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dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

what does this greenwich person think neoliberalism and socialism are? can they describe this in words

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

fritz posted:

greenwich26 4 minutes ago [–]

Why are governments allowed to collude like this? Isn't this the same idea as price fixing? Exploiting their monopoly (governments' monopoly on the right to do commerce) to unfairly raise prices (taxes)?
The world needs at least somewhere where you can opt-out from Western neoliberalism and socialism.
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so you’ve been to school for a year or two

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

dioxazine posted:

what does this greenwich person think neoliberalism and socialism are? can they describe this in words

well he specified western so I guess he wants to go to China?

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

most people do, it's true

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

dioxazine posted:

what does this greenwich person think neoliberalism and socialism are? can they describe this in words
Socialism and neoliberalism is when the government owns industries.

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

PCjr sidecar posted:

so you’ve been to school for a year or two

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

PCjr sidecar posted:

so you’ve been to school for a year or two

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Socialism and neoliberalism is when the government

suffix
Jul 27, 2013

Wheeee!

quote:

Mt. Zion wasn't "set aside for a high-risk community." It should have been, and indeed it was set aside earlier that week, but by Thursday morning they opened the gates and let everyone in.
As a result, it was my turn, after I waited in line for four hours at a "first come, first serve" vaccination site.

Elsewhere you allege that @dasickis and I were "skirting eligibility rules." You know that's not true. Perhaps there should have been eligibility rules, but there simply weren't. There weren't even eligibility guidelines, not even a written sign saying "for West Oakland residents only."

The lack of rules actually means something. Due to the lack of rules, I didn't have the option to give the vaccine I took to an underprivileged person of color in the West Oakland community.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
jfc

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008



your honor the door was not locked and we shouldn’t have entered and taken all that stuff, but there were no rules written and stapled anywhere so you see it was ok to take the things because we were the first to be there

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

“the fact is, letting community resources go unexploited is actually a bad thing” *writes 3000 word Medium essay like a complete psychopath*

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


and since there was a 4 hour line i guess community resources were exploited just fine by the community (unless it was all piece of poo poo line jumpers)

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

hackers are talking global thermonuclear war


baybal2 2 hours ago [–]

10-30M body-count on US side vs communist global domination.
Decide what is worse.
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Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
what if they're both good

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

Jabor posted:

what if they're both good

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Jabor posted:

what if they're both good

lol

dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

Jabor posted:

what if they're both good

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Workaccount2 1 hour ago [–]

What gets me about doctors, and maybe I'm just unlucky/haven't seen enough doctors, is that I never get that "expert" vibe from them.
You know when you're talking to someone who does, say, database management. And they have been at it for 15 years, have a bunch accreditation and are well compensated for their work. You just get the impression that you can pull the most esoteric question about databases out, and they'll go on for 45 minutes about all the nuances of it. No matter how hard you try, you with a mild database understanding, would never be able to pin them.
I just have never gotten that vibe from a doctor. I always felt like I was only a question or two away from them shrugging, me googling, and me finding the answer.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

the hackers are talking about medical ai, btw


mikesabbagh 2 hours ago [–]

>Many companies/etc keep promising to "revolutionize"
I think the technology is already here, but society does not allow technology to fail at a similar rate as a human. Also the second question, who is to blame when it fails? Doctors have malpractice insurance. A radiologist has to sign every report(and get paid). When a tesla auto-pilot has an accident, it hits the news. This is while humanity is having thousands of accidents a day.
Mammography is the most difficult radiography to interpret. Cant we start with the regular chest xrays? how about bone fractures and trauma x-rays? Those are easier, and i am sure the cost of such xray will be very low.
So I think the problem is with politics and legal.
Do u know that 80% of doctors visits are for simple complaints like headache, back pain or prescription refill? Do u really think AI cant solve this?
It is all about the money baby
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deeviant 28 minutes ago [–]

You seem extremely biased against AI in general, to the point where I very much doubt anybody would benefit from hearing your opinions on it.
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FredPret 37 minutes ago [–]

