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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

"According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

I really should just shut the fuck up and stop posting forever
College Slice

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Louis Napoléon's France wasn't neutral but aggressively pro-confederate. It was basically waiting for the UK to say it was ok, and Max von Habsburg's failing Second Mexican Empire even tried to sell Tamaulipas, Nuevo Léon, and Coahuila to the CSA for military aid at one point.

e: V3 better let me install one of my rival nations' idiot failson princes as emperor of a third nation

Yeah, so basically that would also be a risk for sure is European intervention.

Then again Russia was pro-Union; that could have made for an interesting counterfactual if the Crimean War was actually merely an extension of a US Civil War that escalated into a pre-World War.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Raenir Salazar posted:

Yeah, so basically that would also be a risk for sure is European intervention.

Then again Russia was pro-Union; that could have made for an interesting counterfactual if the Crimean War was actually merely an extension of a US Civil War that escalated into a pre-World War.

This is a trilogy already. War breaks out between the Union and Great Britain in the summer of 1863 and Russia and France quickly become involved on opposing sides.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CWJ7ZA?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tkin_0&storeType=ebooks

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Charlz Guybon posted:

This is a trilogy already. War breaks out between the Union and Great Britain in the summer of 1863 and Russia and France quickly become involved on opposing sides.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CWJ7ZA?ref_=dbs_m_mng_rwt_calw_tkin_0&storeType=ebooks

Is it good?

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

cant wait for this game. gonna play as mexico and strangle the demon cracker menace on its cradle

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
mexico becomes the demon cracker nation if it wins

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

For alternate history or in general? Because those are two different bars.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

"According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

I really should just shut the fuck up and stop posting forever
College Slice
I imagine the question is, "Is it fun?"

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Charlz Guybon posted:

For alternate history or in general? Because those are two different bars.



Raenir Salazar posted:

I imagine the question is, "Is it fun?"

Yeah. Is it enjoyable to read

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Raenir Salazar posted:

I imagine the question is, "Is it fun?"

I've only read the first two, but I enjoyed them.

It sets up a reasonable situation for the war to start late enough that the Union will have a chance and the Russians will get involved right away.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

babypolis posted:

cant wait for this game. gonna play as mexico and strangle the demon cracker menace on its cradle

It's way too late to take out Britain at vicky start date

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

really queer Christmas posted:

It's way too late to take out Britain at vicky start date

dealing with perfidious albion and its demonic gammon populace is more of a late game goal

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha
https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1402626203232702471

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


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Choo choo!

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


I'm seeing an armored train icon there 🚂🚂🚂

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011




choo choo mfers

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Agean90 posted:

I'm seeing an armored train icon there 🚂🚂🚂

Yeah I just thought the same thing, that red icon looks awfully like it's got gun turrets on it. If Victoria 3 is going to let me play with armored trains it's instant game of the loving century material.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

"According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

I really should just shut the fuck up and stop posting forever
College Slice
Wiz, will trains be animated on the map like a psuedo-Railway Tycoon?

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


tbqh if there is an icon that's enough confirmation

victoria 3 has armored railroad batteries, send it to press

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:
Railway Gun Designer confirmed?

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib
I see all the numbers and slam the preorder button

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Wiz reveals that there is not gameplay, just randomly-generated numbers, pie charts, and 3D train models. I subscribe for all the DLC and have no regrets.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

reinstalled victoria 2 and still have no clue how this game works. i tried venezuela and spent thirty years watching a dozen capitalists build three barely profitable factories that employ 500 people between them

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that

StashAugustine posted:

reinstalled victoria 2 and still have no clue how this game works. i tried venezuela and spent thirty years watching a dozen capitalists build three barely profitable factories that employ 500 people between them

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


StashAugustine posted:

reinstalled victoria 2 and still have no clue how this game works. i tried venezuela and spent thirty years watching a dozen capitalists build three barely profitable factories that employ 500 people between them

here's the blueprint i followed for colombia, which should work similarly for venezuela

1. very low taxes and tariffs for a few years. spend those years promoting bureaucrats and clergy. they won't really promote if you tax them heavily because they won't be able to get their hands on luxury goods. nations that start with a higher rank can often just promote and tax heavily at the same time, but venezuela definitely can't. you want 4% clergy in each state so that your people start becoming literate at a reasonable rate
2. invade central america piece by piece as the FRCA dissolves for easy prestige and land
3. build some factories in each state and start promoting craftsmen. to be able to manually build factories at this stage of the game you probably need to put reactionaries in power by calling elections constantly and choosing options which make people more reactionary. try not to go overboard with this because you will want to actually pass reforms later.
4. grab some african territory for small bits of prestige and lots of resources. the area from benin to kongo is good for this purpose.
5. do whatever you want for the rest of the game

in short, don't let your capitalists control your industrialization, and don't assume people will start working in factories without using your national focus to turn them into craftsmen.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
if victoria 3 is a train simulator game with diplomacy, I wouldn't be mad.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

StashAugustine posted:

reinstalled victoria 2 and still have no clue how this game works. i tried venezuela and spent thirty years watching a dozen capitalists build three barely profitable factories that employ 500 people between them

Honestly Venezuela is a pretty terrible country to try to start with, even if you know what you're doing. Victoria 2 has a certain critical mass of pops you need to really get a country off the ground and if you don't have enough people you are going to struggle to do anything and just have to sit there and watch as your one infantry unit slowly dies of attrition because you don't even have enough soldier pops in any one place to sustain a single unit. If you're aiming to form Gran Columbia, Columbia is a much better start; it can pretty easily roll over both Venezuela and Ecuador at the same time and then it's essentially just about rushing the prestige techs to hit the requirement to take the decision.

