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Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

Bismuth posted:

I really appreciate that mookie cant figure out how to really emote with snout's face at all, he always just looks vaguely concerned/confused. Also he really does look like hes hovering over the ground in a squat

An inevitable side effect as Mookie is copying Snout and other elements from old comics more and more often.

I cannot get over how Mookie has drawn Snout making GBS threads in a field and seems oblivious to this either. The body doesn't even seem recycled. Could he really not find a reference photo of someone sitting on a hill?

That decolorized background also looks like poo poo. It's like an old video game when they use a photograph as a painting or something but it's all 16 bit looking. It looks like a big field with bales of hay in it.

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TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!
I guess getting overwhelmed and leaving is supposed to be Snout's thing now, since in-universe he's doing it daily, and I don't know man. Maybe I'm reading too far in but it feels like another soft boi quirk Mookie's tacked on to make Snout look like an uwu baby.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

This plot is such a loving nothing with no stakes and no reason for Snout to be concerned. And yet he's overwhelmed? Ok? You don't need to DO anything, Snout, she's in good hands and you can go... I dunno, get that book or whatever you were supposed to be doing at some point.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


TheHan posted:

I guess getting overwhelmed and leaving is supposed to be Snout's thing now, since in-universe he's doing it daily, and I don't know man. Maybe I'm reading too far in but it feels like another soft boi quirk Mookie's tacked on to make Snout look like an uwu baby.

It's really hard not to read personal projection into this. Snout goes off to be mopey every time he feels inadequate, and then a designated mother figure walks in to comfort him. It's like soft boi fetish porn.

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015
Snout needing to go for a walk every time something happens lets Mookie trace some poses and backgrounds to stall for time while he tries to figure out what will happen next and how to go about fixing the latest plot hole/snarl he's created in his efforts to fix the previous one.

As previously observed, it's why the travel sequences only occur when the characters aren't actually going anywhere.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
This comic is so loving bad I love it and hope Mookie keeps making comics until the day he dies.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
Something interesting happening, better have the main character run away as far from the plot as possible.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

This comic is so loving bad I love it and hope Mookie keeps making comics until the day he dies.

His patreon seems to have stalled out and hit its ceiling at 1.2k/mo, which isn't really livable for a family... But knowing how little effort he puts into the comic, it's easily possible he has a day job too (if he's even the main breadwinner, which I'm not going to try and dive into).

Maybe he makes a decent amount off of sales of DD and Star Power books? I really doubt it, but it's SOMETHING. I assume he made most of his money off the con scene, and, well, we all know what happened there.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Snout is curious and brave, which is why every time he's presented with any information at all he has to take a walk and sulk.

He doesn't even seek anything out, someone competent always has to dedicate themselves to leading him through the plot by the hand. The only time he was on his own for any length of time was finding vine lady and he just tripped over that entire stupid arc.

I guess there was the time he was walking to Mongreltown but that was one montage and then Inky came back for him.

Caphi fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 26, 2021

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.

Caphi posted:

Snout is curious and brave, which is why every time he's presented with any information at all he has to take a walk and sulk.

Curious about why people aren't constantly talking about him and brave enough to look for other sycophants alone on a hill.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Rotten Red Rod posted:

His patreon seems to have stalled out and hit its ceiling at 1.2k/mo, which isn't really livable for a family... But knowing how little effort he puts into the comic, it's easily possible he has a day job too (if he's even the main breadwinner, which I'm not going to try and dive into).

Maybe he makes a decent amount off of sales of DD and Star Power books? I really doubt it, but it's SOMETHING. I assume he made most of his money off the con scene, and, well, we all know what happened there.

He made this comic despite it not reaching the stretch goal. Mookie, again, does the ‘artistic’ equivalent of masturbation; his intended audience is and always has been primarily of not exclusively himself.

The tragicomic and terrifying reality is that Mookie started and probably still is doing this comic because he wants to, not because he feels he has to.

Billy Gnosis
May 18, 2006

Now is the time for us to gather together and celebrate those things that we like and think are fun.
No I think there is an element that he has to. He wants the identity of being a comic artist but not actually create.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

For a character who's main defining trait is "curiosity", he sure doesn't seem to have much capacity for it.

TheHan
Oct 29, 2011

Grind, you poor fool!
Grind straight for the stars!

Emrikol posted:

Snout needing to go for a walk every time something happens lets Mookie trace some poses and backgrounds to stall for time while he tries to figure out what will happen next and how to go about fixing the latest plot hole/snarl he's created in his efforts to fix the previous one.

As previously observed, it's why the travel sequences only occur when the characters aren't actually going anywhere.

