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Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

punishedkissinger posted:

What does tether do exactly? People use it to buy bitcoin?
That's the beauty of it, man. It doesn't do anything.

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happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392947696470659072?s=20
Bitcoiners are losing their minds with rage over this and I love it.

https://twitter.com/CryptoWhale/status/1392949658281037829

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

I mean he’s just blatantly pump and dumping at this point.

https://twitter.com/IOHK_Charles/status/1392975995356000256

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

buttcoin

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

:hmmyes:

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
crypto can't die until elon tweets this

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

punishedkissinger posted:

What does tether do exactly? People use it to buy bitcoin?

an exchange created their own money they claimed were basically dollars.

they then bought billions of dollars of bitcoin from themselves with their own money since it's basically dollars. this caused the 2017 prices.

Courts are finally proving all of the critics right and that it was complete bullshit.

As for what it actually is supposed to do? True believers use it as a "Stablecoin" that never changes in value because the gimmick is that 1 USDT = 1 USD always, and since it's a cryptocurrency it's used at most exchanges. In the shiftier/smaller exchanges where you can buy the sketchier coins and daytrade on huge leverages they have USDT trading pairs for everything but not necessarily USD due to banking regulations. So you put your bots or your sell orders or whatever as (Shitcon)>USDT>(Shitcoin) since it was the "Safe" cryptocurrency attached to everything that never changed value.

Using an intermediate cryptocurrency to daytrade is risky since the entire market tends to move mostly as one, up or down. So jumping out of ButtholeGold into ButtholeSilver just exposes you to ButtholeSilver's crash. Going to BTC? ETH? same thing. USDT never changes value though because there is one dollar for every tether. It will forever remain $1. So instantly sell your 500 buttholegold for $5000 in USDT. Then when buttholegold follows the entire market down you buy 1000 buttholegold for $5000 USDT and double your initial position for any new swings.

How all of that works now that it's being revealed that there is no actual money backing them is a mystery. Maybe cryptocurrency itself became worth so much money that it no longer matters if tethers have any connection to reality. I mean Bitcoin is worth billions now partially because of the background market manipulation that went on because of tether but there are a bunch of "Stablecoins" now. Tether going down might wipe out the Bitfinex exchange and anyone with assets on it but that would be a minor speed bump at this point.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Did grimes nft sales not go well or something

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Rectal Death Adept posted:

an exchange created their own money they claimed were basically dollars.

they then bought billions of dollars of bitcoin from themselves with their own money since it's basically dollars. this caused the 2017 prices.

Courts are finally proving all of the critics right and that it was complete bullshit.

As for what it actually is supposed to do? True believers use it as a "Stablecoin" that never changes in value because the gimmick is that 1 USDT = 1 USD always, and since it's a cryptocurrency it's used at most exchanges. In the shiftier/smaller exchanges where you can buy the sketchier coins and daytrade on huge leverages they have USDT trading pairs for everything but not necessarily USD due to banking regulations. So you put your bots or your sell orders or whatever as (Shitcon)>USDT>(Shitcoin) since it was the "Safe" cryptocurrency attached to everything that never changed value.

Using an intermediate cryptocurrency to daytrade is risky since the entire market tends to move mostly as one, up or down. So jumping out of ButtholeGold into ButtholeSilver just exposes you to ButtholeSilver's crash. Going to BTC? ETH? same thing. USDT never changes value though because there is one dollar for every tether. It will forever remain $1. So instantly sell your 500 buttholegold for $5000 in USDT. Then when buttholegold follows the entire market down you buy 1000 buttholegold for $5000 USDT and double your initial position for any new swings.

How all of that works now that it's being revealed that there is no actual money backing them is a mystery. Maybe cryptocurrency itself became worth so much money that it no longer matters if tethers have any connection to reality. I mean Bitcoin is worth billions now partially because of the background market manipulation that went on because of tether but there are a bunch of "Stablecoins" now. Tether going down might wipe out the Bitfinex exchange and anyone with assets on it but that would be a minor speed bump at this point.

It works by being a ponzi scheme with extra steps.

Too many people come asking that exchange for American currency and they run out.

Then they get “hacked.”

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

if tether is equivalent to USD why not just actually use USD?

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Who Confirmed My Block Last Night?

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme

punishedkissinger posted:

if tether is equivalent to USD why not just actually use USD?

You need to convince an actual bank to work with you to do that, and you also need to have actual USD to use.

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls


punishedkissinger posted:

if tether is equivalent to USD why not just actually use USD?

