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The Peccadillo posted:I'm dreading these. Apparently Sundance was heaped with them, all basically interchangeable Bo Burnham is really talented though. Jay Rust posted:Saw No Country For Old Men for the first time since it came out, and I don’t understand why Javier Bardem kills those two guys in the desert, please help Because they're looking for a fuckton of money and he wants it for himself.
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Jay Rust posted:Who would hire him, he keeps killing his employers That's why his yelp reviews are entirely positive.
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Lol just lol that this forum had an utter meltdown over Zack Snyder’s lovely movie
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Hakkesshu posted:"You have to show why the lifestyle is glamorous and desirable before everything comes crashing down that's just basic storytelling right there" -Martin Scorcese 
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https://twitter.com/morninggloria/status/1399942382267764744?s=19 Pretty accurate.
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Fun fact! After the lockdowns all these dickheads decided now is the best time to get a dog. So if you need to bring your dog to the vet good loving luck. A few days ago I needed to bring my dog to the vet and they straight up told me they just couldn't take me because they were all booked UNTIL AUGUST. I called half a dozen other vets and they were all so booked they weren't taking new clients. I did end up getting an appointment with my own vet but only because I have a connection otherwise I would have been poo poo out of luck. There are also people who got dogs and then when they could go back to work they just brought them to animal shelters.
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CPL593H posted:Fun fact! After the lockdowns all these dickheads decided now is the best time to get a dog. So if you need to bring your dog to the vet good loving luck. A few days ago I needed to bring my dog to the vet and they straight up told me they just couldn't take me because they were all booked UNTIL AUGUST. I called half a dozen other vets and they were all so booked they weren't taking new clients. I did end up getting an appointment with my own vet but only because I have a connection otherwise I would have been poo poo out of luck. There are also people who got dogs and then when they could go back to work they just brought them to animal shelters. Not like we suddenly manufactured more dogs for the lockdown. Those were mostly shelter dogs and the reason they're taking up appointments you need for your dog is because they live in home with people who care about them instead of in a shelter, where because there were so many dogs they really only could pay attention to serious health issues.
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Alan Smithee posted:Lol just lol that this forum had an utter meltdown over Zack Snyder’s lovely movie to be fair arfjason later said that the film was in fact "ok"
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Unfortunately Vibes kinda has negative chemistry. Cyndi Lauper is solid and Goldblum is obviously good but they don't work well together at all and they drag the whole thing down together. Peter Falk is fun as always.
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Alan Smithee posted:Lol just lol that this forum had an utter meltdown over Zack Snyder’s lovely movie That's just the Snyder-effect, no one is immune; lovers or haters, the increasingly rare neutrals - everyone's mind melts sooner or later. It's a treasure to savour imo Jay Rust posted:Who would hire him, he keeps killing his employers We don't know that he has ever done that before. Chigurh only kills Stephen Root because he breaks his end of the contract by sending Woody after him That he is this "ultimate badass" is exactly why he gets hired. IIRC the book even has him meet with the Mexican boss of the snafu, who is fine because he doesn't try any double-cross . As to the 2 other hitmen/handlers, I don't know. Probably one of them said or did something trivial that was against Anton's bizarre and terrifying code of behaviour
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I just put up the June Movie of the Month thread. Go look at it.Skwirl posted:Not like we suddenly manufactured more dogs for the lockdown. Those were mostly shelter dogs and the reason they're taking up appointments you need for your dog is because they live in home with people who care about them instead of in a shelter, where because there were so many dogs they really only could pay attention to serious health issues. Okay, that's a good point. But people who got those dogs and then just brought them back when they got back to work are complete jerkoffs.
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CPL593H posted:Okay, that's a good point. But people who got those dogs and then just brought them back when they got back to work are complete jerkoffs. Those people are terrible, but, percentage wise, I don't think it's that many people, and again, the dogs that get sent back to shelters aren't the one's in front of your dog for a vet appointment.
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That Ellie Kemper story was a hilarious amount of nothing. Can't believe a 19 year old in 1999 didn't have the gumption to question if the organisation that allowed Black people to join it before she was born (and where a Black lady had won it 2 years before) was in fact a secret KKK gala.
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It led me to listen to the Truanon episode about the Veiled Prophet Society which has some interesting rear end 19th century anti-labour history, so I am personally glad that Erin from the Office is in the Bohemian Grove echelon
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Just wait for the sequel, Cruella vs Zoolander
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DrVenkman posted:That Ellie Kemper story was a hilarious amount of nothing. Can't believe a 19 year old in 1999 didn't have the gumption to question if the organisation that allowed Black people to join it before she was born (and where a Black lady had won it 2 years before) was in fact a secret KKK gala. The AV Club article on it is the best example to date of just how awful that site has gotten over the past few years. It’s becoming Outrage Clickbait Central and it’s fuckin gross.
