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Basebf555 posted:The Color of Money? I'll admit that I've only seen clips of that one, not the whole thing. Also, it's a sequel??
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Franchescanado posted:I'll admit that I've only seen clips of that one, not the whole thing. Yea Newman made the first movie in the 60s, so in the sequel he's the older mentor figure and Tom Cruise is the young hustler. Apparently they're based on novels.
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Jun 2, 2021 19:19
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Franchescanado posted:I'll admit that I've only seen clips of that one, not the whole thing. It’s a loose sequel to the Hustler (Paul Newman’s character is in both) like Enemy of the State is a loose sequel to the Conversation.
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The Hustler is on Criterion Channel, so I'll check that out sometime, and I've never known The Color of Money to be on a streaming service.
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Anonymous Robot posted:It’s facile to say that Scorcese “endorses” the characters he depicts, but it’s also pretty lazy to say that he doesn’t glorify it just because his characters meet misfortune in the end. There was a whole genre of novels in the 17th century that spent hundreds of pages glamorizing characters that lived as pickpockets and prostitutes that ended with dull fifteen-page soliloquies where a priest laments that it led them to die of disease and rot in hell. The original Scarface was basically the same thing. He glorifies the life of gangsters or a Wall Street executives because he acknowledges why these scum-sucking assholes do the things they do: it’s fun as hell to be on top and answer to no one.
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Jun 2, 2021 19:30
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Basebf555 posted:The Color of Money? I’ve never seen The Color of Money but I need to because of... well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K0oeM0wHeY
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Jun 2, 2021 19:35
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He makes some aspects of mob life look cool because they are cool.
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Jun 2, 2021 19:46
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Hustler and color of money are great
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Jun 2, 2021 19:49
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on another topic, If you would like to host a movie a month thread please pm me!
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:OK but organized crime is glamorous and fun. That's why people do it. Absolutely. Criminals are the definition of cool, what the gently caress else does cool mean? The thing is that these criticisms are all about how movies should be morality plays, and coming entirely from offended Marvel fans. Unlike being a loving mobster, being a PMC in a mascot uniform isn’t cool at all, and it’s at least as evil
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DeimosRising posted:Absolutely. Criminals are the definition of cool, what the gently caress else does cool mean? The thing is that these criticisms are all about how movies should be morality plays, and coming entirely from offended Marvel fans. Unlike being a loving mobster, being a PMC in a mascot uniform isn’t cool at all, and it’s at least as evil The funny thing is that Scorsese’s crime movies basically are morality plays.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:08
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I would like to think that when Scorcese inevitably directs my biopic it will be wall-to-wall cool dudes doing cool things.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:22
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I will admit Scorsese's No Direction Home is a cool dude (Bob Dylan) doing cool things (being Bob Dylan).
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Jun 2, 2021 20:27
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All this Scorsese talk makes me want to throw on American Boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZCLZtf-vyo This is a cool conversation too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6ZXIj5FW8
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Jun 2, 2021 20:30
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ruddiger posted:This is a cool conversation too Yeah this one rules. It's a supplemental feature on the Scorsese Shorts release by Criterion, and even though all of them are available on the streaming service (including this interview), it made me want to buy a physical copy too. Also CineD has a Scorsese thread. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3959431
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:The funny thing is that Scorsese’s crime movies basically are morality plays. For most of the Last Temptation of Christ Jesus is just hanging out with his friends and his girlfriend but then things get pretty bad for him at the end of the movie. FreudianSlippers posted:He makes some aspects of mob life look cool because they are cool. Except for the whole part about being surrounded by violent assholes who might murder you at any second or bury you alive in a cornfield. Franchescanado posted:Yeah this one rules. It's a supplemental feature on the Scorsese Shorts release by Criterion, and even though all of them are available on the streaming service (including this interview), it made me want to buy a physical copy too. I WILL NEVER WATCH THE SHORTS.
