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Another Bill posted:Oh yeah, if we start looking we are going to find a lot of bodies everywhere. Sending ground penetrating radar to every residential school is the only way to start getting at the truth and no politician will do it. All the more reason why weepy politicians talking about how sad this all is deserve to get shot into the sun. gently caress the politicians, get a public advocacy group to examine the sites and lay the skeletons at the feet of those responsible. It doesn't matter if the politicians reject responsibility they were never going to accept. What is important is that the public knows and forces action. Japan has a similar issue with accepting responsibility as mentioned above, but I fault governments and their imposition of what constitutes "culture" rather than individuals when it comes to recognizing historical atrocities. When governments refuse to accept truth it is up to the public to educate themselves and lay the truth bare. The mindset of "we did nothing wrong" in Japan isn't universal, and neither is the mindset here in Canada with regards to residential schools. Most of it is born from ignorance inflicted by government systems rather than an ingrown hatred and denial.
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Jun 1, 2021 17:00
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Another Bill posted:Do me a favor, bring this person a cassarole or something. Recovering from regular labour is hard enough but c sections are major surgery. "Yes but you see we found efficiencies." - MB Health Minister Kelvin Goertzen, in between doing a photo-op in front of a sign at a vaccine site that says "no photos" and attending an online conference with Betsy Devos. "Give us some more of that!" - replied rural Manitoba InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 17:01
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Headline in 6 months: “Federal Liberals use the data collected from ground penetrating radar at residential schools to plot new pipeline routes”
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Jun 1, 2021 17:06
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Headline in 6 months: window seat please
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Jun 1, 2021 17:09
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In CFL news the Edmonton Eskimos have changed their name to the Edmonton Elks and it's a sea of white trash fucko's being outraged and joking about Elk-culture. gently caress this Earth. We deserve this plague.
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Jun 1, 2021 17:28
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By all means give them a rough ride over the made-up pluralization, though
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Jun 1, 2021 17:31
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flakeloaf posted:By all means give them a rough ride over the made-up pluralization, though It's a fake word but it sounds better as a team name and keeps the "Esks" shorthand going, so I don't hate it (I do, however, hate the team, a trash franchise for idiots, go stamps) The John Deere logo is fuckin awful, though. I assume it was a contractually-obligated design as part of the new name, and they'll just keep using the EE logo everywhere they can.
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Jun 1, 2021 17:35
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People watch the CFL? I was under the impression that whole thing was a money laundering scheme.
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Jun 1, 2021 17:39
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Saalkin posted:People watch the CFL? I was under the impression that whole thing was a money laundering scheme. Every year Winnipeg Blue Bomber and Saskatchewan Roughriders fans engage in a heated display of competitiveness that is ten times more furious than something as low stakes as a CFL game has any right to be.,
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Jun 1, 2021 17:42
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I do sometimes wonder how other cities/provinces view it. Here in Winnipeg the CFL is nearly as big as the NHL in terms of passion and fan engagement. Bombers are a big loving deal.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:07
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Vintersorg posted:I do sometimes wonder how other cities/provinces view it. Here in Winnipeg the CFL is nearly as big as the NHL in terms of passion and fan engagement. Bombers are a big loving deal. I know quite a few Redblack fans in Ottawa. It's definitely a thing people care about, enough to fill the stadiums anyway.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:12
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A buddy took me to a BC Lions game once. The stadium was half empty and I thought the game ended about 45 minutes before it actually did end. The beer was only slightly cheaper than at a Canucks game so I found the whole thing to be a waste.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:13
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Saalkin posted:People watch the CFL? I was under the impression that whole thing was a money laundering scheme. At this point what isn't a money laundering scheme in this country? 
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Jun 1, 2021 18:13
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Vintersorg posted:I do sometimes wonder how other cities/provinces view it. Here in Winnipeg the CFL is nearly as big as the NHL in terms of passion and fan engagement. Bombers are a big loving deal. Is this maybe because for a long time Winnipeg didn't have an NHL team?
