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Speaking of pcie4, I got a 2070s on an asrock x570 taichi, a 5900x. So, pcie4. gpuz says the gpu is running on pcie3  I just assumed that was what it should be, because the gpu doesn't actually use pcie4, but is that true? Is this all how it should be? I remember some article or something a bit ago that talked about minor performance improvements in some situations running a gpu on pcie4 even if it doesn't need it, but maybe that was just the 30 series.
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BrainDance posted:Speaking of pcie4, I got a 2070s on an asrock x570 taichi, a 5900x. So, pcie4. think the only GPUs that use pci4 are the 30 series
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Hello again thread. Do GPUs exist again yet? I just want a Founders Edition 3060/3080.
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njsykora posted:No. Thanks, I'll check back again in 8 months.
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BrainDance posted:Speaking of pcie4, I got a 2070s on an asrock x570 taichi, a 5900x. So, pcie4. 2070s can only run on PCIe 3.0, hence the 3.0. Expected.
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hey, y'all. Wanna tell you all a cautionary tale that is entirely my fault in this case. Feel like I can remain somewhat anonymous here, so I figured I'd get this off my chest. Without further ado: ✨*~What Happens When You Don't Do Sanity Checks or Listen to The Advice In The Thread Before You Build~*✨ So I got myself the "SA Penny-Pincher" virgin-box that was recommended in a previous iteration of this thread. Got myself an Inspiron 3847 with an i3 4150 CPU, 8GB of RAM, and a 1TB HDD. Threw in an aftermarket GTX 750 1GB along with an SSD and called it a day. Back then I didn't care about the high-end of  , and to this day I honestly still don't (poo poo, I'm still running a 1440x900 monitor). Well, that was in 2015. It's 2021 now, and I needed an upgrade considering that I want to play a few of the new games coming out. A friend of mine was really itching to build me a PC, but they were urging me to buy almost strictly used hardware from past generations. I was hesitant at first because I figured it didn't make sense but I felt hella pressured by my friend and others since it "was the opportunity of a lifetime" due to the fact that they would do the assembly themselves without having it cost me anything. It seemed like nobody would shut up if I didn't go for it. I honestly was getting tired of my current Inspiron setup for a hot minute and it seemed like a sweet deal at first so I decided to take my friend up on their offerSo as a result, I now have a "new" PC with a used Ryzen 5 2600, and even though it's an older Ryzen 5 model, at the same time I don't really do anything CPU-intensive whatsoever to justify having a Ryzen 5. Got that along with a GTX 960 since I was aiming for a 1050ti but scalpers. Feels like it's not really a step up from what I have now considering the GTX 750 was released over seven years ago and the 960 six, though my friend stated that the 960 is "comparable to a 1050" but I'm not sure. I guess on the other hand, I realistically wasn't planning to do much with a new setup anyway. I would've been happy playing games made within the last three years at 900p resolution at 40-ish FPS on medium settings. And aside from that, just general dicking around (web-surfing, watching YouTube, Discord) plus playing with emulation from time to time. So maybe a setup like this wouldn't be bad for what I use a computer for? I dunno tl;dr I spent $700 on a PC using older parts from eBay that I wouldn't have chosen due to pressure from a friend of mine without using this thread as a guide and I'm now kind of regretting it. Means I'm due for an upgrade sooner than most – probably two years if I were to guess – but hey. You learn from your mistakes 
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That sucks man, although waiting 2-3 years might be the stopgap you need until you can get a modern GPU without needing to service a Micro Center employee in the stockroom.
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A 2600 isn't going to hold you back at 60fps so as long as it was a reasonable price I wouldn't feel too put out about it. A 960 ain't great, but with literally everything being scalped you were screwed on that front from the outset.
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What was your top budget? $700 seems like a lot for those specific used parts. I’m sorry you have dumb friends. A 2600 is generally ok for what you want at least. Also I don’t even know if all current games will run all the way down to 900p.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:What was your top budget? $700 seems like a lot for those specific used parts. The fact that I didn't admit that I'm in Canada where everything is more 'spenzive is my bad. Didn't feel like the RAM and MOBO (both also purchased used), PSU, and case was significant enough to have a first-world-problemsey fit about. Not including taxes/shipping in this $700 budget, either. And yeah, maybe I won't be able to run unoptimized stuff like Cyberpunk 2077, but stuff like that I wasn't even really considering to begin with Hiraeth fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 14, 2021 |
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Hiraeth posted:The fact that I didn't admit that I'm in Canada where everything is more 'spenzive is my bad. Didn't feel like mentioning the RAM and MOBO (both also purchased used) PSU, and case were significant enough to have a first-world-problemsey fit about Not including taxes in that estimate, either. And yeah, maybe I won't be able to run unoptimized stuff like Cyberpunk 2077, but stuff like that I wasn't even really considering to begin with Wait, are you saying you spend $700 (even in funny money) on a 2600 and a 960?