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CPL593H posted:Except for the whole part about being surrounded by violent assholes who might murder you at any second or bury you alive in a cornfield. Yeah, this is such a huge part of Casino and Goodfellas for me. Like, once you're in, you're in. There's no going back, unless you become a rat and snitch, which gives you a bigger target on your back and compromises your entire livelihood. And if you gently caress up, or if you become an inconvenience, or if you just piss off the wrong guy, you're done. If your enemy becomes smarter than you or gets a lucky break, you're done. It's more prominent in The Sopranos and with what we know about actual mobsters and Mafia, but it's present in Scorsese's mob films: you're a big fish in a small pond. Sam can't leave Vegas. He can't get out of the Casino business, although he likes to think he can. Henry goes from at least having his NYC neighborhoods to some quiet dumb suburb cuz he's in witness protection. Even Jordan Belfort goes from seemingly having the world before him--yachts and helicopters and European vacations--but he always had to go back to Wall Street, and then eventually winds up in white collar jail.
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It’s so odd to me that Scorsese became a bit of an online divisive figure. Dude literally makes the best films of all time. Insane to me
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CelticPredator posted:It’s so odd to me that Scorsese became a bit of an online divisive figure. He disrespected Marvel is how it started.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:55
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When you diss the perfect MCU this is what you get apparently
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I'm a bit more confused by recent the change in online discourse that Scorsese is considered Dude Bro Cinema, alongside Boondock Saints and Good Will Hunting and A Beautiful Mind. I get that for De Palma's Scarface, for instance, cuz that movie was hugely influential to Miami culture, cocaine culture, hip-hop culture, and video game culture even though, like Goodfellas, it's just a solidly great movie all around. De Palma leans into the male gaze and stuff, which muddles the intent sometimes, but Tony still, uh, killed his best friend and drove his sister insane with his incestuous protection over her and compromised his business dealings with a shaky basis of morality, all while doing MASSIVE piles of cocaine. Scarface shows you Tony's a piece of poo poo the first time we meet him.
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Skwirl posted:He disrespected Marvel is how it started. He's just mad they didn't cast Pacino for Surtur
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Jun 2, 2021 21:04
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A lot of people seem to forget or not even know that Scorsese's filmography is incredibly diverse and sum his career up to the handful of mob movies he did.
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CPL593H posted:A lot of people seem to forget or not even know that Scorsese's filmography is incredibly diverse and sum his career up to the handful of mob movies he did. After Hours is one of my favorite 80s comedies and it drives me nuts that boutique blu-ray labels aren't fighting for the chance to release it on 4k UHD or something.
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I think it’s really funny that Marvel stans didn’t go for the extremely obvious move of cancelling Scorsese for saying the n-word in Taxi Driver, it shows they want to say how awful he is without watching any of his movies.
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CelticPredator posted:It’s so odd to me that Scorsese became a bit of an online divisive figure. there's a little voice in the back of every good little consumer's head that knows the whole MCU content machine is bullshit. scorsese's remarks and his art give that voice a microphone. it threatens people's ability to pretend to ignore the stink of the slop they're eating. so they attack him instead of reflecting on the price of complacency. It's classic Stockholm syndrome.
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Goodfellas “glamorizes” being a gangster in the same sense that Trainspotting “glamorizes” doing heroin
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X-Ray Pecs posted:I think it’s really funny that Marvel stans didn’t go for the extremely obvious move of cancelling Scorsese for saying the n-word in Taxi Driver, it shows they want to say how awful he is without watching any of his movies. That would mean they'd have to cancel Tarantino too, and there's no way they're gonna do that.
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Disney wants people to forget good movies exist as they’ll accept cheaper slop. Once they are done making bad remakes of their own movies they’ll start again with even worse remakes of the same movies and throw the originals in the vault.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Goodfellas “glamorizes” being a gangster in the same sense that Trainspotting “glamorizes” doing heroin I was gonna say the Goodfellas talk reminded me of why I like Trainspotting way more than Requiem for a Dream. They're both good at showing how addiction can ruin your life, but Requiem never shows you why people do heroin in the first place.
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Franchescanado posted:I'm a bit more confused by recent the change in online discourse that Scorsese is considered Dude Bro Cinema, alongside Boondock Saints and Good Will Hunting and A Beautiful Mind. And I'm like, the loving V for Vendetta guy? You find that stuff that challenging?
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Gorn Myson posted:Alan Moore had some comment about superhero stuff that re-emerged a couple of years ago and the way I found out about this was someone in a WhatsApp group sincerely dismissing him as someone that a casual reader might bounce off in the same way they would Pynchon, James Joyce or William Gaddis. The thing is, they've never read those authors. I'm not familiar with Gaddis, but both Pynchon and Joyce have super accessible stuff. They also have more dense stuff, but Inherent Vice is just The Big Lebowski with slightly fewer jokes and Portrait of an Artist is a short and easy read.