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Jun 1, 2021 18:19
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The only CFL fans I've ever met in the wild were roughriders fans, there seems to be a few of them around
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Jun 1, 2021 18:22
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I was always indifferent to the Argonauts but then they moved to our beautiful soccer stadium and we had to tear up the natural grass for some hybrid turf bullshit that ruins soccer players knees and now I hate them.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:23
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vyelkin posted:Is this maybe because for a long time Winnipeg didn't have an NHL team? Possibly but even when I was young it felt like a big deal. Especially since the Bombers won it in 1990. I have vivid memories of picking up my dad in the blizzard at the old stadium. Winnipeg is/was a blue collar city so stuff like this really resonates with people.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:26
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Also speaking of the CFL, if you have enough time to read 40,000 words of just.... I don't even know, here is an, uh, essay about Tebows record-breaking stint in the CFL. I'm not going to spoil it. https://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/18/5998715/the-tim-tebow-cfl-chronicles Don't read it on mobile, it has a lot of animations on that will only really work on a screen edit: read it even if you don't care about football Alctel fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 18:28
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Alctel posted:Also speaking of the CFL, if you have enough time to read 40,000 words of just.... I don't even know, here is an, uh, essay about Tebows record-breaking stint in the CFL. I'm not going to spoil it. This is the immortal Jon Bois' first masterpiece.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:29
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Another Bill posted:I was always indifferent to the Argonauts but then they moved to our beautiful soccer stadium and we had to tear up the natural grass for some hybrid turf bullshit that ruins soccer players knees and now I hate them. also gently caress the Argos GO CATS HOLY MAKINAW
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Jun 1, 2021 18:30
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My football team, that is to say the football team that is mine that belongs to me, Anne Elk.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:33
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Vintersorg posted:I do sometimes wonder how other cities/provinces view it. Here in Winnipeg the CFL is nearly as big as the NHL in terms of passion and fan engagement. Bombers are a big loving deal. Depends on the city I guess. Someone in Toronto may care about the Argos, but I've never met them.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:34
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Are you truly a Cfl fan if you've never been drenched by the open gutters of Ivor Wynne stadium? Are you truly a CFL fan if you've never had to break the layer of ice on your beer as you attempt to watch two teams in a driving snowstorm? MA-Horus fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 18:38
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It was a mistake renaming the Roughriders and they should have instead gone in the other direction and made all the teams Roughriders.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:43
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Madkal posted:A buddy took me to a BC Lions game once. The stadium was half empty and I thought the game ended about 45 minutes before it actually did end. The beer was only slightly cheaper than at a Canucks game so I found the whole thing to be a waste. Pretty sure there’s only about 40 actual fans and the rest wandered in by accident. To date BC Lions football is the only sports game I’ve actually forgotten I had tickets for.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:45
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Arcsquad12 posted:All the more reason why weepy politicians talking about how sad this all is deserve to get shot into the sun. gently caress the politicians, get a public advocacy group to examine the sites and lay the skeletons at the feet of those responsible. It doesn't matter if the politicians reject responsibility they were never going to accept. What is important is that the public knows and forces action. flakeloaf posted:The Hiroshima museum "recall[s] with great sorrow the many lives sacrificed to mistaken national policy", which is the closest thing I've ever seen to an admission... not that I've looked that hard, of course Every now and then you do see some healthier reflection like at the museums at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nagasaki had an important introductory section where they briefly laid out the path to the nuclear attack through the war in China and the subsequent war in the Pacific. Beelzebufo posted:I know quite a few Redblack fans in Ottawa. It's definitely a thing people care about, enough to fill the stadiums anyway.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:48
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MA-Horus posted:Are you truly a Cfl fan if you've never been drenched by the open gutters of Ivor Wynne stadium? that was pretty much the moment I realized, no, I'm not a CFL fan
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Jun 1, 2021 18:53
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CFL seems sad because all the players look like they are depressed to be there.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:54
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Alctel posted:The only CFL fans I've ever met in the wild were roughriders fans, there seems to be a few of them around one of my friends is a massive sask fan. she watches all the games, has a ton of logo merch, etc
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Jun 1, 2021 19:14
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Saalkin posted:People watch the CFL? I was under the impression that whole thing was a money laundering scheme. Given the salaries of the players, I'm not sure they're handling a high volume. Trying to avoid taxes on a lemonade stand maybe?
