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Taear posted:I feel like maybe Big Brother is the last thing the UK had where it felt quite that way outside of a few sporting things. and it all ended with a woman doing something very lewd with a wine bottle
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I don't think there's that much difference between the popularity of sitcoms in the 80s and the most watched stuff now - other than the fact that people had very little choice in what they watched back then and had to watch it live (unless they owned a VCR). Just looking at Wikipedia's breakdown of most watched UK TV for the last few years you definitely still have those watershed events where a huge proportion of the country is watching the same thing at the same time. They're just less common. "Wikipedia posted:2015 The Great British Bake Off 7 October 2015 15.05 million BBC One
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tsob posted:There is no meaningful difference to the individual whether the millions of other people aware of, watching and/or discussing a thing alongside them are contained within a nation or the planet; especially when a lot of that discussion takes place online on spaces like this or Twitter where nationality has no relevance to the topic. What does it matter to the average person if those millions were in China, America, India etc. rather than Birminghim, Liverpool etc. if they live in Cornwall? They're still never going to see or meet the vast majority of them either way, but if they did they'd have a common thing to speak about either way. Which is all a cultural touchstone is. What is relevant is whether the people you DO talk to are likely to have seen it. It's not about "God I really want to talk about Game of Thrones with someone, anyone", it's about having a potential shared touchstone with your existing friends and acquaintances.
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Undead Hippo posted:What is relevant is whether the people you DO talk to are likely to have seen it. It's not about "God I really want to talk about Game of Thrones with someone, anyone", it's about having a potential shared touchstone with your existing friends and acquaintances. Yes, and a lot of people have friends and acquaintances from work, school etc that will have seen those shows or movies. That was literally my point.
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tsob posted:Yes, and a lot of people have friends and acquaintances from work, school etc that will have seen those shows or movies. That was literally my point. Why are US or Worldwide viewing figures relevant then?
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Undead Hippo posted:Why are US or Worldwide viewing figures relevant then? I honestly don't even know how to answer you at this point. Do I have to explain that the UK is part of the world? That if lots of people worldwide saw a thing then chances are lots of people you know did too? This is just baffling 
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tsob posted:I honestly don't even know how to answer you at this point. Do I have to explain that the UK is part of the world? That if lots of people worldwide saw a thing then chances are lots of people you know did too? This is just baffling chances are the majority of people you work with, go to school with, play football with, go to the pub quiz with, or whatever, are in the UK, not the rest of the world. Even for people online enough to be on SA, we're probably not doing most of our socialising on twitter or even here. If 15 million people in the UK watch something that's about 22% of the population, so in my office of 10 people maybe two watched it. If 15 million people in the world watch it that's about 0.02% of the population, so in my office of 10 people probably 0 watched it.
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tsob posted:Yes, and a lot of people have friends and acquaintances from work, school etc that will have seen those shows or movies. That was literally my point. I don't feel like you get what people are saying. Going into work and every single person has watched the same programme was a thing and now it's not. It does matter. I'm not talking about discussing stuff on the internet. You can even see it when you watch Pointless - if a show is from around now it's getting about 10 points (say breaking bad) and if it's from the 80s it's getting 40 points
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tsob posted:I honestly don't even know how to answer you at this point. Do I have to explain that the UK is part of the world? That if lots of people worldwide saw a thing then chances are lots of people you know did too? This is just baffling My dude. If you live in the UK and 21 million people in the UK saw something, then you are more likely to encounter a person who saw the thing than if 6 million people in the UK saw something. If in addition to the 6m people from the UK, 30 million people in the US and a billion people on Venus and a trillion people not yet born saw it, that doesn't matter. You will only encounter those other people by some remove.