There's a reason a lot of people suggest starting with Brazil, they have a high population and a lot of territory which is just a much easier base to build off of than a smaller country.

Nosfereefer
Jun 15, 2011

IF YOU FIND THIS POSTER OUTSIDE BYOB, PLEASE RETURN THEM. WE ARE VERY WORRIED AND WE MISS THEM

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Honestly Venezuela is a pretty terrible country to try to start with, even if you know what you're doing. Victoria 2 has a certain critical mass of pops you need to really get a country off the ground and if you don't have enough people you are going to struggle to do anything and just have to sit there and watch as your one infantry unit slowly dies of attrition because you don't even have enough soldier pops in any one place to sustain a single unit. If you're aiming to form Gran Columbia, Columbia is a much better start; it can pretty easily roll over both Venezuela and Ecuador at the same time and then it's essentially just about rushing the prestige techs to hit the requirement to take the decision.

There's a reason a lot of people suggest starting with Brazil, they have a high population and a lot of territory which is just a much easier base to build off of than a smaller country.

Seriously. Low-pop countries end up not able to support a single regiment. Also your economy will simply not work.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Cool thanks. I managed to get up to the 1890s with good research and a decent economy, but yeah i have no soldiers at all, don't have a huge industrial base, and my house is a three-way mess where no one actually wants to pass reforms. Might try again as Colombia then, though they seem to get instantly attacked by Brazil. When should you go for prestige techs over trying to get your economy off the ground, and what factories are good for Colombia?

MuffinsAndPie
May 20, 2015

So someone mentioned spamming elections for reforms earlier, this is something I've been wondering about for a bit now. When I get election events, I want to steer my population towards socialist/liberal policies if I want to get reforms right? Or am I wrong and I want to select the option that encourages reactionaries/conservatives, but increases militancy/consciousness in socialists/liberals?

E: Have a bonus question, does the ruling party matter in getting reforms at all? Can I just stick to reactionary government form so I can keep state capitalism while trying for them?

MuffinsAndPie fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jun 9, 2021

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

"According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

I really should just shut the fuck up and stop posting forever
College Slice

MuffinsAndPie posted:

So someone mentioned spamming elections for reforms earlier, this is something I've been wondering about for a bit now. When I get election events, I want to steer my population towards socialist/liberal policies if I want to get reforms right? Or am I wrong and I want to select the option that encourages reactionaries/conservatives, but increases militancy/consciousness in socialists/liberals?

E: Have a bonus question, does the ruling party matter in getting reforms at all? Can I just stick to reactionary government form so I can keep state capitalism while trying for them?

This is a very opaque part of V2 but my understanding is elections don't affect the Upper House.

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010

MuffinsAndPie posted:

So someone mentioned spamming elections for reforms earlier, this is something I've been wondering about for a bit now. When I get election events, I want to steer my population towards socialist/liberal policies if I want to get reforms right? Or am I wrong and I want to select the option that encourages reactionaries/conservatives, but increases militancy/consciousness in socialists/liberals?

E: Have a bonus question, does the ruling party matter in getting reforms at all? Can I just stick to reactionary government form so I can keep state capitalism while trying for them?

AFAIK, if you want to pass as many reforms as possible then you should be raising consciousness at every possible point. Specific issues are mainly a wedge to get specific parties elected. Militancy is useful to pass occasional reforms, but you need consciousness for your population to have any desire for reform at all.

Ruling party doesn't matter for reforms, you can stick to reactionary for that. Swapping parties is a decently useful tool for driving up militancy too.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


reading v2 posting makes me glad that one of the major things that they are going for this time is truly supporting a tall playstyle

the older design really kneecapped a lot of regions in the world by making plenty of resources not available to them when they have in immense abundance (like iron in Brazil or coal in Colombia), not to mention pop growth/immigration difficulties if you are outside the better "life quality" zones (what a horrible mechanic lmao)

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


it'll be nice to have railroads that are actually drivers of economic activity themselves and not just a collection of modifiers

Wooper
Oct 16, 2006

Champion draGoon horse slayer. Making Lancers weep for their horsies since 2011. Viva Dickbutt.
Put real time trains on the map. They be zooming around at 6hr per step.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Playing tiny countries is a pretty bad move for learning any Paradox game. Tiny countries need specific, railroaded strategies that you can't deviate from. They're bad for learning.

Play a big country that can actually absorb a mistake here or there. One of the good things about Paradox games is that they usually make running a big country similarly complex to running a small one.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
USA is probably the best country to learn vicky 2

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Gort posted:

Playing tiny countries is a pretty bad move for learning any Paradox game. Tiny countries need specific, railroaded strategies that you can't deviate from. They're bad for learning.

Play a big country that can actually absorb a mistake here or there. One of the good things about Paradox games is that they usually make running a big country similarly complex to running a small one.

CK being the main exception

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

To be clear I've played Vic2 a few times before, it's just been a while and I've never really been great at it

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

StashAugustine posted:

To be clear I've played Vic2 a few times before, it's just been a while and I've never really been great at it

Play the UK so you can actually win some things

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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

UK kinda sucks to learn cause your poo poo is way too spread out at the start. USA has to easy wars and two oceans that let you gently caress around to your hearts content while you learn

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