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italian quid posted:It's really loving stupid that 21 is considered late for getting to F1. It adds nothing and if anything just is another contributing factor to the racing being subpar because the kids don't build up wheel to wheel experience in the lower categories Yeah. In the best era (80-91) it was extremely rare for drivers to be under 23-24 years old. Schumacher was 22 when he started but he was a revelation at the time. Thackwell was 19 and that was seen as an extreme anomaly.
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NtotheTC posted:sounds like a good time to remind everyone that are damon was 32 when he joined F1 And he's a champion of the world, unlike Minimüm Von Crappen
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Zeta Acosta posted:New Ferrari CEO: Benedetto Vigna. The STM32 is a good microcontroller.
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Zeta Acosta posted:New Ferrari CEO: Benedetto Vigna. The timg version of that picture made me think it was a screenshot someone had taken from Archer. And now I'm disappointed it wasn't.
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Oh and because I apparently had a good post in the thread recently I've come to ruin that again. Edit: I couldn't even figure out which team was missing until I looked up the teams..... That's how terrible Williams is (Sorry Rebus)
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Jun 10, 2021 03:30
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Couldn't even get through three of those, Jesus christ
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i think we need some posts to help get those unfunny reddit pictures off the page. i'll start: Ferrari own. They loving own!!!!!
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Jun 10, 2021 03:38
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POCKET CHOMP posted:i think we need some posts to help get those unfunny reddit pictures off the page. i'll start: I'd prefer unfunny garbage to insane ranting about a red midfield team.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:i think we need some posts to help get those unfunny reddit pictures off the page. i'll start: Also Ocon’s been doing respectably against and sometimes better than Alonso.
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Lou Takki posted:I'd prefer unfunny garbage to insane ranting about a red midfield team. Ferrari owns, gently caress off you wanker
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Lou Takki posted:I'd prefer unfunny garbage to insane ranting about a red midfield team. But enough about BMS Scuderia-Italia
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harperdc posted:But enough about BMS Scuderia-Italia Were they even midfield? Closest to midfield red Italian team would probably be Alfa in the early 80s
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Another thing I've been wondering lately is if there's ever been a an F1 equivalent to Aprilia in MotoGP where they absolutely had enough money to give the resources to make the project be relatively successful but just outright refused to put the money in. Jaguar under Ford is probably the closest example I can think of.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:i think we need some posts to help get those unfunny reddit pictures off the page. i'll start: The only reddit post i read is people wrecking their lifes chasing polyamory also where is Pearnicious? i hope she-him didnt stop posting because me made fun of the reddit movie posters. Zeta Acosta fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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italian quid posted:Another thing I've been wondering lately is if there's ever been a an F1 equivalent to Aprilia in MotoGP where they absolutely had enough money to give the resources to make the project be relatively successful but just outright refused to put the money in. Jaguar under Ford is probably the closest example I can think of. Jaguar/Ford is one good answer, the only other one I could think of would be engine programs -- things like Porsche's engine program for Arrows/Footwork, Yamaha (if they really wanted to succeed they would have allowed Brian Hart to do more with those engines), maybe the Lamborghini project (owned by Chrysler), and then the utterly failed poo poo like Subaru-Coloni. I think the F1 equivalent to "don't want to invest" (which I think covers Aprilia as well as Suzuki in terms of not wanting to make four bikes) is "short schedules," so Honda coming in and out of F1, Renault bouncing in and out too, a couple others who expect things to be good in 3 years and get impatient.
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Toyota? But I guess I don’t really know how much money they lit on fire
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TheBacon posted:Toyota? But I guess I don’t really know how much money they lit on fire I was going to say Toyota as well but I think at one stage they were the biggest spenders of all the teams. If they weren't they certainly had spent a huge amount regardless.
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italian quid posted:It's really loving stupid that 21 is considered late for getting to F1. It adds nothing and if anything just is another contributing factor to the racing being subpar because the kids don't build up wheel to wheel experience in the lower categories Yeah F1 had a run of good young drivers and it broke everyone's brains so that now rookies are way too young and end up being poo poo for a couple of years before getting fired.