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Wait, are you saying you spend $700 (even in funny money) on a 2600 and a 960? n'aw, that was just an example of an idiot misspeaking. Just meant that I never mentioned the rest of the components that weren't the GPU and CPU in my original post to begin with since I felt more confident with those purchases – even though bringing that up in the first place seemed pretty arbitrary now that I look at it
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Alrighty so I'm not gonna even bother looking at video cards because none exist in the universe and I'm not -quite- desperate enough to sell the soul of my future firstborn to get one just yet (and I'm sitting on a GTX 1060 at the moment anyways which is plenty functional for the time being) but my CPU is getting decidedly quite ancient (4670k) so I think this is a decent time for an upgrade. My quick question is what motherboard would be best for a 5600x, which I think is the processor I've settled upon? I don't know very much about motherboards at present, or about RAM speeds for that matter. (DDR4-3600 seems to be a number that pops up a lot and doesn't seem terribly expensive to get 16 gigs of, should I just go with that?) It's a full tower case (Although I cannot remember for the life of me what it's called offhand), so pretty much any size board would probably fit. For that matter how important would a non-stock cooler be? Also sorry if this is in the wrong thread, I wasn't sure if this should go here or the AMD thread but this seems to be the thread for discussing actual upgrades and purchases.
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Hiraeth posted:So as a result, I now have a "new" PC with a used Ryzen 5 2600, and even though it's an older Ryzen 5 model, at the same time I don't really do anything CPU-intensive whatsoever to justify having a Ryzen 5. Got that along with a GTX 960 since I was aiming for a 1050ti but scalpers. Feels like it's not really a step up from what I have now considering the GTX 750 was released over seven years ago and the 960 six, though my friend stated that the 960 is "comparable to a 1050" but I'm not sure. I guess on the other hand, I realistically wasn't planning to do much with a new setup anyway. I would've been happy playing games made within the last three years at 900p resolution at 40-ish FPS on medium settings. And aside from that, just general dicking around (web-surfing, watching YouTube, Discord) plus playing with emulation from time to time. So maybe a setup like this wouldn't be bad for what I use a computer for? I dunno If that's $700 CAD and includes the rest of the PC, that honestly sounds more or less okay. Like sure, it's a bit much to have paid for it and a 960 isn't the same as a 1050 Ti, but it is comparable (one generation vs. one price tier) and you would have gotten screwed on GPU prices buying anything right now. Oughta be fine for a year or two, and then you can just swap out the GPU instead of buying a whole new (overpriced, used, last-generation) PC. 
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Inverted Sphere posted:Alrighty so I'm not gonna even bother looking at video cards because none exist in the universe and I'm not -quite- desperate enough to sell the soul of my future firstborn to get one just yet (and I'm sitting on a GTX 1060 at the moment anyways which is plenty functional for the time being) but my CPU is getting decidedly quite ancient (4670k) so I think this is a decent time for an upgrade. My quick question is what motherboard would be best for a 5600x, which I think is the processor I've settled upon? I don't know very much about motherboards at present, or about RAM speeds for that matter. (DDR4-3600 seems to be a number that pops up a lot and doesn't seem terribly expensive to get 16 gigs of, should I just go with that?) It's a full tower case (Although I cannot remember for the life of me what it's called offhand), so pretty much any size board would probably fit.
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PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($375.27 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR3-1600 CL9 Memory Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Western Digital) Case: Silverstone GD05B-USB3.0 HTPC Case ($149.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: EVGA GS 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply Custom: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($449.99) Total: $1065.24 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-05-14 20:56 EDT-0400 My current setup. Since upgrading the video card is pointless at this point (and the 1070 serves my needs for now), I've decided to finally update the Processor/motherboard/ram since those are the original parts from when I first built this thing back in 2014. Thinking of a RYZEN 5600x as that seems to be a sweet spot in price per performance. I know nothing about Motherboards or coolers for the ryzen processors so any help there will be appreciated. I will also be upgrading the case to the Silverstone GD09B as this case has a bit more room than my current case, looks good in an entertainment center, and my current case has a non-working front usb port due to a broken pin on the connector. I'm also thinking about getting an m2 drive to replace the samsung evo. I generally just do high end game emulation although do occasionally play modern games through steam. You all have been phenomenal in helping me out in the past and this thread has been a lifesaver in my upgrades. Also budget is flexible as I'll be buying these parts over the next few weeks. Kithyen fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 15, 2021 |
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May 15, 2021 02:05
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Why would you pay 375 for a 10 year old mid level processor?
