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Julias posted:I've enjoyed what's been put out of the anime so far, but it's not anything mindblowing. If it was really going to be an issue, they should have just done what the Miike movie did and changed it.
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May 16, 2021 13:38
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OnimaruXLR posted:Is it airing anywhere else (outside of Japan and Asia)? I wouldn't be surprised if the censorship kept up, or alternately they could air a Blade of the Immortal style notice at the beginning of each episode Amusingly, the blade of the immortal anime from a couple of year ago just redesigned the manji to avoid that. 
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May 16, 2021 17:12
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if a disclaimer is sufficient for shows with on-screen rape, i feel like there's no reason they can't just do that for some harmless symbols.
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May 16, 2021 17:24
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for real. trying to censor it out is just racist and imperialist, lol.
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May 16, 2021 17:34
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I don't think either of those words would apply in this instance and I think devalues the meaning of the words regardless of how one feels about the situation.
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May 16, 2021 19:14
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Depends, there are definitely assumptions being enabled through an act like this no matter from whose decision, but it’s worth noting that CR’s statement on their releases’ censorship has historically been “we used the footage the studio gave us” whenever questioned
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May 16, 2021 19:36
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Raenir Salazar posted:I don't think either of those words would apply in this instance and I think devalues the meaning of the words regardless of how one feels about the situation.
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May 16, 2021 19:49
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also 'regardless of how one feels about the situation?' its unambiguously terrible. theres no grey area.
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May 16, 2021 19:49
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Endorph posted:nah it is You're suppressing possible discussion that could be had over the issue by reflexively tarring anyone who has nuance opinions on the issue as "racist" and/or "imperialist" which creates a chilling effect on discussion. No one is occupying Japan with military force to get to make these changes, by appealing to hyperbole laden claims you poison the well for constructive discussion. I'm not sure what the facts of the situation are but I don't think anyone is currently occupying Japan with military force in order to affect their localization decisions.
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May 16, 2021 20:15
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Raenir Salazar posted:tarring anyone who has nuance opinions on the issue as "racist" and/or "imperialist" which creates a chilling effect on discussion.
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May 16, 2021 20:24
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sure i don't see a need to immediately jump to heavy concepts or w/e but i also don't see what useful nuance there is to the situation. some level of pressure, soft or hard, resulted in a hasty and awful recut of the show being made for Crunchyroll specifically. there isn't really a benefit to this as the production doesn't have the lead time to edit unobtrusively and it just brings into question what is being hidden and oh no, the horrible secret is out! the secret that due to fears of bad PR or just ceding to ignorance they made these changes.
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May 16, 2021 20:25
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dogsicle posted:sure i don't see a need to immediately jump to heavy concepts or w/e but i also don't see what useful nuance there is to the situation. some level of pressure, soft or hard, resulted in a hasty and awful recut of the show being made for Crunchyroll specifically. there isn't really a benefit to this as the production doesn't have the lead time to edit unobtrusively and it just brings into question what is being hidden and oh no, the horrible secret is out! the secret that due to fears of bad PR or just ceding to ignorance they made these changes. I mean the importer company recutting it to suit their own audience I don't think is either of those things; it can be silly or dumb to act in their business interest in this way without it being imperialistic.
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May 16, 2021 20:33
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Raenir Salazar posted:I mean the importer company recutting it to suit their own audience I don't think is either of those things; it can be silly or dumb to act in their business interest in this way without it being imperialistic. i mean do you not see why people would immediately smell some degree of cultural imperialism on this? an American company blasting all depiction of an Eastern spiritual/religious symbol out of a work, to the point of compromising it, solely based on Western sensibility. this was the route they chose rather than others that would be less obtrusive and take less effort while allowing the differing cultural context to stand, such as a disclaimer. granted the recut is something they'd probably be offloading to some link of the chain they don't care about so considerations like that don't really rate past the initial decision made of whether to nuke the symbol or not. the situation only gets fuzzy if this was self-motivated from the JP side, but considering other services have unedited versions it's hard to say if they just knew to specifically cater to stupid Americans or what. dogsicle fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 16, 2021 |
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The cuts are made japanese side, scenes are totally different which is not something crunchy is capable of. They don’t just have light flashes, but scenes that are zoomed in or focused on different characters to avoid showing it. This is also confirmed by a french crunchy twitter post
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dogsicle posted:i mean do you not see why people would immediately smell some degree of cultural imperialism on this? an American company blasting all depiction of an Eastern spiritual/religious symbol out of a work, to the point of compromising it, solely based on Western sensibility. this was the route they chose rather than others that would be less obtrusive and take less effort while allowing the differing cultural context to stand, such as a disclaimer. granted the recut is something they'd probably be offloading to some link of the chain they don't care about so considerations like that don't really rate past the initial decision made of whether to nuke the symbol or not. IIRC if it isn't affecting the original broadcast in Japan; it isn't an American company affecting a foreign country's culture. I'm not sure what the definition we're working with is here; but it sounds to me that it is far too broad in its usage here. There needs to be an actual tangibly provable element of harm towards the country and culture of origin. If it did affect the original broadcast, the question is was it capitalism or did the US government. If it's capitalism then its just amoral market and economic forces, the invisible hand of the market resulting in the commodification of creative works to appeal to mainstream audiences of which the US market is one of the largest in the world; I believe Crispin Freeman had an interesting talk about this, but that isn't imperialism, that's people on the Japanese side acting according to their economic interest. People on twitter didn't yell at them into doing it.