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Idk loads of people in my office watched and talked about Game of Thrones and Endgame when they were big. More than anything on UK TV anyway. Ratings of 25 million still means that "only" 4 in 10 have seen it. That was as true in the 80s as it is today. Demographics matter too obviously, a group of people working in the same position in the same company are more likely to be watching the same TV than a random group of 10 people. Not to mention the fact that the internet and streaming have transformed the cultural zeitgeist for everyone. Even people who didn't tune into the latest GoT on Sky Atlantic every Monday evening knew about it, and most likely watched some of it at some point. Also I'd never heard of Bread until this thread brought it up. stev fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Deformed Church posted:chances are the majority of people you work with, go to school with, play football with, go to the pub quiz with, or whatever, are in the UK, not the rest of the world. Even for people online enough to be on SA, we're probably not doing most of our socialising on twitter or even here. If 15 million people in the UK watch something that's about 22% of the population, so in my office of 10 people maybe two watched it. If 15 million people in the world watch it that's about 0.02% of the population, so in my office of 10 people probably 0 watched it. In the case of the Marvel movies though that 15 million people was actually more like 150 million people, and that was mostly concentrated in a few nations (US, UK, China etc), so lots of people within those nations tended to have seen it and that included lots of people within friend groups, work areas or just random strangers you happened to be talking to. Demographics also matter, and while lots of kids or grandparents weren't watching something like Game of Thrones, a high proportion of people in the 20 to 40 bracket did, so the chances you would meet someone in a group who had watched it tended to be much higher than something like 0.02%. As in, multiple orders of magnitude higher. tsob fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jun 5, 2021 |
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Once, my mate pointed to one of the actors from Bread and said he was in it, but I thought he said he was "inbred" and wondered how he knew. That's my Bread story anyway.
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There was a motorbike in it, and an ornamental hen on the table they sat at. That is all i remember and having seen bits of shows from that far back it is probably best that it stays that way
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I’ve never heard of Bread but it sounds shite. Also no idea how anyone can say things like GoT, Breaking Bad, Marvel films etc aren’t part of a cultural zeitgeist is beyond me. Almost everyone I saw regularly was watching got and bb at the time.
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I remember Bread from my very early childhood. Specifically the intro, that bloody theme tune is burnt into my brain so hard I will probably remember it when I've forgotten my childhood dog. My parents still reference it fondly in the same way they do Only Fools and Horses but without the endless repeats and revivals to keep it in mind so it must have really touched them.
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From what I heard of Bread it implanted a lot of the usual nasty associations of people on benefit support and Liverpundlians via the form of half arsed comedy. I mean we don't need to make that stuff up as sadly we had legit poverty exploitation shows now.
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I’m a few episodes into Cuckoo. It’s pretty good but I don’t know if I should just stop at Samberg leaving.
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I mean I dropped it because well, Man Down came out at the same time and I made the choice.
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I've been following Ava Vidal's ongoing, well documented issues with John Gordillo and aside from being what seems like an actual paedophilic psychopath he seems pretty well known despite me never having heard of him. Is he that well known? His Wikipedia page is suspiciously one-sided about the current stuff...
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I do not know who that is.
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I do not know who either of those people are.
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Oh really? Ava Vidal is a UK comedian, she's been on a load of panel shows and done a fair amount of other TV stuff. You'd probably know her by sight. I guess it answers my question though.
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Akuma posted:I've been following Ava Vidal's ongoing, well documented issues with John Gordillo and aside from being what seems like an actual paedophilic psychopath he seems pretty well known despite me never having heard of him. Is he that well known? His Wikipedia page is suspiciously one-sided about the current stuff... Could you summarise the history of the drama? The whole thing seems to be a big mess where the mother is accusing the stepdad of sexual abuse & the stepdad is accusing the mother of physical abuse, and either way it ended up with the daughter committing suicide after possibly working in prostitution for some time? I do recognise Ava Vidal from tv, but have no idea who John Gordillo is.
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Summer's saved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9OFXMSmub4
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Well, they hit the early 2000's feeling pretty well.
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Jakabite posted:I’ve never heard of Bread but it sounds shite. Also no idea how anyone can say things like GoT, Breaking Bad, Marvel films etc aren’t part of a cultural zeitgeist is beyond me. Almost everyone I saw regularly was watching got and bb at the time. "Everyone you know" might have been but not many people have seen Breaking Bad. Honestly, check it on pointless, it gets like 4 points. As much as our generation watches things on Netflix it's only recently that older people have, now it's more integrated with more traditional media.
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Taear posted:"Everyone you know" might have been but not many people have seen Breaking Bad. That's kind of the point of bringing up demographics in the first place, and how they form a pretty important part of any given social circle or even inform the likelihood of other social interactions.