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Escobarbarian posted:The AV Club article on it is the best example to date of just how awful that site has gotten over the past few years. It’s becoming Outrage Clickbait Central and it’s fuckin gross. They've been pretty much dead since the Kinja buyout, but it's a shame to see how utterly low effort the writing there has become. Just breathlessly pumping out bad takes you didn't take one second to research to an audience that seems to hate you.
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Jay Rust posted:Who would hire him, he keeps killing his employers I dunno maybe they just don’t ask for references in them parts
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 I Before E posted:to be fair arfjason later said that the film was in fact "ok" Was this before or after they said “just kidding it still looks like aids.” CPL593H posted:Okay, that's a good point. But people who got those dogs and then just brought them back when they got back to work are complete jerkoffs. It’s very likely that some of these people thought the work-from-home phase of the pandemic would be much longer or even permanent, and got dogs with that expectation.
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Escobarbarian posted:The AV Club article on it is the best example to date of just how awful that site has gotten over the past few years. It’s becoming Outrage Clickbait Central and it’s fuckin gross. The last time I was there a week ago they had a link on the front page to a slideshow published in 2015!
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I Before E posted:to be fair arfjason later said that the film was in fact "ok" blasphemy. lies.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:
I love that Scorcese "quote" SO MUCH. Thank you!
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X-Ray Pecs posted:It’s very likely that some of these people thought the work-from-home phase of the pandemic would be much longer or even permanent, and got dogs with that expectation. One piece of advice about getting a dog that I agree with is that you should only do it for the dog, not for yourself. Get a dog(preferably a rescue) because you want to give a dog a great life, don't get a dog because you're cooped up in your house and you think it'll help with your depression or whatever.
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It’s facile to say that Scorcese “endorses” the characters he depicts, but it’s also pretty lazy to say that he doesn’t glorify it just because his characters meet misfortune in the end. There was a whole genre of novels in the 17th century that spent hundreds of pages glamorizing characters that lived as pickpockets and prostitutes that ended with dull fifteen-page soliloquies where a priest laments that it led them to die of disease and rot in hell. The original Scarface was basically the same thing.
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Tony Montana's downfall was that he wouldn't kill women and children. Doesn't sound like a bad guy to me.
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Pretty sure he's taking the piss. It's not like the 'depiction=endorsement' moral panics haven't been around all his life and much longer.
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I always loved the ending of Angels With Dirty Faces for this. Rocky (Cagney) lives the gangster life with no remorse and no regrets, emboldening the dead end kids who idolize Rocky. Father Pat, Rocky’s childhood friend, tells him to repent before they sentence him to death so he can not only save his own soul, but to also save the kids from following in his footsteps. What follows is left to the viewer’s interpretation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJUg9HwgDz0 “Promise me something, promise you won’t let me hear you pray.”
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Scorsese absolutely does make the mob life look totally kickass and fun. But if someone brings that up to attack him or his movies, the correct response is not to say "Oh but they always get their comeuppance in the end!". It's a very weak response because the images of living the cool mobster life are already in your brain by the time the bad stuff happens. And people know that in real life people who prosper at the expense of others usually don't get their comeuppance in the end. They live full happy lives and when they die they leave their ill-gotten gains to their useless children. So even when the movies are based on true stories it's easy to subconsciously discard the ending as a narrative contrivance and just remember the cool mobster stuff. And people who try to live without loving over others tend to get hosed over in the end too. And they never got any time living the mobster high life with a safe full of jewels and a sexy wife who hated them, so who's the real loser? The correct response to that criticism is to say "So what?". It's not the job of movies to impart correct morals. And you aren't a child, you shouldn't expect them to. Grow the gently caress up.
