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Lurdiak posted:
There's 5 hours between his post and yours, I don't think it would help at that point.
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DrVenkman posted:Paul Walter Hauser is right. But it also goes both ways, like Disney and their Girlboss pandering leading people to elevate mediocre poo poo because it expressed politics you personally agree with. I get it, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think a lot of current criticism wasn't done with one eye on the reviewer thinking how they'll be perceived for liking/disliking something. Are we really going to pretend that we don't see it when someone mentions a piece of Art and someone else instantly wants to remind them of some *problematic* part of it? I don't know, I don't think there's much to be gained by assuming everyone bringing up elements they're uncomfortable with in media or that they think have bad political implications is simply being performative. Sure, sometimes they are, but it's usually really transparent. If you start dismissing those perspectives or assigning hidden motives to them you're likely to foster a reactionary mindset where you react with hostility at anyone trying to say anything about media that has any political analysis in it. Besides it's not like someone taking a post on CD out of context in bad faith would do anything, none of us are famous to begin with.
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therattle posted:Fellas, fellas, please! Cogent, reasonable arguments without resorting to hyperbole and ad hominem attacks, and respectfully acknowledging the other side's views without agreeing with them is not how it's done! This is the Internet! I can't believe nobody even mentioned Hitler.  look at this loving Nazi telling us what to do, get hosed!!!
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CPL593H posted:I should also say that I don't think anyone is a horrible monster if they like movies with problematic elements. But I think it's okay for people to be like "No, this is not okay.". I'm sure every single one of us likes some problematic movies and I don't exclude myself. But in my case I feel like Tropic Thunder might be going too far. This is a misunderstanding of problematization, because problematization is good. The entire point is to draw attention to and question things that seem ‘natural’ or whatever. The minute that you think that you have an unproblematic film, that is when you are within ideology. The question is not a film’s problematicness, but whether it is interestingly so. Like, what precisely can we take from Tropic Thunder? How do we read the meta-blackface in context with the Tom Cruise character, or the makeup used to make the RDJ character ‘naturally’ blonde and blue-eyed? Are we not meant to notice that he’s got those tinted contact lenses that make him look like Aquaman?
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May 13, 2021 15:40
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Lurdiak posted:Comedies should be actual movies, not a series of wacky improv scenes that barely connect. Unless that's like, literally the idea, like Monty Python and The Meaning of Life. Zoolander is a series of barely-held-together sketches, but it’s shot and edited like an actual movie. Also, Zoolander’s better than Tropic Thunder because it succeeds more at what it’s trying to do than Tropic Thunder does, and it’s way funnier. No shade to Tropic Thunder on the humor front, Zoolander’s just one of the funniest movies ever made.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Zoolander is a series of barely-held-together sketches, but it’s shot and edited like an actual movie. Also, Zoolander’s better than Tropic Thunder because it succeeds more at what it’s trying to do than Tropic Thunder does, and it’s way funnier. No shade to Tropic Thunder on the humor front, Zoolander’s just one of the funniest movies ever made. Which makes how dire Zoolander 2 is so much worse Although I did laugh at the joke about the School for Kids Who Wanna Read Good burning down because they made it out of the materials they used for the model
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May 13, 2021 15:54
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Zoolander is funnier than most comedy movies so I don’t think anything should be anything. poo poo still makes me laugh.
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May 13, 2021 16:04
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Zoolander is hilarious ergo it’s a good comedy movie. Now there are different kinds of comedy movies, and some do a narrative better than Zoolander does, and that’s ok. But must of them aren’t as funny. And if anyone disagrees with me I’ll find out where you live and spray you with skunk juice!
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DrVenkman posted:Paul Walter Hauser is right. But it also goes both ways, like Disney and their Girlboss pandering leading people to elevate mediocre poo poo because it expressed politics you personally agree with. I get it, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think a lot of current criticism wasn't done with one eye on the reviewer thinking how they'll be perceived for liking/disliking something. Are we really going to pretend that we don't see it when someone mentions a piece of Art and someone else instantly wants to remind them of some *problematic* part of it? I'm of two minds about it. I'm not sure this is what he intended to argue, but I do think there's a tendency for people to rely on political judgments about a film's content to determine whether the movie is "good" or "bad". There can be lots of reasons for doing that, from bad faith ways to signal inclusion in an in-group to people trying in good faith to articulate reasons why they genuinely didn't like a movie. In either case, I think using a political lens solely, to the exclusion of any other way to interpret a movie, deprives someone of fully appreciating what movies can do. I also think it's the case that most people will like a movie with problematic elements if it's well-made and inventive. Like, Police Story is absolute copaganda, but it's a great movie. For a more recent example, Ari Aster's movies explore Objectivist themes, but I think very few people uncharitably label them as indulging in wrong think. On the other hand, I don't think it's productive to throw away political analysis entirely as a method for interpreting movies, and as Lurdiak said I don't think it's productive to dismiss all such criticism as performative. Ultimately, doing so leads to a kind of conservative outlook.
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It's also possible to enjoy media with worldviews you don't agree with. Just off the top of my head I like Dirty Harry and a whole bunch of other poo poo that's basically copaganda and I'm certainly not a fan of cops in real life. And also I'm really glad I don't live in an area where scorpions will just wander into people's houses.