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tsob posted:That's kind of the point of bringing up demographics in the first place, and how they form a pretty important part of any given social circle or even inform the likelihood of other social interactions. No, the point was "there are no longer shows that literally everyone watched, like Bread in the past".
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Taear posted:"Everyone you know" might have been but not many people have seen Breaking Bad. but what, if like the vast majority of people you never watch Pointless? (it is actual shite you know)
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Taear posted:No, the point was "there are no longer shows that literally everyone watched, like Bread in the past". I guarantee you that for all "oooh, 20% of households watched Bread at x time and date" that a large proportion of the people in those households weren't actually watching the show. The parents might have been, but the kids probably weren't. So demographics were still an important part of that "everyone watched it" and it is unlikely kids at school the next day were all talking about the episode of Bread, even if it technically played in their house.
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It's possible the kids were, as the was likely only the one TV, so if they wanted to watch anything, that's what they got. They did monitor for children watching TV shows as well. My family was part of the Ipsos Mori panel which reported viewership. We had a device installed onto our TV that could tell what channel we were watching and we had a remote control that we used to say who was in the room at the time. There were buttons for all the people in the household. It was connected to our phoneline and every night around 2am they would call us to download the data from the device. No idea how many people we represented in the figures.
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Tsietisin posted:It's possible the kids were, as the was likely only the one TV, so if they wanted to watch anything, that's what they got. That's exactly how I remember watching it. It was just on.
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Rewatching the whole of Would I Lie to You in the background from Season 1 to 15, Its a great little time capsule of UK comedy 10-15 years ago. As well as the awful fashion, and people who have passed since (tara palmer tomkinson, ronnie corbett are the last two I remember), I forgot how offensive humour was back then and how much we've progressed. Frankie Boyle, who I now think of as kind of progressive is just completely in his shock humour phase with numerous jokes about women being fat, ugly, talentless. Even David Mitchell makes a few jokes like this which surprised me. Lee Mack makes homophobic comments any time there's a gay person on his team, basically just 'oooh watch it buddy' in a camp voice type thing whenever someone tries to touch him or whatever. Also general racist jokes about Polish, Chinese etc. and Omid Djalili and others playing into it and doing his pretending to be a terrorist act. Also wild to see Jack Whitehall and Russel Howard as literal kids and even shitter than they are now. It's actually nice to be able to see a show progress over that period and see that it can clearly still be just as funny once they stopped with the offensive jokes.
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Tsietisin posted:It's possible the kids were, as the was likely only the one TV, so if they wanted to watch anything, that's what they got. That's much more detailed than I ever thought. I assumed they called the households in the panel to ask about various shows - this is much more interesting. I presume there was an incentive to join the scheme as it sounds like a bit of effort?
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Annabel Pee posted:Rewatching the whole of Would I Lie to You in the background from Season 1 to 15, Its a great little time capsule of UK comedy 10-15 years ago. As well as the awful fashion, and people who have passed since (tara palmer tomkinson, ronnie corbett are the last two I remember), I forgot how offensive humour was back then and how much we've progressed. Good Post! I wonder if this is why it's pretty difficult to find earlier seasons. It's my favourite panel show by far, but I'm glad I don't have to see that.
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The Perfect Element posted:Good Post! Its all over the place to find, Seasons 1-2 are on Prime, 3-8 UKTV Play, 9-12 possibly on US prime? not sure where to watch these yet, and 13-15 iPlayer
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Red Oktober posted:That's much more detailed than I ever thought. I assumed they called the households in the panel to ask about various shows - this is much more interesting. I presume there was an incentive to join the scheme as it sounds like a bit of effort? We got sent £20 of gift vouchers every month. I can't remember exactly which store they were for, but something along the lines of Argos.
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Mickolution posted:That's exactly how I remember watching it. It was just on. Yeah, I remember my dad watching it a bit when I was young. I would technically have been in the room, and if he had a monitoring remote he might even conceivably have said I was paying attention since I was in the room. I couldn't tell you a single thing about the show beyond that it existed though, and don't think I've ever spoken to anyone about it before in any meaningful way. As in, beyond "What are you watching?" levels of conversation with my parents. I definitely never talked about it with other kids, and for all that I was in the room when it was on occasionally I don't think I ever paid attention to what was actually happening in the show. It was just a background thing.
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