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Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/nhzytu/first_images_of_victoria_3/

Images here. Really interesting is the government panel showing the interest groups and the laws they want you to pass, imo.

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Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Everything I've seen of Vicky 3 is like, the pie-in-the-sky wishlist of what fans imagined their perfect game to be. Except it's not a wishlist, it's the real feature list of the thing they're actually making.

If even half of it comes together in a way that feels like a cohesive product, it's going to be Paradox's finest game yet.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

https://twitter.com/GarbageApe/status/1395772902578999300?s=20
I feel attacked.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
They are right

That "Most Underproduced" goods chart having grain as the top item is extreme "one million is a statistic" energy

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

They are right

They're also right that I'll still keep playing that garbage

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

AnEdgelord posted:

They're also right that I'll still keep playing that garbage

:hai:

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Vichan posted:

They'd better keep that obnoxiously loud factory construction noise or I'm cancelling my pre-order. :colbert:

*5 million km of railroads complete at once*

DOOK DOOK DOOK CHUNG CHUNG TINK TINKCHUNGCHUNG

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

I better be forced to painstakingly click every single province in my sprawling empire to make railroads in each of them :colbert:

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Super Jay Mann posted:

I better be forced to painstakingly click every single province in my sprawling empire to make railroads in each of them :colbert:

please we can only take so much hype

I hope they have 0 copy editors on this game. really give us that Vicky feel.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

MonsieurChoc posted:

I never figured out how to play Vicky 2.

Nobody did.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





Very excited for this. I really, really hope they go back to using actual music from the era like in V1. That added so much atmosphere that was lacking in the second.

Also a way to subsidize/incentivize factories you want built when you're not going full command economy would be nice.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

Vicky herself lookin' a little bit like a neanderthal in that one screenshot where you can see her as heir to william

Kraftwerk
Aug 13, 2011
i do not have 10,000 bircoins, please stop asking

Hopefully the game has a better economic simulation. Either they modify the way you get money for factories or they actually automate the process so that the free market truly does what it’s supposed to from a supply/demand perspective.

I do not want to go through another game where instead of a thriving industry I find out every factory the capitalists build is making canned food or glass.

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Arbite posted:

Very excited for this. I really, really hope they go back to using actual music from the era like in V1. That added so much atmosphere that was lacking in the second.

Also a way to subsidize/incentivize factories you want built when you're not going full command economy would be nice.

they were just public domain recordings. i actually found one of the same albums they used at the library once.

i think a lot of the vicky/eu2 era music was just public domain stuff. which means there is no excuse for any game to not have falalan by the uppsala joculatores in them

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Arbite posted:

Very excited for this. I really, really hope they go back to using actual music from the era like in V1. That added so much atmosphere that was lacking in the second.

Also a way to subsidize/incentivize factories you want built when you're not going full command economy would be nice.

They said that you're going to be able to control what factroys your capitalists build, with some restrictions.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It’s 100% going to be a waldetoft score with maybe a dlc where sabaton sings about Prussians and Rorkes Drift

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb



False, the way you play vicky 2 is NF to bueaucrats->clergymen->soldiers->craftsmen :colbert:

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

It’s 100% going to be a waldetoft score with maybe a dlc where sabaton sings about Prussians and Rorkes Drift
In an unfortunate decision, someone at Paradox bought the rights to Prussian Blue songs, thinking they were Prussian marches.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I want to play Victoria 3

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

I tried yesterday after the announcement and could not get a factory going until I switched to socialist and built it myself. Also kept playing around with the budget sliders every five seconds to try and get an economy under control.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

AnEdgelord posted:

They're also right that I'll still keep playing that garbage

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Arbite posted:

Very excited for this. I really, really hope they go back to using actual music from the era like in V1. That added so much atmosphere that was lacking in the second.

Also a way to subsidize/incentivize factories you want built when you're not going full command economy would be nice.

