly more elaborate and impractical vehicles.
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exquisite tea posted:My only hope is that Roche appears on increasingly more elaborate and impractical vehicles. I hope Roche comes back next time riding a mechanical horse that's also riding a motorcycle. Make us fight another HellHouse but it's been completely turned into a robot and Roche is piloting it.
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We get to Costa del Sol and Roche is there at the beach. Also his motorcycle is there with its own beach blanket.
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Roche should ride Heavy Tank, the dinosaur torso with tank treads If not, I at least hope it gets the Hell House treatment for a boss fight
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May 13, 2021 21:37
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I've said it before, but Roche shows up during chocobo racing, riding his chocobo in the exact same manner he rode his motorcycle.
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May 13, 2021 21:37
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Roche better be driving the truck that hits Palmer
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Roche better be a playable character
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boop the snoot posted:Roche better be a playable character I want Roche and Cid to be fast friends despite all expectations that they'd absolutely hate each other.
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Roche is Cid’s son. Boom, it’s canon.
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Picturing Roche sitting on his motorcycle, listening to someone describe the horsepower of Shinra No. 26, hyperventilating like Aerith.
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doos posted:Picturing Roche sitting on his motorcycle, listening to someone describe the horsepower of Shinra No. 26, hyperventilating like Aerith. Roche riding Shinra No. 26 into space like the Dr. Strangelove scene in reverse
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What if Sephiroth just doesn't summon meteor this time Like he already tried that and knows what happens
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Gaius Marius posted:If Shakespeare wrote a sequel to Romeo and Juliet where they both lived and ended the feud it would be a bad play. Good thing this is a video game then
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May 14, 2021 04:14
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SephiRoche.
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Hope the game to keep diverging from the original more with each episode. Also, Roche owns
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Rochemeo and... JulieAerith?
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Funky Valentine posted:SephiRoche. I can't believe you'd just spoil Part 3 like that.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Oh I get it now, the remakes are gonna end with fighting the development team. Truly the meta plot the fanbase deserves.
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