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I just drove past a billboard petitioning marvel to bring back their “beloved” Tony Stark. MCU fans have a lot of issues.
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Skwirl posted:The thing is, they've never read those authors. I'm not familiar with Gaddis, but both Pynchon and Joyce have super accessible stuff. They also have more dense stuff, but Inherent Vice is just The Big Lebowski with Yeah, this. Pynchon may have Mason & Dixon and Gravity's Rainbow, but he also has Inherent Vice, Vineland, Lot 49, not to mention how M&D and GR have some of the funniest sections of any book I've ever read. Joyce has Ulysses, but Portrait is accessible and Dubliners even moreso. Even then, they are widely read classics because they're also fun and good and funny. They didn't become classics because they're difficult or complicated. Well. Finnegan's wake did. I haven't read Gaddis either, but people are scared away by the long sentences, stream of consciousness, and attention to detail. It's not crazy stuff. I haven't read them because they're long, not because they're too difficult. Most "difficult" or "challenging" books just demand a reader pay attention and move past things that don't click. Maybe that doesn't appeal to audiences that want spoon-fed themes, black-and-white characters with easy feel-good moments. It's interesting that Alan Moore gets called difficult or obtuse before Grant Morrison, who's way more out-there. It is funny every time I see/hear someone talk someone out of reading Watchmen or V For Vendetta. "No no no, you need to read a few more simple comics before you dive into the big bois."
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My dad's side of the family is mostly Midwestern Italians and growing up everyone over 60 all had personal styles similar to the cast of Goodfellas if they were all on tighter budgets. So when I first saw the movie it was pretty hard for me to view anything about the main characters as glamourous because they were all dressed like my senior citizen relatives.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Goodfellas “glamorizes” being a gangster in the same sense that Trainspotting “glamorizes” doing heroin As a shitposter, I relate to Spud visiting his girlfriend's family
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I love the MCU. I could straight up watch any MCU movie right now and have a good time. But like...he wasn’t wrong and it’s not even a slight because theme parks are so loving cool and we’ll created. It’s a different experience but it’s still a great and valid one. It’s annoying to me because I love both for different reasons but it’s always pinning me against them haha.
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The Scorsese/MCU thing is a lot like when Ebert said that video games aren't art. While I didn't completely agree with Ebert's statement, I loved them because The Gamers lost their collective minds.
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Detective No. 27 posted:The Scorsese/MCU thing is a lot like when Ebert said that video games aren't art. While I didn't completely agree with Ebert's statement, I loved them because The Gamers lost their collective minds. Gamer moments lost in time like tears in rain
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CelticPredator posted:I love the MCU. I could straight up watch any MCU movie right now and have a good time. Well, from my experience, it's always MCU fans that are drawing the line the sand and asking other movie fans to cross it with better movies/directors, and then get upset when they are told their world view or film experiences are small. Most, if not all, of my friends like MCU movies and like to see them in theaters. But none of them are trying to minimize filmmakers like Scorsese or act like the MCU is on the same level as a Kubrick film or something. People can like them, people can dunk on them, I never give a poo poo. It's when someone wants to say Guardians of the Galaxy is as good as or better than, like, anything Kurosawa made, and they've never seen a Kurosawa film is where I bristle. Or even saying that an MCU is one of the best action movies ever made. Same with people that want Harry Potter declared literature, or compare Post Malone to The Beatles. The lovely thing you like is lovely, and that's fine. I love Ernest Scared Stupid, I don't need Criterion to acknowledge it to make me feel better. edit; Oh, and I kinda hate MCU fans that don't read comics. When Infinity War came out and my co-worker cried cuz Spider-man and the Guardians of the Galaxy turned to sand and asked "HOW COULD THEY COME BACK?! THEY'RE GONE!", I had to ask "Why haven't you ready Infinity Gauntlet? It's like an hour of reading? Don't you know superheroes die in comics all the time? Don't you know they have Guardians of the Galaxy sequels and Spider-man movies with release dates already?" I just don't get how people can define their identity around Marvel movies but have zero curiosity or interest outside of those movies when there's almost a century of material to read and enjoy. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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