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Gripweed posted:Scorsese absolutely does make the mob life look totally kickass and fun. But if someone brings that up to attack him or his movies, the correct response is not to say "Oh but they always get their comeuppance in the end!". It's a very weak response because the images of living the cool mobster life are already in your brain by the time the bad stuff happens. And people know that in real life people who prosper at the expense of others usually don't get their comeuppance in the end. They live full happy lives and when they die they leave their ill-gotten gains to their useless children. So even when the movies are based on true stories it's easy to subconsciously discard the ending as a narrative contrivance and just remember the cool mobster stuff. And people who try to live without loving over others tend to get hosed over in the end too. And they never got any time living the mobster high life with a safe full of jewels and a sexy wife who hated them, so who's the real loser? Your opinion would hold more weight if you hadn't already said you haven't watched his movies. At no point during his mobster movies does it look like "fun" or "kickass". There's always grounding elements for anyone with a modicum of humanity to see and say "Wow, these characters are hosed up" and/or "this lifestyle is horrific". Even in Casino when they are at the height of "kick-rear end", Joe Pesci is stabbing random dudes in the neck with a pen. Jordan Belfort is an rear end in a top hat. Goodfellas paints an early example that everyone is cut-throat, and you are just as easily disposed of with a quick bullet to the brain. This stuff isn't left for the ending. It's throughout the film. Casino starts with the character getting blown up in a car, and follows it up with Sam losing his humanity, losing his family, losing his direction of life, losing his friendships, losing absolutely everything in the pursuit of trying to be a Big Shot in Vegas. But okay, his mobster movies paint the mob as "fun". That still leaves Taxi Driver, Shutter Island, Raging Bull, After Hours, Hugo, The King of Comedy, Silence, Cape Fear, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Color of Money, The Age of Innocence, The Last Waltz, Rolling Thunder Revue, Kundun, George Harrison: Living In The Material World, No Direction Home, Bringing Out The Dead, and plenty of other non-mob moves that explore creativity, music, Catholicism and Christianity, the failure of the American Dream, Cinema, mental illness, and tons of other themes and ideas that have nothing to do with the mob or people taking advantage of capitalism. (Well, Color of Money is about Captalism).
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Scorsese is deeply Catholic. The through line for that is that everyone in his movies is guilty and are going to hell, including us for watching them, excepting Willem Dafoe.
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PeterCat posted:Scorsese is deeply Catholic. The through line for that is that everyone in his movies is guilty and are going to hell, including us for watching them, excepting Willem Dafoe. He's pretty sympathetic to Paul Hackett, even though that character literally ends up in Hell. Back at his lovely office job after a night with zero sleep and in the same clothes he wore the day before.
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Franchescanado posted:Your opinion would hold more weight if you hadn't already said you haven't watched his movies. I did say that, but that was in the past. Now I have watched multiple Scorsese movies. I watched the movie that features this scene for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NWEfWEdQY0 Of course he doesn't depict the mob as cool, but he absolutely does want the audience to at least understand the appeal of the money, respect, and power that being in the mob can bring. And to do so he creates scenes and images in which the mob life looks great. Gripweed fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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I think Goodfellas is a pretty straight-forward portrayal of what Scorsese thinks about that type of person. Henry lays it out early on, these guys chose to be gangsters because they enjoy being able to simply take what they want without asking or earning it the traditional way. Not only that, but their willingness to step on others to get their way makes them feel superior, they look down on regular people who don't commit crimes as naive idiots. In The Sopranos(which is heavily influenced by Scorsese), Christopher ends up setting his own fiance up to be murdered just because he can't handle the idea of living, as Henry Hill would put it, like a "schnook". At their core these guys are petulant children who refuse to grow up, and they'll violently lash out at anyone who even makes them feel about about that fact. It's not glamourous.
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Gripweed posted:I did say that, but that was in the past. Now I have watched multiple Scorsese movies. Which ones have you watched in the past two days that weren't the aforementioned "cool dudes doing cool things"? edit: I also genuinely have no idea which movies that's even describing. Goodfellas and Casino and Wolf of Wall Street are nothing but insufferable people being terrible. Wolf also pretty clearly points that Jordan's rise is endemic to the Wall Street system and culture, with enough people willing to take his place to fill an audience, because that's the blood that keeps the system alive. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Franchescanado posted:Which ones have you watched in the past two days that weren't the aforementioned "cool dudes doing cool things"? The Color of Money?
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I’ve been watching Gomorrah (about the criminal organization that runs Naples) on hbo max and it is very much not glamorous (but it is incredibly good). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4QORgagblU
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OK but organized crime is glamorous and fun. That's why people do it.
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If it makes you feel any better, it’s probably as difficult to see a medical professional for yourself as it is for your dog right now. The clinic I work in is the busiest I’ve seen it in the roughly 5 years I’ve been here. Vaccination rates going up doesn’t just mean that people are taking care of things they put off, it also means they’re leaving the house and doing stupid poo poo that gets them hurt, thus requiring medical attention they wouldn’t have needed a few months ago when they were still in lockdown. Additionally, you have a ton of people who put things off that are now in pretty terrible shape because they should have addressed it sooner.
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