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May 16, 2021 21:39
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The clear moral of the story is gently caress nazis, they ruin everything
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so i've been generous to people having a broader interpretation of imperialism and you're a pedant. got it.Davincie posted:The cuts are made japanese side, scenes are totally different which is not something crunchy is capable of. They don’t just have light flashes, but scenes that are zoomed in or focused on different characters to avoid showing it. This is also confirmed by a french crunchy twitter post i did forget about the France CR thing, though i guess i shouldn't have focused on the source of the edits much since it matters less than the motivating factors in them being made for why people are angry.
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May 16, 2021 21:47
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I mean, one of the basic functions of localization is to convey intent, not just literal meaning. If you don't want viewers going "Is that a Nazi symbol? Are we supposed to think these guys are Nazis? The symbol looks a little different, but...", then changing things makes sense, because leaving things intact creates a distraction that means the audiences get an experience further from the creator's intent. It can still be done badly, but that's a question of execution, not morality. Accusing people of imperialism over stupid crap like this just turns the conversation into a pedantic discussion of imperialism and removes any weight to the term going forward.
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May 16, 2021 21:49
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i'm really loving To Your Eternity and Vivy. after Vivy's last episode, TYE might actually have taken over as my current AOTS. it's beautiful.
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dogsicle posted:so i've been generous to people having a broader interpretation of imperialism and you're a pedant. got it. I am not saying "It isn't cultural imperialism because it isn't from the cultural imperialism region of France" I am saying it isn't cultural imperialism because there merely being some change in a product from another culture or country in its transference to another. chiasaur11 posted:I mean, one of the basic functions of localization is to convey intent, not just literal meaning. This.
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May 16, 2021 22:00
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It was a cringe change.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I am not saying "It isn't cultural imperialism because it isn't from the cultural imperialism region of France" I am saying it isn't cultural imperialism because there merely being some change in a product from another culture or country in its transference to another. chiasaur11 posted:I mean, one of the basic functions of localization is to convey intent, not just literal meaning. Raenir Salazar posted:IIRC if it isn't affecting the original broadcast in Japan; it isn't an American company affecting a foreign country's culture. I'm not sure what the definition we're working with is here; but it sounds to me that it is far too broad in its usage here. There needs to be an actual tangibly provable element of harm towards the country and culture of origin. Raenir Salazar posted:You're suppressing possible discussion that could be had over the issue by reflexively tarring anyone who has nuance opinions on the issue as "racist" and/or "imperialist" which creates a chilling effect on discussion. No one is occupying Japan with military force to get to make these changes, by appealing to hyperbole laden claims you poison the well for constructive discussion. I'm not sure what the facts of the situation are but I don't think anyone is currently occupying Japan with military force in order to affect their localization decisions. Raenir Salazar posted:I mean the importer company recutting it to suit their own audience I don't think is either of those things; it can be silly or dumb to act in their business interest in this way without it being imperialistic. 