I wonder if you can replace a GP with a decision tree. You could update the tree as new research is done.
If you could collect reliable diagnostic data locally, you could serve this globally and for free.
It would also be a treasure trove of data about how we respond to various treatments.
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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

fritz posted:

the hackers are talking about medical ai, btw


mikesabbagh 2 hours ago [–]

>Many companies/etc keep promising to "revolutionize"
I think the technology is already here, but society does not allow technology to fail at a similar rate as a human. Also the second question, who is to blame when it fails? Doctors have malpractice insurance. A radiologist has to sign every report(and get paid). When a tesla auto-pilot has an accident, it hits the news. This is while humanity is having thousands of accidents a day.
Mammography is the most difficult radiography to interpret. Cant we start with the regular chest xrays? how about bone fractures and trauma x-rays? Those are easier, and i am sure the cost of such xray will be very low.
So I think the problem is with politics and legal.
Do u know that 80% of doctors visits are for simple complaints like headache, back pain or prescription refill? Do u really think AI cant solve this?
It is all about the money baby
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deeviant 28 minutes ago [–]

You seem extremely biased against AI in general, to the point where I very much doubt anybody would benefit from hearing your opinions on it.
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FredPret 37 minutes ago [–]

I wonder if you can replace a GP with a decision tree. You could update the tree as new research is done.
If you could collect reliable diagnostic data locally, you could serve this globally and for free.
It would also be a treasure trove of data about how we respond to various treatments.
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i mean epic and the entirety of emr is this

click-click-click-click-click

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

doctors with general exceptions generally have two talking modes: either treating you like you failed 6th grade biology or speaking as if you also have a post graduate level knowledge of biology

from talking to dentists when I was working on software for dental imaging software you probably don’t actually want the latter mode unless you actually do know anatomy at the very least because it’s no longer English

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

the radiology thread was lulzy after a CTO/founder wandered in

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27422610

TuringNYC 2 hours ago [–]

>> seismic interpretation here
Strong disagree here. Lets put aside the math and focus on money.

I dont know much about seismic interpretation, but I know a lot about Radiology+CV/ML. I was CTO+CoFounder for three years full time of a venture-backed Radiology+CV/ML startup.

From what I can see, there is a huge conflict of interest w/r/t Radiology (and presumably any medical field) in the US. Radiologists make a lot of money -- and given their jobs are not tied to high CoL regions (as coders jobs are), they make even more on a CoL-adjust basis. Automating these jobs is the equivalent of killing the golden goose.

Further, Radiologists standards of practice are driven partly by their board (The American Board of Radiology) and the supply of labor is also controlled by them (The American Board of Radiology) by way of limited residency spots to train new radiologists.

So Radiologists (or any medical specialist) can essentially control the supply of labor, and control the standards of best practice, essentially allowing continued high salaries by way of artificial scarcity. WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY WANT THEIR WORK AUTOMATED AWAY?

My experience during my startup was lots of radiologists mildly interested in CV/ML/AI, interested in lots of discussions, interested in paid advisory roles, interested in paid CMO figurehead-positions, but mostly dragging their feet and hindering real progress, presumably because of the threat it posed. Every action item was hindered by a variety of players in the ecosystem.

In fact, most of our R&D and testing was done overseas in a more friendly single payer system. I dont see how the US's fee-for-service model for Radiology is ever compatible with real progress to drive down costs or drive up volume/value.

Not surprisingly, we made a decision to mostly move on. You can see Enlitic (a competitor) didnt do well either despite the star-studded executive team. Another competitor (to be unnamed) appears to have shifted from models to just licensing data. Same for IBM/Merge.

Going back to seismic interpretation -- this cant be compared to Radiology from a follow-the-money perspective because seismic interpretation isnt effectively a cartel.