This is the only other possibility, and I feel like it'd be worse. Mookie might be the only audience Mookie has in mind but I'm sure he still wants people to read the comic with him. It's the same mistake he made in OG Deegan and Star Power, wasting months worth of everyone's time with pointless story arcs and pages that go nowhere.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
How hard is it to just write a basic outline of the plot points you want to hit and maybe a couple notes on how to get there?

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
His pose is so obviously someone sitting on a chair leaning forward like that. He's so bad.

RoboRodent
Sep 19, 2012

Eh, I'll say that needing to go for a walk after someone hands you an essay they wrote for some reason about useless you are is probably fair. That would gently caress me up a bit.

But that's the only thing that makes sense. The art is clumsy, Snout absolutely looks like he's making GBS threads on a hill, and it still doesn't answer why anyone would write extensively on the uselessness of someone they just met in academic terms and then let them read it. If Snout is meant to read as Mookie's self insert, it does kind of read like Mookie's refutation of his critics.

Except "well you're just mean because you think you're better than me" is some middle school level of insight.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Bismuth posted:

How hard is it to just write a basic outline of the plot points you want to hit and maybe a couple notes on how to get there?
I believe he is on record as like, wanting to be surprised at where the story goes. So he doesn't plan ahead.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Caphi posted:

Snout is curious and brave, which is why every time he's presented with any information at all he has to take a walk and sulk.

This neatly summarizes the entire comic, imo

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Zereth posted:

I believe he is on record as like, wanting to be surprised at where the story goes. So he doesn't plan ahead.

Jesus just roleplay like a normal nerd

Libra
Jan 5, 2011

He did roleplay and the other players hated his character, a proto Dominic Deegan. So they kicked him out and Mookie started a comic.
I think that's how it went anyway.

I guess DD really is just someone playing dungeons and dragons by themselves, huh?

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Libra posted:

He did roleplay and the other players hated his character, a proto Dominic Deegan. So they kicked him out and Mookie started a comic.
I think that's how it went anyway.

I guess DD really is just someone playing dungeons and dragons by themselves, huh?

I meant like deviantart/tumblr style not d&d but i can imagine he's probably too annoying for most roleplayers

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Bismuth posted:

How hard is it to just write a basic outline of the plot points you want to hit and maybe a couple notes on how to get there?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if it wasn’t for the actual results, I’d kind of envy him for being able to just bum rush into his stories without worrying about pesky little things like developing a central theme or character development or a general sense of continuity.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Someone was mean to me so I'm gonna go mope. Hope that's okay crazy vine lady clone who just puked up an evil weed.

Beelzebufo
Mar 5, 2015

Frog puns are toadally awesome


RoboRodent posted:

Eh, I'll say that needing to go for a walk after someone hands you an essay they wrote for some reason about useless you are is probably fair. That would gently caress me up a bit.

But that's the only thing that makes sense. The art is clumsy, Snout absolutely looks like he's making GBS threads on a hill, and it still doesn't answer why anyone would write extensively on the uselessness of someone they just met in academic terms and then let them read it. If Snout is meant to read as Mookie's self insert, it does kind of read like Mookie's refutation of his critics.

Except "well you're just mean because you think you're better than me" is some middle school level of insight.

if this was the first time he did it maybe, but now it's Mookie writing in excuses. It's true that having a dude write out all the reasons you're mediocre could be reason to go feel bad, but nothing in this comic is happening "just because". It's Mookie mind-palace, so the fact that he keeps returning to this specific image of a sad longhaired doofus feeling overwhelmed and inadequate says something (or a lot!) about the author.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


The problem is, this is setup. "Protagonist gets faced with an inconvenient truth and is shaken" is setup. This is the kind of setup we've seen before, and the way mookie always handles the payoff for it is with over-validation. His characters sulk so that someone can go up to them and tell them "no actually you are awesome and doubting yourself is nonsense" (or arrive to the same conclusion through introspection). We've seen this over and over in OG Deegan with all sorts of characters, and especially Luna. Ink Witch is probably gonna show up and tell him the orc guy's a jerk he shouldn't listen to or something.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Last time this happened to him, he bucked up, did a bunch of research, and then set on a quest... To walk in one direction with no real destination

Lemony
Jul 27, 2010

Now With Fresh Citrus Scent!
I think someone else in the thread already made this observation, but I definitely think this comic is legit art, just not at all in the way it is intended. It's so shockingly, blandly bad that it almost comes off as a performance piece. There are so many layers to the badness that you can just keep peeling forever.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
The story so far...

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

10/10. Could use a feces contrail.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!


Twitter Deegan fans:
https://twitter.com/DharricRolyat/status/1397616404250177545?s=19

Thread Deegan connoisseurs: lol he poop on hill

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

And right there, the reason he keeps doing the comic: Twitter ego massaging. Even if he never gets above a handful of likes/retweets, those gushing comments fuel him.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Mx. posted:

Twitter Deegan fans:
https://twitter.com/DharricRolyat/status/1397616404250177545?s=19

Thread Deegan connoisseurs: lol he poop on hill

DamnitGannet
Apr 8, 2007

whats there to think about? nothing's happened!!

