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The Mandarin was the baddie in two episodes of an incredibly cheap iron man cartoon show I watched three episodes of off a rented video tape when I was about 5 so how very dare they destroy my childhood.
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I mean they were retconing Shang-Chi's dad to be the Mandarin. Originally his dad was Fu Manchu.
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May 14, 2021 05:57
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MonsieurChoc posted:I mean they were retconing Shang-Chi's dad to be the Mandarin. Marvel lost the rights to Fu Manchu a long time ago, the comics also retconned his dad years ago (although they didn't use the Mandarin afaik) Of course if anyone could have managed to buy the rights to Sax Rohmer's back catalogue it would have been Disney but I guess they weren't all that concerned
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May 14, 2021 07:03
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I thought Fu Manchu was public domain by now.
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May 14, 2021 08:27
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Just create a new character called Ma Funchu, who cares?
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May 14, 2021 09:08
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The MSJ posted:Well this is ironic. Business as usual, CCP censors just negotiating a bigger kickback from Disney while shielding by bullshit concerns
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May 14, 2021 09:54
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought Fu Manchu was public domain by now. The first three pre-1923 books are now public domain but Sax Rohmer's estate trademarked the character
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May 14, 2021 09:59
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Marvel lost the rights to Fu Manchu a long time ago, the comics also retconned his dad years ago (although they didn't use the Mandarin afaik) Why would they want one of their big MCU movies to feature Chinese Uncle Remus? Though, bizarrely, I think I recall something where the general plots for the Fu Manchu books were the "heroes" trying to stop Fu Manchu from preventing/over-throwing world-wide white supremacy. So, Fu Manchu was kind of the actual hero of those books?
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May 14, 2021 15:06
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Everyone posted:Why would they want one of their big MCU movies to feature Chinese Uncle Remus? Not sure replacing anyone with beloved character "The Mandarin" resolves this issue.
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May 14, 2021 15:12
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Contrary to popular belief, the Mandarin gave himself that nickname because he really loves oranges. 
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May 14, 2021 15:14
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The MSJ posted:Well this is ironic. Wouldn't hurt for at least one american mega-firm to burn their dependence on the CCP.
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May 14, 2021 15:34
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MonsieurChoc posted:I mean they were retconing Shang-Chi's dad to be the Mandarin. They had to change it because they couldn't afford Nicholas Cage's likeness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMiGIzoeBg
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May 14, 2021 15:36
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Neo Rasa posted:They had to change it because they couldn't afford Nicholas Cage's likeness The world didn’t deserve Grindhouse.
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May 14, 2021 15:41
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Everyone posted:Why would they want one of their big MCU movies to feature Chinese Uncle Remus? Yeah, the whole premise is at best Fu Manchu trying to retaliate against European colonialism, a few things (Planetary come to mind) have revisioned him (or an obvious counterpart) as a flat out heroic character.
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May 14, 2021 17:07
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MiddleOne posted:Wouldn't hurt for at least one american mega-firm to burn their dependence on the CCP. They never will. The changes they have to make for the Chinese audience are small enough that it doesn't bother most Americans, they release a different cut, or they just straight up consult with Chinese film board officials while in production to make sure they get it right. Nobody is going to isolate themselves from the fastest growing and soon to be largest market.
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May 14, 2021 17:21
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, the whole premise is at best Fu Manchu trying to retaliate against European colonialism, a few things (Planetary come to mind) have revisioned him (or an obvious counterpart) as a flat out heroic character. So, Asian Killmonger.
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May 14, 2021 18:44
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I think there's something you could do with the Fu Manchu types of the world. Ming the Merciless is a great example as well. You could do something cool and good with them, but the MCU absolutely will not
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May 14, 2021 19:11
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Grendels Dad posted:So, Asian Killmonger. This is Marvel so I expect "So, Asian Killmonger" to be an actual spoken line of dialogue in the movie.
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May 14, 2021 19:19
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Grendels Dad posted:So, Asian Killmonger. Probably closer to Asian Professor Moriarty. Or, hell, just Professor Moriarty and/or the guy who taught Professor Morarity everything that Moriarty knew - but not everything Fu Manchu knew.
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May 14, 2021 19:47
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Everyone posted:Probably closer to Asian Professor Moriarty. Or, hell, just Professor Moriarty and/or the guy who taught Professor Morarity everything that Moriarty knew - but not everything Fu Manchu knew. Professor Moriarty was against European colonialosm?
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May 14, 2021 20:20
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Grendels Dad posted:Professor Moriarty was against European colonialism? Possibly? Within the original stories, this is the sum total that Watson tells us he directly witnessed about Moriarty: quote:When I was near the bottom of the descent I looked back. It was impossible, from that position, to see the fall, but I could see the curving path which winds over the shoulder of the hill and leads to it. Along this a man was, I remember, walking very rapidly. Everything else we "know" about Moriarty comes from Sherlock Holmes - most of it while Holmes sounds like he's tripping balls on cocaine.