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



the guy is right that doctors are basically a medieval guild with how tightly they control the supply of new doctors. dunno how you go from that fact to blaming your company’s failure to produce effective models on the people who specialize in not making ML models, though

Zlodo
Nov 25, 2006
new pg brain shart is out

quote:

That's why it's a mistake to insist dogmatically on "work/life balance." Indeed, the mere expression "work/life" embodies a mistake: it assumes work and life are distinct.

Zlodo fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jun 8, 2021

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012




Zlodo posted:

new pg brain shart is out

HN people always write like weiners.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

quote:

I find that my peers tend to fear data structures and present an extreme fear of original code. Call it Invented Here[1] or whatever you want but it is certainly there and it’s an irrationality I don’t want to deal with when I am writing an application.

As an example of the hostility, yes that is the best choice of word, mention explicit use of events or the DOM and the common sentiment reminds me of reading history about lynchings in Jim Crow era and sun down towns. As an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27419965

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

toomuchtodo 7 minutes ago [–]

I just wish I could get some signal out of his writings as to if PG is simply out of touch or covertly malicious as it relates to the startup/founder/employee power balance. Does he really not understand how much more benefit founders realize versus employees at an organization? Or does he, and this is marketing for startup portfolio company employee pipelines?
A job should absolutely be able to be just a job you perform to generate income if you can do the job. The bar is high enough already for employees trying to climb the employment/career rock face without retired “thought leaders” adding additional constraints.


The mice a starting to suspect the maze...

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

austincheney 1 hour ago [–]

I find that my peers tend to fear data structures and present an extreme fear of original code. Call it Invented Here[1] or whatever you want but it is certainly there and it’s an irrationality I don’t want to deal with when I am writing an application.

As an example of the hostility, yes that is the best choice of word, mention explicit use of events or the DOM and the common sentiment reminds me of reading history about lynchings in Jim Crow era and sun down towns. As an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27419965

I wish the attitudes in the above example were rare, but they aren’t. So, I remain an introverted developer working on personal projects.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invented_here

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

i don't know about you, but all my data is unstructured

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
*my program throws an unhandled exception*

This is literally worse than the Armenian Genocide[1].

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

Zlodo posted:

new pg brain shart is out

quote:

That's why it's a mistake to insist dogmatically on "work/life balance." Indeed, the mere expression "work/life" embodies a mistake: it assumes work and life are distinct.

me departing the presence of the exalted job creator :ohno:

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

randomopining 4 hours ago [–]

So China's (1.4 bil and dropping) smart people vs the rest of the world's smart people (6-7 bil). And China doesn't get easy stepping stones when it wants by stealing secrets from western companies, uni's, and the us military.
Lets go.

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

i want to say something expressing my disapproval of this, but it's just so jaw droppingly ignorant that i'm completely nonplussed

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

donkeyd 3 hours ago [–]

Man, this poo poo is depressing to read as someone who just joined LE and sees mostly people who really want to help victims.
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Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed
it's true once you realize that they consider themselves the victims

fivehead
Jul 11, 2017

Americans Need Cash Now
I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

fivehead posted:

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

Nice av/post combo

mystes
May 31, 2006

I feel like that the prototypical hn poster would just say "I'm a 10x programmer so I can easily work 10 jobs." The idea of starting tons of jobs, not doing anything, and just collecting a paycheck for 4-8 weeks until you're fired seems even more galaxy brained than usual for hn and also more cynical.

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leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

mystes posted:

I feel like that the prototypical hn poster would just say "I'm a 10x programmer so I can easily work 10 jobs." The idea of starting tons of jobs, not doing anything, and just collecting a paycheck for 4-8 weeks until you're fired seems even more galaxy brained than usual for hn and also more cynical.

Apparently none of those places did a background check?

Assuming everyone gets wise after 4 weeks, you'd need 13 jobs over a year to break even compared to just pushing minimum effort to one job. Personally, I don't think it would be worth doing unless you could pull in 10x your salary -- so 130 jobs in the year.

You're starting to run out of qualified employers who have marked you as not eligible for rehire at that point. Let alone your background check having more flags than the united nations after a fraction of the time.

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