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Here's my thoughts on the season now that we're like halfway through: Still Watching: OddTaxi - Favorite of the season still. Possibly AOTY, too. The way all the characters are interconnected and bounce off each other and the gradual deepening of the mysteries make me confident this is gonna stick the landing if nothing else. Gives me incredible Paranoia Agent vibes in the best way possible. 86 - Desperately hoping this will stick the landing, but so far so good. Possibly going to be in the top five for the year, if it can keep it up. I appreciate that it's actually one of the best critiques/dissections of fascism that we've gotten in recent seasons and isn't trying to both sides anything, at least from what I've seen so far. (Fingers crossed.) Mars Red - Still very nice to watch visually. I really like seeing the combination of the supernatural vampire stuff set against the industrial 1920s setting, and I'm also appreciating that it's got a more mature tone with the action being an accent rather than the main focus. Very funny to see people who are mad it ISN'T an action anime, though. That said, the dub is loving insane- the decision to make the journalist lady and her boss have a weird cockney/valley girl accent hybrid in the EARLY 1900S IN JAPAN loving kills me any time they're onscreen because of how jarringly weird it is. Vivy - Do I really need to talk about this one lol. It's good! We all know it's good. Not my favorite this season but I'm definitely enjoying it! Shaman King - I was always gonna like this because SK was one of my favorite manga as a kid, and the adaptation is fine. It's okay! I dunno if it's gonna pick up any new fans that weren't already into the original, but depending on how it adapts future content... TWEWY - Same vein as Shaman King. Even though trying to shove the entire story of the game into one cour is an insane undertaking, I was always going to like it because of how big TWEWY was for me when it first launched. Dropped: Dragon Goes House-Hunting - More of just 'put on hold indefinitely', if I decide I wanna ever watch any more of it down the line I might finish it up, but I've had my fill for now. Shadows House -  I dunno, it just didn't hook me. I didn't dislike it, it's just not really my thing I guess? Gave it the old three episodes try and everything.Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent - I just wanted a nice anime about making poo poo with magic, why'd it have to be a harem  Its not actually bad or anything, I just...am not interested in those kind of stories lmfao
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May 16, 2021 23:43
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This season has been jammed packed with good stuff; that stuff I'd have watched during another season just don't have time for. Watching: Thunderbolt Fantasy My Hero Academia. Vivy Shadow House 86 I'm a Spider So What Nomad Hige wo Soru Inconsistently watching/a few episodes behind: Nagatoro 300 years slime hunting Super Cub More or less dropped: full dive childhood friend wins love comedy show thingy Koi to Yobu Will check out eventually: Blue Reflection Ray
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May 16, 2021 23:48
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Man my watching is really inconsistent right now. But I'm definitely watching a bunch of shows, including Super Cub, Thunderbolt Fantasy, Vivy, Slime killing, Iruma-kun, Megalobox, probably a few others I forget.
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May 16, 2021 23:58
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The change was fine. Hell, they even changed the way they wrote Manji's name with Kanji from using the swastika to using 「万次」instead.
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May 17, 2021 00:37
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What if they made the manji a swirl like four candy canes?
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Wark Say posted:The change was fine. Hell, they even changed the way they wrote Manji's name with Kanji from using the swastika to using 「万次」instead. they deserve to be cut to death for touching Hiroaki Samuras art
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I'm watching: Vivy - it's good!! 86 - also good, as others mentioned it really depends on if it can stick the landing though. Megalobox nomad - I was wrong earlier this is even better than the first season. The boxing is superbly animated too. MHA - this is turning into a show that could really do with an abridged version, like DBZ Kai. It's also very funny how insanely fascist it is. Spies will be dispatched - It's dreadful. I'm going to drop it after giving it far too much time to find it's feet. Zombieland saga - More of season 1. I feel like this season is less funny than the first one, but it's possible I'm just growing tired of it.
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May 17, 2021 01:16
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I just realized I'm hate watching MHA. Please save me Bakugo.
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May 17, 2021 01:39
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Agreeing with most lists but Godzilla Singular Point should be showing up more. It's really really good and feels like the most complete execution of anything this season, even considering great stuff like Vivy.
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May 17, 2021 01:46
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Splode posted:I'm watching: Explain, I'm now morbidly curious
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May 17, 2021 01:51
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Willo567 posted:Explain, I'm now morbidly curious I think it might have something to do with the Hero system but I can't see anything remotely  about MHA so I'm also curious. Japanese society in MHA seems the same as IRL Japan except there's furry people and super powers.
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May 17, 2021 01:55
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I'm pretty sure it's just because heroes work with law enforcement but there's a pretty overt throughline about how the current society is letting people down and in many ways responsible for creating villains.
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Jymmybob posted:Agreeing with most lists but Godzilla Singular Point should be showing up more. It's really really good and feels like the most complete execution of anything this season, even considering great stuff like Vivy. Blame Netflix
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May 17, 2021 01:58
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Jymmybob posted:Agreeing with most lists but Godzilla Singular Point should be showing up more. It's really really good and feels like the most complete execution of anything this season, even considering great stuff like Vivy. it is really great btw.
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kater posted:I just realized I'm hate watching MHA. Just re-watch something you like instead or hell, stop and "ask for directions". I mean, we do have a recommendations thread with plenty of regulars who recommend stuff.
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kater posted:I just realized I'm hate watching MHA.
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