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LifeSunDeath posted:Why would you pay 375 for a 10 year old mid level processor? That's my current setup
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Kithyen posted:That's my current setup Oh ok.
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MonkeyFit posted:I got a 5800x because they had it in stock at Micro Center. Honestly a 5600 would probably have done me fine. So if you find one in stock (I don't think they're usually too hard to find) that's probably a good choice for you. TBH, if you're going for a budget build and depending on what resolution you play games at, a 3600 is still a better value for a lot of people. When you look at the other viable 6 core CPU options that are out there, the price of the 5600x isn't cheap. mA fucked around with this message at 03:57 on May 15, 2021 |
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mA posted:TBH, if you're going for a budget build and depending on what resolution you play games at, a 3600 is still a better value for a lot of people. When you look at the other viable 6 core CPU options that are out there, the price of the 5600x isn't cheap. If you’re going to 3600 level pricing, 11400 is a better deal in almost all instances.
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Building my first PC since 2012 and want to make sure everything looks okay. Trying to spend ~$1k and going to use it mostly for gaming and maybe some light simulation stuff for school. Already have a 3070 and got a 5900X from a friend but looking for anymore input. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tz7Zy4 PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H115i ELITE CAPELLIX 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($169.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($192.99 @ B&H) Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($175.99 @ B&H) Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($229.95 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card Case: Corsair 275R Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.98 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($124.99 @ Best Buy) Total: $1029.38 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-05-15 13:07 EDT-0400
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ChumpsForChange posted:Building my first PC since 2012 and want to make sure everything looks okay. Trying to spend ~$1k and going to use it mostly for gaming and maybe some light simulation stuff for school. Already have a 3070 and got a 5900X from a friend but looking for anymore input. If you can do without RGB, look into the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO. It's much cheaper and provides better cooling performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPaSEGe6ML0&t=11s
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ChumpsForChange posted:Building my first PC since 2012 and want to make sure everything looks okay. Trying to spend ~$1k and going to use it mostly for gaming and maybe some light simulation stuff for school. Already have a 3070 and got a 5900X from a friend but looking for anymore input. Looks solid! Only suggestions I have: Consider getting the B550 version of that motherboard. They are a bit nicer for most people’s purposes. Most notably, you don’t have to deal with having a chipset fan, you get bios flashback support, and you save a bit of money. If you can find 3600 CL16 memory for close to the same price point, go for it. The memory you currently have will be fine otherwise. You can save some money going for a WD blue NVMe drive and not pay the premium for the Samsung EVO brand name
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ChumpsForChange posted:Building my first PC since 2012 and want to make sure everything looks okay. Trying to spend ~$1k and going to use it mostly for gaming and maybe some light simulation stuff for school. Already have a 3070 and got a 5900X from a friend but looking for anymore input. Above is good advice. Additionally, $/TB is pretty bad on that drive. If you think you’ll need more space in the future, it’s probably worth it to splurge now for like a 4/6/8/10/12, depending on your budget. Nearly $30/TB isn’t very good.
