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Mechafunkzilla posted:Man I remember trying to get into Walking Dead and Invincible like 10 years ago since Kirkman was all the rage and giving up about a volume into each since it's all just so incredibly hateful. None of it felt like it had any purpose other than being unrelentingly miserable. For what it's worth, Invincible ends on a pretty optimistic, positive note. Also features probably the most extreme superman-pastiche battle I've seen yet; Invincible and The Evil Badman throttle each other into a sun, and they fight on the sun as their flesh sears off, Invincible winning because his arch-nemesis NotLex sends him a layer of armor so he'd Melt Slower Post-battle, Invincible and his arch-nemesis get into a war where noone dies, he's neutralized, and the rest of the issues are a montage of Invincible & children reforming the supermen diaspora.
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I thought the first compendium of Walking Dead was pretty good, the one that collected the first 48 issues ending with the prison being destroyed and Carl and Rick escaping alone. The comic should have ended there, not only was it a satisfying ending but I kept reading for a dozen or so more issues and it devolved into wheel-spinning almost immediately. Especially for something coming out in the early/mid 00s, I thought it was one of the more interesting pieces of zombie fiction. It's funny, I remember at the time people absolutely hating the prison storyline, but I thought having a base where the characters could actually work to rebuild civilization (if on a small scale) was something pretty unique for zombies at the time. I never got that far into either the show or the comic, but my parents still watch the show every week so I have a general gist of it, and I do think that the Whisperers are a pretty interesting zombie concept also, maybe the one good innovation in the genre that Walking Dead developed post-prison. It is kind of suitable that Walking Dead came out at the start of the zombie renaissance, arguably became its most popular piece of work, lingered on as the genre kind of died, and is now going to end just as it seems the zombie genre is perhaps getting resurrected.
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When I read Kirkman's interview where he revealed that the Walking Dead would just go on and on, I knew it was going to end up poo poo. Took no pleasure in being right about that one, particularly because I enjoyed the hell out of the first season of the show.
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May 19, 2021 03:58
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Hilariously the ending is the one that thing that he probably nailed as far as the Walking Dead goes. It's not a particularly novel take on tragedy + time, but it's executed well enough.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:lol at the end where you say you arent going to degrade yourself to reading the comic. I can't help myself sometimes. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Kirkman is really a garbage writer. A lot of people confuse the surprise of shock value for good writing. One reason I would be tempted to read the comic is to find out how much of the Buffy/Justice League pastiche tone the cartoon has is new for the show, because it doesn't feel like either the kind of thing that would get written in 2005 or that would work well in a comic.
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May 19, 2021 12:20
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Sounds like Invincible is just stealth Dragon Ball Z
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Sounds like Invincible is just stealth Dragon Ball Z It's not particularly stealthy about it.
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josh04 posted:One reason I would be tempted to read the comic is to find out how much of the Buffy/Justice League pastiche tone the cartoon has is new for the show, because it doesn't feel like either the kind of thing that would get written in 2005 or that would work well in a comic. Invincible was initially sold on the promise of being "superhero soap opera", and it was that for the most part, but then the ridiculous violence ramped up and it became nonstop Murderman vs moustached aliens. Buffy pastiche worked well for A LOT of comics around that time because Buffy was inspired by X-Men in the first place
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm still wondering if Rome was planning on keeping Kevin McKidd and Ray Stevenson for the planned 5th season that would have been about Christ, when the two main characters would be at least 90. Eh, as much as I loved Rome (and I really did), it always played a little fast and loose with the timeline, so they could have just compressed it a bit so they were their same age when Christ showed up.
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May 19, 2021 13:27
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I'd be interested in reading The Boys for a similar reason; so much of the show seems like a direct response to current superhero movie stuff. There's the gags about "Joss" rewriting a movie with Zack Snyder colour grading and all, but also the whole premise of the superheroes belonging to a big corporation and wanting to join the military is very MCU. Well, and also directly referencing the military-industrial complex. I absolutely loved the bit in the show where the main character goes home after his girlfriend's death and he has a funko pop of the guy who killed her
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The Boys comic still has a lot of corporate malfeasance and Voight American attempting to take over the US Military, but it also spends a lot of its time on its 9/11 analogy, due to the time it was written. If you can tolerate Garth Ennis' juvenile humor and spurts of liberal patriotism, I'd recommend it. Don't read Dear Becky, Herogasm is alright but entirely uneccessary and cranks the sex jokes up to 11.
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fatherboxx posted:Invincible was initially sold on the promise of being "superhero soap opera", and it was that for the most part, but then the ridiculous violence ramped up and it became nonstop Murderman vs moustached aliens. It's possible given the dates that I've got it completely and Justice League Unlimited was (in part) riffing on Invincible for all the CADMUS stuff.
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Neurolimal posted:The Boys comic still has a lot of corporate malfeasance and Voight American attempting to take over the US Military, but it also spends a lot of its time on its 9/11 analogy, due to the time it was written. If you can tolerate Garth Ennis' juvenile humor and spurts of liberal patriotism, I'd recommend it.
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It is really weird that the Boys TV show turned the Bush analogue into an AOC analogue. In other news, Marvel is just trolling Scorsese by this point: https://twitter.com/i_zzzzzz/status/1394766874093686784
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Injustice: Gods Among Us Animated Movie Officially Announced by DC, Warner Bros. Animation Homelander, Omni-Man, those alt-universe supermen from that CW show, Adam Warlock, Injustice Superman, the new '20s are the decade of the evil superman baby. Awou (wolf Howl) Now's a good a time as any for WB to greenlight Snyder's mad max batman movie
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Speaking of Omni-man, I promised a second Invincible write-up and a second Invincible write-up I have produced.