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Jun 1, 2021 19:50
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Also the Ti-Cats have some pretty hardcore fans. oskee wee wee rear end city
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Jun 1, 2021 19:51
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The various Stampeders games I've been to have been much more fun than Flames games. CFL is pretty fun
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Jun 1, 2021 19:59
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I wouldn't say I care about the CFL, but I've gone to a few games and they're fun. Rules are better than the NFL imo Anyway in real news: https://twitter.com/paulvieira/status/1399783886771699717
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Jun 1, 2021 20:19
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While it sucks for kids that is ultimately going to be the right thing to do.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:25
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The local newspaper had a spin about how parents are fed up with online learning and were demanding kids be sent to school ASAP. Like, really? It seems like such a dumb move with only like 3 weeks left of school. What benefit could it possibly have that isn't joined with increased risk?
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Jun 1, 2021 20:28
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Syfe posted:The local newspaper had a spin about how parents are fed up with online learning and were demanding kids be sent to school ASAP. There's some kind of organized effort to get schools to reopen but I can't figure out who or why. Only the dumbest dickbags I know want schools to reopen at this point.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:33
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Sashimi posted:My impression of the average Japanese person's views of the war after living there is that they know they did some awful things during that time and regret it, even if they can't point to discrete examples. The waters are muddied a lot because of toxic historiography in Japan history, heavily manipulated by a long campaign run by far right groups with close ties to the LDP that make sure textbooks and curriculums suit their agenda. You're probably never going to hear about Unit 731 or the Rape of Nanking in a Japanese school, and I'd imagine you'd have a difficult time publishing a book or article about topics like that too. There's also the cultural norm there that heavily frowns upon upsetting the social order, in addition to the risks of going against the agenda of entrenched and powerful groups if someone actually wanted to get loud about this. Ultimately that's pretty much what we do here in Canada. We don't teach just how horrific our own past with residential schools is beyond "we did some bad things." Our high school history classes don't talk about Canadian War Crimes in WW1 and especially in WW2 where we had a nasty rash of POW executions. We may not have the same outward appearance of frowning upon topics that upset the social order but we absolutely do downplay uncomfortable topics. We as a country are comfortable in mediocrity that doesn't rock the boat that much, which is why we've had decades upon decades of liberal rule with the occasional conservative administration to remind us how much worse things can be when we're not being mediocre. Nobody likes looking at their dirty past and the only way to learn more is to seek it out, because public education and catholic education sure as poo poo aren't going to do it for you. The only reason I learned about the motherfucker known as Duncan Campbell Scott is because his poetry was on the syllabus for CanLit in university and my prof was good enough to emphasize what a colossal monster he was to put his poetry into context.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:40
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To the surprise of absolutely no-one https://twitter.com/globalwinnipeg/status/1399794181724385283
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Jun 1, 2021 20:42
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Arcsquad12 posted:Ultimately that's pretty much what we do here in Canada. We don't teach just how horrific our own past with residential schools is beyond "we did some bad things." Our high school history classes don't talk about Canadian War Crimes in WW1 and especially in WW2 where we had a nasty rash of POW executions. We may not have the same outward appearance of frowning upon topics that upset the social order but we absolutely do downplay uncomfortable topics. We as a country are comfortable in mediocrity that doesn't rock the boat that much, which is why we've had decades upon decades of liberal rule with the occasional conservative administration to remind us how much worse things can be when we're not being mediocre. I contextualized my former career with the words "After Somalia" and then had to stop to explain what happened in Somalia. To a federal public servant. I weep.
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i dont have a ton of memories of history/social studies but i definitely feel like i came out of high school with a reasonable understanding of how heinous residential schools really were. a friend of mine says she remembers explicitly learning that too (this is in vancouver)
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