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
He's overwhelmed by the fact that corpsemom can now do a thing that changes absolutely nothing about how Snout interacts with her.

oriongates
Mar 14, 2013

Validate Me!


Yeah, that was an incredibly sharp swerve from a scene about corpsey to now having the scene be exclusively about Snout. As though her jumping into his arms was the culmination of her entire character.

Not even going to bother to ask if she has a name or would maybe like one. Women don't have names. Everyone knows that.

We have three female characters and none of them have names (I'm not counting Bee, because her level of interaction is still shallower than that one mongrelfolk potion seller with earwax remover). Meanwhile, we've got six male characters, who are all given names as soon as they're introduced or very shortly afterwards. Even the loving tentacle monster in the wild edge gets a name. But women? Names? Nooo.

Invisible Clergy
Sep 25, 2015

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces"

Malachi 2:3

Libra posted:

He did roleplay and the other players hated his character, a proto Dominic Deegan. So they kicked him out and Mookie started a comic.
I think that's how it went anyway.

I guess DD really is just someone playing dungeons and dragons by themselves, huh?
Yes, that is correct.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

His patreon seems to have stalled out and hit its ceiling at 1.2k/mo, which isn't really livable for a family... But knowing how little effort he puts into the comic, it's easily possible he has a day job too (if he's even the main breadwinner, which I'm not going to try and dive into).

Maybe he makes a decent amount off of sales of DD and Star Power books? I really doubt it, but it's SOMETHING. I assume he made most of his money off the con scene, and, well, we all know what happened there.

Mookie does not to my knowledge have a day job. Without getting into detail, we know from the blog Mrs. Mookie is indeed the sole breadwinner in their household.

He does not. As he discussed in the old days of the blog, like many similar individuals such as J.F. Bibeau, his spiritual twin, going to cons would at best be a break even venture for him and would more often be a loss of a few hundred bucks with travel, accommodation, food, etc. He only ever went to stroke his ego by doing the "writing memorable heroes and villains" panel and such. Even at the height of his popularity it was never a serious money maker. I can't imagine that he's suddenly making more from his output now.


Zereth posted:

I believe he is on record as like, wanting to be surprised at where the story goes. So he doesn't plan ahead.
Yes, one of his craft essays was about this. Also, during "Star Power," his artist begged him to outline in advance so he'd know basic things like what he was going to need to draw for the next story arc. Mookie did it for one arc and then complained it was too much work and that he didn't feel surprised as he was writing anymore so stopped.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Love it

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
https://twitter.com/BradStone/status/1397551413471760389

See? Mookie does have "diverse worldbuilding"!

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Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil

Caphi posted:

https://twitter.com/BradStone/status/1397551413471760389

See? Mookie does have "diverse worldbuilding"!

Hmm, let's see...

- Heroic protagonist who experiences growth and change: Snout recently got new clothes.
- Compelling antagonist: This orc guy is kind of mean.
- Wish fulfillment: While Snout has never expressed a desire for two mom-wifes, this is probably the case.
- Moral choices: At some point Snout will have to choose between his two mom-wifes, because polygamy is for jocks.
- Different geographic landscapes: When the Wild Edge isn't an empty void, it contains almost impossibly different geographic landscapes.
- Urgency to watch the next episode (cliffhangers): True, we are all excited to see in what new ways nothing can happen.
- Civilizational high stakes: There's a book. It's probably important. Or something.
- Humor: Do the edits count?
- Betrayal: There was this thing where the Ink Witch was doing something bad, but she said sorry and she wouldn't do it again?
- Positive emotions: Snout has expressed happiness.
- Negative emotions: Snout has also expressed sadness.
- Violence: Snout has been punched.

Seems legit.

Version 2: Dominic Deegan Edition:
- Heroic protagonist who experiences growth and change: Dominic gets power-ups, check.
- Compelling antagonist: They are more compelling than the Deegans at least.
- Wish fulfillment: Standing ovations.
- Moral choices: Does it count that Dominic whined about having to save a world that contains evil jocks before saving the world?
- Different geographic landscapes: Not as starkly different as the sequel.
- Urgency to watch the next episode (cliffhangers): Some comics ended with cliffhangers, yes.
- Civilizational high stakes: Okay, that one happened.
- Humor: Do the puns counts?
- Betrayal: Jacob.
- Positive emotions: Dominic has experienced happiness.
- Negative emotions: Dominic has also expressed sadness.
- Violence: Dominic has been punched.

Cloacamazing! fucked around with this message at 16:59 on May 27, 2021

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