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May 13, 2021 22:54
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CPL593H posted:
The idea of getting stung by a scorpion is horrifying, but the idea of living somewhere where that might happen more than once in a lifetime, jesus.
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May 13, 2021 23:06
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Scorpions aren't real.
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May 13, 2021 23:12
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Skwirl posted:The idea of getting stung by a scorpion is horrifying, but the idea of living somewhere where that might happen more than once in a lifetime, jesus. Here's what got me about that story. It makes sense if you get stung by a scorpion because you were walking around outside with no shoes on. It does no make sense that scorpions are just stinging people sitting around the house. I'm in Massachusetts so we don't have scorpions at all and mostly don't have huge bugs and spiders that will bite you. FreudianSlippers posted:Scorpions aren't real. Then who is going around rocking people like a hurricane?
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May 13, 2021 23:15
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FreudianSlippers posted:Scorpions aren't real. They are, and I’m rebranding them as land prawns.
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May 13, 2021 23:22
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CPL593H posted:Here's what got me about that story. It makes sense if you get stung by a scorpion because you were walking around outside with no shoes on. It does no make sense that scorpions are just stinging people sitting around the house. I'm in Massachusetts so we don't have scorpions at all and mostly don't have huge bugs and spiders that will bite you. Seattle and same. I mean we have some gnarly spiders, but you only have to worry about them if you're rich enough to have a chimney and you store your wood outside.
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May 13, 2021 23:24
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When I used to live in the California desert I'd have to go out to the pool every day and fish out all the dead scorpions before diving into that sweet, sweet scorpion soup. 
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May 13, 2021 23:33
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I am alive, and my back is still sore, but have obtained ZERO scorpion-based superpowers. Fuckin’ bullshit.
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May 13, 2021 23:35
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Gonz posted:I am alive, and my back is still sore, but have obtained ZERO scorpion-based superpowers. It wasn't a radioactive scorpion.
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May 13, 2021 23:36
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Gonz posted:I am alive, and my back is still sore, but have obtained ZERO scorpion-based superpowers. You're posting on here with us. Have you considered the fact that maybe you died and went to Hell?
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May 13, 2021 23:43
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CPL593H posted:You're posting on here with us. Have you considered the fact that maybe you died and went to Hell? That’s impossible. I don’t even see Billy Zane from Demon Knight.
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May 13, 2021 23:51
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I've been stung by a bee three times. Really not interested in the scorpion and spider versions of that experience.
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May 13, 2021 23:52
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Have you guys thought about living like bubble boy? Problem solved. No more bites.
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May 13, 2021 23:58
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They're making an animated Ultraman movie about a baseball player who must become Ultraman in order to raise a baby kaiju. https://twitter.com/TsuburayaGlobal/status/1392947762300391431?s=19
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May 14, 2021 00:47
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id prob take a scorpion sting over a fire ant bite. those are not fun
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banned from Starbucks posted:id prob take a scorpion sting over a fire ant bite. those are not fun I'm glad I don't have the life experience to make an educated guess about that.
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May 14, 2021 01:34
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There is actually a pain scale for stings and bites from insects.
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May 14, 2021 01:40
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The worst critters we get in west Missouri are brown recluse and black widow spiders, but we've found a couple garter snakes in our house too.
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May 14, 2021 01:44
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Garter snakes aren't dangerous at all. Black Widow is obviously dangerous and Brown Recluse will give you a nasty bite, but Garter Snakes are less dangerous than mice.
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May 14, 2021 01:50
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I'd rather get bit by just about anything than get sprayed by a skunk.
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May 14, 2021 02:12
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Eric Andre is gonna be on Righteous Gemstones https://tv.avclub.com/thank-god-jason-schwartzman-eric-andre-and-eric-robe-1846891905
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May 14, 2021 02:24
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Eric Andre is gonna be on Righteous Gemstones Holy poo poo, Eric Roberts is going to be on the Righteous Gemstones!
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Hoop Dreams posted:Have you guys thought about living like bubble boy? Problem solved. No more bites. Will Jake Gyllenhaal be in there with me?
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May 14, 2021 04:13
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Skwirl posted:Garter snakes aren't dangerous at all. Black Widow is obviously dangerous and Brown Recluse will give you a nasty bite, but Garter Snakes are less dangerous than mice. The garter snakes are harmless, but I still don't like randomly stumbling across one in the house and trying to remove it.
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May 14, 2021 04:13
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Today I learned Troma helped distribute My Neighbor Totoro in the U.S.
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May 14, 2021 04:15
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The last time I picked up a garter snake it poo poo on me.
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May 14, 2021 04:16
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Underground Railroad is out now! So many hours of new Barry Jenkins filmmaking.
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CPL593H posted:The last time I picked up a garter snake it poo poo on me. I can’t believe I have to say this...
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May 14, 2021 08:27
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I've managed to go my entire life without being stung by an insect, although a wasp once crawled up my shorts and bit me while I was sitting, inside, at my computer.
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Hoop Dreams posted:There is actually a pain scale for stings and bites from insects. A guy lets himself get bit or stung by just about every insect imaginable for science, but the mere fact that a guy willingly got bit or stung by just about every insect imaginable makes me doubt his judgment and therefore his findings as well.
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I've only gotten stung by bees from stepping on half-dead ones. Found it more annoying than anything, but it might depend on the bee.
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