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Neurolimal posted:The Boys comic still has a lot of corporate malfeasance and Voight American attempting to take over the US Military, but it also spends a lot of its time on its 9/11 analogy, due to the time it was written. If you can tolerate Garth Ennis' juvenile humor and spurts of liberal patriotism, I'd recommend it. The Boys comic is super interesting since you can see, as you read it, Ennis realising what he should have done all along. The embodiment of the corporation becomes the main villain, the sexual violence stops being sexual and is simply violent (The herogasm subplot serves as a receptacle for all the lovely sex jokes he had left over). He mocks the concept of an edgy superman, pointing out that what most people would do completely lacks any imagination. He ridicules the obsession with sexually traumatic backstories for women after writing one early on. It often feels like a conversation he's having with his own work. A 1:1 adaptation would be utterly unwatchable but it seems like the show is more mining the comic for good ideas and doing something else with them. josh04 posted:Speaking of Omni-man, I promised a second Invincible write-up and a second Invincible write-up I have produced. You're a drat good writer. Keep it up.
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I still like The Boys comic, Ennisisms and all, but you can definitely see Ennis' creation grow and mature over time, yeah. I imagine that once the series became a certain success, he felt like he didnt have to cram every joke and bizarre event into every issue. I mentioned this in the TVIV thread, but something I enjoy from the comic is how enigmatic Butcher's motivations are; three or four characters all exposit their own compelling (but ultimately wrong) character judgements, and even after the reveal of Butcher's plan to genocide everyone with Compound V, his interactions with Hughie still cast doubt on what he really wanted. Show Butcher feels a bit more "figured out" to me, which is fine because Urban carries the character effortlessly.
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Neurolimal posted:I still like The Boys comic, Ennisisms and all, but you can definitely see Ennis' creation grow and mature over time, yeah. I imagine that once the series became a certain success, he felt like he didnt have to cram every joke and bizarre event into every issue. I think it was a testament to how confused comic book Butcher was that he could needed multiple pages with absolute walls of text explaining himself at the end. It was such a long passage that, now, I honestly can't remember the conclusion. I just wanted it to end. Which actually summarises the whole back half of the Boys for me.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I kind of want the 300 series to continue just to see how far away they can get from the original 300 Spartans and what abstract concept they can attach the idea of "300" onto to keep the franchise. I remember one of the copycat projects being a Siege of Masada movie with Mel Gibson attached.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I remember one of the copycat projects being a Siege of Masada movie with Mel Gibson attached. Maybe for the best we didn't get that one.
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Snowman_McK posted:I think it was a testament to how confused comic book Butcher was that he could needed multiple pages with absolute walls of text explaining himself at the end. It was such a long passage that, now, I honestly can't remember the conclusion. I just wanted it to end. Which actually summarises the whole back half of the Boys for me. Eh, I think his motivations (at least what he gives) are pretty simple in that issue; Butcher's set on genociding every Compound V person because of how dangerous they are, but has pangs of self-doubt due to exposure to Hughie's humanistic nature, which reminds him of his late brother. After surrounding himself with killers and politikers, A Normal Person rubs off on him. I liked that explanation because it gels with a lot of the Hughie-Butcher scenes, where their life experiences are mirrored but he ends up having a significantly more moral reaction. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 20, 2021 |
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Butcher character is fairly straightforward he's a manipulative oval office and a psycho, but just about self aware enough to realise that he needs a moderating force in his life, or he goes completely off the rails. He's not really confused or confusing in himself. The only ambiguity comes from that he elicits strong reactions in Hughie, who kinda wants to be that kind of badass anti-hero but ultimately isn't and is better off for it. I like most of the changes the show makes but the hughie/butcher relationship isn't as strong. Hughie finding it in him to tell butcher to gently caress off before season 1 is even over accelerates their arc a lot. massive spider fucked around with this message at 11:02 on May 20, 2021 |
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Hughie spends most of the last half of the comic doing absolutely nothing and stewing about being the team's comic relief. The show is better for having corrected that right off the bat.
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Apologies if these have already been posted:   I dig the collar, some people aren't into the skinny-looking neck, I'd have to wait for the movie to know how I feel about it; it gives him a bit more of a youthful, vulnerable vibe, and I dont know if that conflicts with the film yet, obviously.
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The collar reminds of a modern take on the Gotham By Gaslight version. I dig it.
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No clue, it was bundled with the others. Admittedly I didnt do too much research beyond "huh neat, I wonder if the comic thread has talked about the costume yet".
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I'm getting Amazing Spider-Man vibes from those posters, definitely looking forward to this
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I think it's the first comic book movie I've looked forward to since Spider-Verse. Matt Reeves has only gotten better and Pattison is hella talented. The co-writer Peter Craig puts a damper on my excitement, however.
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anatomi posted:The co-writer Peter Craig puts a damper on my excitement, however.
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The general rule of thumb is that "Written by [name] & [name]" means they wrote it together, but "Written by [name] and [name]" is different drafts by different people.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I'd thought they'd canceled this The director is being cancelled in china if that counts.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I'd thought they'd canceled this You might be thinking of Inhumans. They cancelled that movie and made it into a pretty bad TV miniseries.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You might be thinking of Inhumans. They cancelled that movie and made it into a pretty bad TV miniseries. I was thinking of that, I guess. I don't know either property in the comic books so I'm pretending they're the same now
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It's easy to confuse Inhumans and Eternals because they are literally the same concept but with different levels of aliens responsible. Inhumans were made by the Kree as part of their imperialist wars. Eternals were made by the Lovecraftian robot Celestials, who did this on every planet, and were in fact part of their process of uplifting primitive creatures into sapient intelligence throughout the galaxy as well as indirectly creating the Mutant race.
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