The title screen of the original Vicky was amazing. See also EU3 blasting out Dies Irae

VaultAggie
Nov 18, 2010

Best out of 71?
Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

VaultAggie posted:

Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

The Modern World-System IV: Centrist Liberalism Triumphant, 1789–1914
Immanuel Wallerstein

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

VaultAggie posted:

Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Eric Hobswains Age of Revolution/Age of Capital/Age of Empire trilogy is a classic - they very much defined the concept of the "Long 19th Century" Victoria plays with. They aren't the most up to date, but are approachable for beginners for a text by an academic.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Victoria II came out a bit before my time/I was way, way too deep into AoEII and then RA2 at the time, then I discovered HoI2.

Anyway, I've heard all the rumblings about Vicky 2 over the years, but held off ever trying it. I am really, really excited for this.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Arbite posted:

Very excited for this. I really, really hope they go back to using actual music from the era like in V1. That added so much atmosphere that was lacking in the second.

We're never getting that again unfortunately.

That said, if I boot up the game on release day and Verdi's Triumphal March from Aida plays, I might cum.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

The title screen of the original Vicky was amazing. See also EU3 blasting out Dies Irae

Didn't all Paradox games around that era play (Mozart's) Dies Irae when you lost/quit a game? I'm pretty sure for at least EU2 and 3 and I think Vicky/Ricky did as well, I can't remember if HoI2 did, and I don't know about the first HoI.

Randarkman fucked around with this message at 21:00 on May 22, 2021

The Sandman
Jun 23, 2013

Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!
Does this mean they'll port TNO from HOI4 back to its natural environment?

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

As soon as more than a quarter of the screen is ocean, you just get bawdy shanties as the music.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

If I'm going to be honest, even though I'm pretty sure Vicky 2 is a better game, I always did like the original Vicky/Ricky more. I played the crap out of that in high school.

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006

VaultAggie posted:

Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

If you don't mind somewhat out of date histories, The Proud Tower by Barbara Tuchman is a really well written look at the 1890's to 1914 that isn't too long of a read and doesn't require prerequisite reading for the most part.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Omnicarus posted:

If you don't mind somewhat out of date histories, The Proud Tower by Barbara Tuchman is a really well written look at the 1890's to 1914 that isn't too long of a read and doesn't require prerequisite reading for the most part.

Hi I was coming to post the Proud Tower. You should also read the Guns of August straight after it.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Randarkman posted:

If I'm going to be honest, even though I'm pretty sure Vicky 2 is a better game, I always did like the original Vicky/Ricky more. I played the crap out of that in high school.

Agreed. The satisfaction of being the one to promote your POPs and guiding them along was a lot more..immersive? than the Vicky 2 model.

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Beamed posted:

Agreed. The satisfaction of being the one to promote your POPs and guiding them along was a lot more..immersive? than the Vicky 2 model.

What I really loved about the original Vicky was how broken it was in so many ways. You could do crazy poo poo like play Uruguay, use a few tricks to implement all social and political reforms asap, and then all the immigration from Europe came to you.

Which was particularly great, because Uruguay had just one state, and in early Vicky 1, capitalists gave a a factory output efficiency bonus without stacking penalty, so what you did was build a level 1 factory of all good types, then have one craftsmen and one clerk pop in each, and then turn every single other pop you have into capitalists.

So pretty soon you have a tiny country with >50M pop, with a few factory workers that each have a hundred capitalists looking over their shoulders, and the whole setup is ridiculously profitable, as you can compete with the industrial output of the rest of the world while only taking enough input products to run a single level 1 factory.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

VaultAggie posted:

Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

Podcasts are basically books, so just listen to the Revolution Podcast episodes from the sixth chapter about the July Revolution onwards.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

VaultAggie posted:

Reading all this makes me very interested in this era. Are there any good book recommendations for the politics of the Victorian era about economics/politics?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/index-mobiles.htm

tgacon
Mar 22, 2009
Victoria 4 when

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
You don't even need a mod to have period music btw. Turn music volume in the game down and then find one of the appx 10 million spotify or youtube playlists for "habsburg military marches" or "sea shanties" "socialist music" or "turkmenistani folk"

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAhoIZVFkXQ

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