There's a lot of laws and regulations when you're actually using USD for poo poo. There's IRS & FBI regulations when it comes to USD transactions and they can probably ignore a lot of it by using a pretend monopoly currency instead.

Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



punishedkissinger posted:

if tether is equivalent to USD why not just actually use USD?

they don’t have actual usd

Andy Dufresne
Aug 4, 2010

The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die
By pretending USD is just another shitcoin these exchanges can set up shop literally overnight

Oh and they can be run anonymously by convicted felons

Andy Dufresne fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 14, 2021

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Tether is basically closer to a crypto security. There will be others this year. My bots trading coins vs USDT via futures are the most profitable and easiest to cash out via coinbase.

drk
Jan 16, 2005
problem: most crypto exchanges are fairly (extremely) unsavory

problem: banks ask for all sorts of like, documents

problem: occasionally, even bag holders would like to cash out so they can buy things that arent crypto (or, lets be honest, buy different crypto)

solution: mint some crypto-IOUs!

Tether's real customers, and undoubtedly the major holders of tether are exchanges. Most likely, tether gives tokens to them in exchange for a short term debt obligation (this is probably what their "commercial paper" is), and the exchange instantly has liquidity in its markets. In hot markets, it all works because more (real) money is coming in than is going out.

drk fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 14, 2021

ChronoBasher
Jul 2, 2007

ArcMage posted:

You need to convince an actual bank to work with you to do that, and you also need to have actual USD to use.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/facebook-backed-diem-is-moving-from-switzerland-to-the-us.html


article posted:

(Diem) will move its operations to the U.S. and has partnered with crypto-friendly bank Silvergate to issue a dollar-backed stablecoin.

the last signal...
Apr 16, 2009

punishedkissinger posted:

if tether is equivalent to USD why not just actually use USD?

selling bitcoin is a taxable event, so using tether skips that if your plan is just to purchase other cryptos in the cryptocasino

Andy Dufresne
Aug 4, 2010

The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die

the last signal... posted:

selling bitcoin is a taxable event, so using tether skips that if your plan is just to purchase other cryptos in the cryptocasino

Are you talking in terms of tax avoidance using offshore exchanges that don't report to the US? Because even crypto for crypto exchanges are a taxable event, just like trading some GME for TSLA would be a taxable event.

the last signal...
Apr 16, 2009

Andy Dufresne posted:

Are you talking in terms of tax avoidance using offshore exchanges that don't report to the US? Because even crypto for crypto exchanges are a taxable event, just like trading some GME for TSLA would be a taxable event.

yeah you're 100% right, not sure why I thought otherwise

drk
Jan 16, 2005
edit: cant read posts

catspleen
Sep 12, 2003

I orphaned his children. I widowed his wife.

drk posted:

edit: cant read posts

Don’t read, only post.

drk
Jan 16, 2005
ok

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/technology/colonial-pipeline-ransom.html posted:


Colonial Pipeline paid its extortionists roughly 75 Bitcoin, or nearly $5 million, to recover its stolen data, according to five people briefed on the transaction.

The payment came after hackers last week held up Colonial Pipeline’s business networks with ransomware, a form of malware that encrypts data until the victim pays, and threatened to release it online. Colonial Pipeline pre-emptively shut down its pipeline operations to keep the ransomware from spreading and because it had no way to bill customers with its business and accounting networks offline.

should play well with regulators

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

the last signal... posted:

selling bitcoin is a taxable event, so using tether skips that if your plan is just to purchase other cryptos in the cryptocasino

This one weird trick is not how taxes work. If you use cryptocurrency to buy anything, including other cryptocurrencies, it is a taxable event.

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme

Yeah, if you're literally facebook and you're foolishly sincere about it you can do it, but it's a lot of effort and a huge initial and continuing expenditure to actually do what everyone is pretending Tether does.

Being painfully sincere about it and having done all the effort means that Diem is going to be much less palatable to crypto's main users, and harder to use for their primary purposes of money laundering and IPO scamming.

ArcMage fucked around with this message at 05:14 on May 14, 2021

Flannelette
Jan 17, 2010


Invest now!

https://bscscan.com/token/0xd2602dbb063627b80d5ae671007900f558c49e35

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

fuckelon sounds like something that evolves from eevee

Cirrhosis Johnson
Jan 9, 2014
Why is Bitcoin going back up? Too many Nazi MAGAs buying it imo

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




drk posted:

Yes, I actually rounded up to 3.9% The rest is "backed" by dubious, unnamed sources of debt (could be legit, could be nearly worthless).

https://amycastor.com/2021/05/13/tethers-first-breakdown-of-reserves-consists-of-two-silly-pie-charts/

Almost certainly worthless. One of Tether's big things has been giving USDT to exchanges too shady to have bank relationships in exchange for IOUS, to keep them liquid.

spunkshui posted:

It works by being a ponzi scheme with extra steps.