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ChumpsForChange posted:Memory: Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($175.99 @ B&H) 32GB of 3600 CL16 for only a bit more. https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32...-174-_-05152021
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It doesn't seem like I can evade upgrading my components any longer, and while I refuse to get a GPU with the current supply situation, I do need to get a new CPU and some RAM. I also need a new motherboard because my current motherboard is ancient. I haven't bought these types of components in like 10 years so it'd be nice if someone could give my shopping list a quick gut check MSI Z590-A PRO i5-11600K Kingston 8GB DDR4 3200MHz (x 2) Here's how they'd sit in my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxzG4d This is my work/gamer PC that I use to hit build in visual studio and shoot at people in video games sometimes I'd be getting them in a bundle for €569 (euro prices), with presumably 40 or 65 euros back from an MSI cashback scheme. I do intend to overclock the CPU a bit as well, and I'm wondering if my current Hyper 212 can handle that. PC part picker is saying that my PSU doesn't have an additional 4 pin connector, which would supposedly be used for extreme overclocking, but I assume I won't need that I could also get a Ryzen 5600X for the CPU, but it seems to be more expensive and the stock is a little iffy, so I'm not sure there's any reason to go for it Minorkos fucked around with this message at 05:21 on May 16, 2021 |
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Minorkos posted:It doesn't seem like I can evade upgrading my components any longer, and while I refuse to get a GPU with the current supply situation, I do need to get a new CPU and some RAM. I also need a new motherboard because my current motherboard is ancient. I haven't bought these types of components in like 10 years so it'd be nice if someone could give my shopping list a quick gut check How much more? Also consider the cost of a motherboard as they tend to be cheaper for AMD. The 5600X is pretty much better in nearly all situations, so without a direct price comparison it’s kind of difficult. 212 is fine, but if you’re going to OC you’ll need something better.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:How much more? Also consider the cost of a motherboard as they tend to be cheaper for AMD. Oh, I quickly checked some benchmark that indicated that the Intel CPU would actually be better. Anyway, assuming stock doesn't disappear, a quick scan indicates that I'd be paying around 40 more euros and no MSI cashback shenanigans (that I'm admittedly not exactly excited for anyway). I don't really mind paying a bit of extra if it means I'll be getting something decently better. I'm a little curious as to how an AMD CPU would change the overclocking situation though, since supposedly those don't really need to be overclocked to reach similar performance Minorkos fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 16, 2021 |
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MonkeyFit posted:32GB of 3600 CL16 for only a bit more. Granted, it was years ago, and possibly an isolated anecdotal experience - I had a couple of Ballistix DDR2 units go bad, even though they never got overclocked or stressed...I remember RMA was a royal pain and kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Has Crucial's reliability with Ballistix DDR4 units gotten better since then? Apologies for any derails.
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Minorkos posted:Oh, I quickly checked some benchmark that indicated that the Intel CPU would actually be better. Anyway, assuming stock doesn't disappear, a quick scan indicates that I'd be paying around 40 more euros and no MSI cashback shenanigans (that I'm admittedly not exactly excited for anyway). I don't really mind paying a bit of extra if it means I'll be getting something decently better. I'm a little curious as to how an AMD CPU would change the overclocking situation though, since supposedly those don't really need to be overclocked to reach similar performance If it was userbenchmark don’t go near that site with a lovely stick. They have an absurd bias against AMD and bend over backwards to create extremely arbitrary and fake metrics to favour Intel CPUs.
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mA posted:If you can do without RGB, look into the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO. It's much cheaper and provides better cooling performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPaSEGe6ML0&t=11s Be sure to measure though, it’s thicker than most and wouldn’t fit with my case/motherboard combo.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:How much more? Also consider the cost of a motherboard as they tend to be cheaper for AMD. I mean it’s a pretty large price difference, so I don’t think you can hand waive that away when factoring a 6 core purchasing decision
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I'll probably end up getting the 5600X if not for anything else, then the lower power requirements to fit with my PSU (and so I don't have to pay as much for electricity)
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Killer_B posted:Granted, it was years ago, and possibly an isolated anecdotal experience - I had a couple of Ballistix DDR2 units go bad, even though they never got overclocked or stressed...I remember RMA was a royal pain and kind of rubbed me the wrong way. No clue. I'm personally running 32GB of 3600 G.Skill Trident Z. I was just matching the RAM they had in their PC Part Picker build with 3600 vice 3200.
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mA posted:I mean it’s a pretty large price difference, so I don’t think you can hand waive that away when factoring a 6 core purchasing decision I wouldn’t say I was hand waving anything. IMO 40 euro + not having to deal with rebates is 100% worth it for a 5600x over an 11600
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I have just read through the op as I last built (my first ever) pc using a previous iteration of this thread back in 2014 and I have forgotten almost everything. I request the wisdom of the goons to tell me if this build is okay as I do feel like I need a update. I'm planning on keeping the Samsung evo ssd I currently have and external/ internal HDD too. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor (£229.98 @ Scan.co.uk) Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste (£5.77 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£99.98 @ Box Limited) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£84.98 @ Amazon UK) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card (£820.33 @ Amazon UK) Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£74.98 @ Amazon UK) Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£59.98 @ Currys PC World Business) Total: £1376.00 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-05-16 21:47 BST+0100 I do a fair amount of gaming but it's mostly city management/the Sims with all expansions etc so I don't need top of the line stuff. My sister also works from home sometimes but remote's into her work desktop. Is there anything I am missing here?
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