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May 15, 2021 03:23
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Marvel lost the rights to Fu Manchu a long time ago, the comics also retconned his dad years ago (although they didn't use the Mandarin afaik) IIRC, they just changed his name, it's still the same dude. Everyone posted:Why would they want one of their big MCU movies to feature Chinese Uncle Remus? When I read the books as a kid, Id efinitely liked Fu Manchu way more than "the heroes". Eventually the racist author came to love his character so much he'd tell in interviews that a world run by Fu Manchu would be better than what we have now lol.
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Moriarty is an Irish name, so I could see a re-imagining of him as an Irish nationalist. But then again the Irish were also over-represented in Britain's imperial military. Moriarty's number two is also Sebastian Moran, who is definitely an arch-imperialist adventurer (with another Irish last name). But then again Watson himself is also a veteran of Britain's imperial wars in Asia.
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Chairman Capone posted:Moriarty is an Irish name, so I could see a re-imagining of him as an Irish nationalist. But then again the Irish were also over-represented in Britain's imperial military. Moriarty's number two is also Sebastian Moran, who is definitely an arch-imperialist adventurer (with another Irish last name). But then again Watson himself is also a veteran of Britain's imperial wars in Asia. Sherlock Holmes' characters is basically stuffy British Magnum PI
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May 17, 2021 03:22
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And now I'm suddenly picturing an Artemis Fowl tie-in.
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May 17, 2021 05:32
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Kind of a minor thing, but Zach Snyder said in an interview that he pitched a third 300 movie, a prequel Batfleck movie about the death of Robin, and an adaption of The Fountainhead to WB and all of them were rejected and dead. The Fountainhead is still listed as an upcoming project on his IMDB page, but he seemed to confirm it was dead because WB turned it down and he "thinks the country is too divided to make an adaptation of The Fountainhead at this time."
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May 18, 2021 18:12
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Also the 300 sequel was a love story between Alexander the Great and his bodyguard Haphaestion.
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May 18, 2021 18:27
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I kind of want the 300 series to continue just to see how far away they can get from the original 300 Spartans and what abstract concept they can attach the idea of "300" onto to keep the franchise. 300: Rise of an Empire was about a completely different city and the number 300 was not relevant at all. 300: Episode 3 would have taken place in a different country and 110 years after the original 300 had died. 300: Episode 7 will be about "300 guys" charging Omaha beach.
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May 18, 2021 18:32
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Frank Miller's actual 300 sequel comic includes Alexander the Great in the final issue. It's also surprisingly not bad, especially by the standards of post-9/11 Frank Miller.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I kind of want the 300 series to continue just to see how far away they can get from the original 300 Spartans and what abstract concept they can attach the idea of "300" onto to keep the franchise. By 2030 we'll have a 300 movie about the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th.
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May 18, 2021 20:13
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Neo Rasa posted:By 2030 we'll have a 300 movie about the people who stormed the Capitol on January 6th. I think you'd find it's going to be called 232.
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May 18, 2021 20:18
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:300: Rise of an Empire was about a completely different city and the number 300 was not relevant at all. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:32 on May 18, 2021 |
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May 18, 2021 20:30
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In 2035 I will imagine through nostalgia Gen Z will make... 300: 420 LOL
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May 18, 2021 20:31
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm still wondering if Rome was planning on keeping Kevin McKidd and Ray Stevenson for the planned 5th season that would have been about Christ, when the two main characters would be at least 90. Just have them in a balcony seat on the upper right corner of every shot Statler and Waldorfing every scene.
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I'm writing reviews of all eight episodes of Amazon's Invincible series, starting at the end and working backwards. First one's up here and I'll be posting the second tomorrow.
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May 19, 2021 01:03
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josh04 posted:I'm writing reviews of all eight episodes of Amazon's Invincible series, starting at the end and working backwards. First one's up here and I'll be posting the second tomorrow. lol at the end where you say you arent going to degrade yourself to reading the comic.
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May 19, 2021 01:38
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Man I remember trying to get into Walking Dead and Invincible like 10 years ago since Kirkman was all the rage and giving up about a volume into each since it's all just so incredibly hateful. None of it felt like it had any purpose other than being unrelentingly miserable.
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May 19, 2021 01:48
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Man I remember trying to get into Walking Dead and Invincible like 10 years ago since Kirkman was all the rage and giving up about a volume into each since it's all just so incredibly hateful. None of it felt like it had any purpose other than being unrelentingly miserable. What if in the zombie apocalypse the real monster is... humanity?
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May 19, 2021 01:56
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Kirkman is really a garbage writer. A lot of people confuse the surprise of shock value for good writing.
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It's not even a fun or interesting kind of misanthropy a la William Friedkin. It just feels like abuse.
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