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hmm ferrari are bad, lance stroll owns, thats all
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harperdc posted:Jaguar/Ford is one good answer, the only other one I could think of would be engine programs -- things like Porsche's engine program for Arrows/Footwork, Yamaha (if they really wanted to succeed they would have allowed Brian Hart to do more with those engines), maybe the Lamborghini project (owned by Chrysler), and then the utterly failed poo poo like Subaru-Coloni. Porsche Arrows fits the bill pretty well. Suzuki in MotoGP feels pretty close to Honda in F1 where they're happy winning once a decade or so and then loving off. Suzuki is probably feeling the two bike limitation pretty hard right now given they don't really have an answer for qualifying. TheBacon posted:Toyota? But I guess I don’t really know how much money they lit on fire To be clear I don't just mean they blew a ton of money and sucked, I mean Aprilia's owner were the largest European bike/scooter manufacturer by some margin and refused to give Aprilia's MotoGP project any sort of budget for years to the point where KTM came in and using a concept everyone thought wasn't going to work was able to leapfrog Aprilia and is arguably considered the 3rd best bike on the grid right now
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Are Aprilia a big brand? I see way more Japanese scooters and the bikes I rarely see.
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Custard Undies posted:I was going to say Toyota as well but I think at one stage they were the biggest spenders of all the teams. If they weren't they certainly had spent a huge amount regardless. I remember that being the running joke, they outspent the field and just couldn't get it together.
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It's an interesting parallel with Haas coming in and presuming to have a superior way of doing business that would automatically succeed, except with Toyota it was spending money inefficiently and Haas it's not spending money inefficiently
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Mini asked me why Haas and Williams were not in F2 and I had no answer for her tbh.
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The obvious one is that even Haas were 9s a lap quicker than the best F2 times last time out, Williams closer to 12s faster.
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She meant why don’t they give up the F1 cars and enter as F2 teams instead if they can’t afford to keep up with the midfield.
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learnincurve posted:She meant why don’t they give up the F1 cars and enter as F2 teams instead if they can’t afford to keep up with the midfield. No one cares for the F2 teams. Most people couldn't name them. Although I guess most people couldn't name the F1 teams either.
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It's prestige, and no doubt if they brought their general level of competence to a spec series they'd fail to be dominant there too. I'll be interested to see how the cost and wind tunnel time caps affect how backmarkers do their thing. Haas are clearly already tanking this season to get the maximum available in 2022 as well as using what they have now on next year's car. Williams still have enough ego to actually try this season.
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learnincurve posted:She meant why don’t they give up the F1 cars and enter as F2 teams instead if they can’t afford to keep up with the midfield. Ain't Mini at McLaren? They used to be back there not too long ago...
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Mini is switching to public services for 2 years while the coronavirus lockdowns settle down  She’s got a potential apprenticeship at Mercedes Benz (the car devision) that they will pay for, but that will be dependent on colleges being functional enough for her to make the grades, so she’s going to tread water and accumulate point as a back up.
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track day bro! posted:Are Aprilia a big brand? I see way more Japanese scooters and the bikes I rarely see.
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learnincurve posted:She meant why don’t they give up the F1 cars and enter as F2 teams instead if they can’t afford to keep up with the midfield. Well they probably get more sponsor money and exposure running in the back of F1 than they would get running in the front of F2... They probably even get more screen time being in F1 as they get lapped by Lewis and Max.
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Mercedes do these weekly breakdown videos after every race and this week's is them throwing Valtteri under the bus fully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcH6xj5n1Dc
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net work error posted:Mercedes do these weekly breakdown videos after every race and this week's is them throwing Valtteri under the bus fully. Man they're not at all gentle with the shift in tone from 'Valtteri's mistakes are of his own making, he chose his lovely setup, it's on him' to 'Lewis rarely makes mistakes and really it's our fault for not making the car idiot proof enough, we need to reflect on our shortcomings as engineers.' At this rate he's going to be getting his P45 before 2021 is out.
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Theophany posted:Man they're not at all gentle with the shift in tone from 'Valtteri's mistakes are of his own making, he chose his lovely setup, it's on him' to 'Lewis rarely makes mistakes and really it's our fault for not making the car idiot proof enough, we need to reflect on our shortcomings as engineers.' Bottas legit sucks and Lewis is one of the best drivers ever so I buy his story that Bottas sucks and Lewis is one of the best drivers ever.
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Zeta Acosta posted:hope hamilton keeps having meltdowns this year while the team explodes around him Going to have to disagree with you there
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Zeta Acosta posted:hope hamilton keeps having meltdowns this year while the team explodes around him This, but also, Max bins it several times and Checo wins it all.
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