Too many people come asking that exchange for American currency and they run out.

Then they get “hacked.”

They don't even bother. Bitfinex calls in the 'debts' owed by Tether, siphoning off all the cash reserves before the suckers know what's up, then Tether just shrugs, goes tits up, and the whole crypto economy vanishes up its own rear end leaving millions of bagholders.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:54 on May 14, 2021

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

InternetJunky posted:

Maybe then all the "environmentalists" in this thread would lose the moral high ground.

:fry:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Cirrhosis Johnson posted:

Why is Bitcoin going back up? Too many Nazi MAGAs buying it imo

The same reason it goes down: no reason.

Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


the last signal... posted:

selling bitcoin is a taxable event, so using tether skips that if your plan is just to purchase other cryptos in the cryptocasino

If you're an American taxpayer, this is incorrect. Trading a cryptocurrency for any other asset, whether it be dollars or Tether's fake dollars or other cryptos or a used car, is a taxable event.

edit:

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

There's a lot of laws and regulations when you're actually using USD for poo poo. There's IRS & FBI regulations when it comes to USD transactions and they can probably ignore a lot of it by using a pretend monopoly currency instead.
Specifically, there are anti-money-laundering and know-your-customer (AML/KYC) laws that an exchange must follow if it wants to have a bank account where it can keep actual US dollars for customers, and those are the laws the Tether-based exchanges really want to avoid because they don't actually want to know their customers or discourage money laundering. The original, stated goal of Tether (before they realized it could also be used as something akin to a Ponzi scheme) was to give those exchanges a US dollar lookalike that could magically be treated like a dollar without actually being a dollar and thus subject to all those pesky American banking laws and regulations. Of course, in order to do this Tether has been in clear violation of American securities laws since day one, and most exchanges using Tether are probably in violation of American securities exchange laws, but hey, what's a little bit of securities fraud amongst friends?

All the criticism about their reserves is hilarious and true, it's a complete house of cards... but also the reserves problem is incidental to the little matter of how the entire concept is illegal, it's just the kind of illegal that takes the feds years and years to do something about. The feds don't really show much haste on white-collar crimes like these unless someone's gotten hurt badly, and nobody's gotten hurt badly yet because the market's been going up.

notwithoutmyanus posted:

Tether is basically closer to a crypto security. There will be others this year. My bots trading coins vs USDT via futures are the most profitable and easiest to cash out via coinbase.

I wish you and your accountant Godspeed in the 2021 personal income tax filing season.

Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 14, 2021

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Blotto_Otter posted:

If you're an American taxpayer, this is incorrect. Trading a cryptocurrency for any other asset, whether it be dollars or Tether's fake dollars or other cryptos or a used car, is a taxable event.

I will also confirm that there are similar (if not outright) exact laws in Canada, as well -- which leads me to assume that most countries have similar laws. tl;dr: you cannot get one up on your government (unless you're already rich as poo poo or it's a very tiny amount).

Now that I think about it, I should find out whether or not cryptocurrency falls under foreign holdings (if you own at least C$100,000, you're legally required to disclose this to CRA). Maybe just holding cryptocurrency wouldn't qualify, but I imagine holding that much on a foreign exchange might.

Laopooh
Jul 15, 2000

What's a goon trusted site to buy these buttbucks? There's too many pages in this thread to scour. PS: im dumb

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

Laopooh posted:

What's a goon trusted site to buy these buttbucks? There's too many pages in this thread to scour. PS: im dumb

don't buy bitscoin. they don't exist

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Laopooh posted:

What's a goon trusted site to buy these buttbucks? There's too many pages in this thread to scour. PS: im dumb



The whole point of Bitts is that you're not allowed to trust them.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe
Bitcoin burned down my house and killed my hamster and I am going to find it and make it pay

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
send me your money and I'll get some bitcoin for you

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Laopooh
Jul 15, 2000

HIJK posted:

send me your money and I'll get some bitcoin for you

I am interested in some doges to use the scant remainder of my bidenbux on. Where should I forward my payment info?

(I do want to buy a few, dunno where to get them though and goons are infinitely better than google so I thought I'd ask ^^)

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