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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I don't know if it's just me but I found nearly every AA gun incredibly weak in the game with the exception of Battlefield 1. The BF4 AA was very serviceable. The BF1 AA was outranged by every aircraft, and the ones on foot were sniper bait and can be destroyed. BFV AA would be killed by any airplane even if you landed every single shot on the approaching aircraft and in fact most could fly straight and level over you and survive to go repair up out of bounds.
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touches ear piece I'm being told the A-10 is in fact cool
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Jun 12, 2021 23:41
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Back in the late 70s there was a jokey yet informational coloring book for A10 pilots which assured pilots frontal gun attacks on T-62s (an old tank at the time, even) would be fairly useless. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/cold-war-coloring-book-taught-a-10-pilots-to-kill-soviet-tanks-a26385113bf0
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Julius CSAR posted:Actually the dude on the left is correct though? Answer me this question, what is the point of getting slow on the deck to use a big dumb gun when you can safely and far more effectively drop a 500lb JDAM from 20,000 feet from platform that can respond much quicker and stick around the area far longer than an A-10 can? 
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Chronojam posted:The BF4 AA was very serviceable. The BF1 AA was outranged by every aircraft, and the ones on foot were sniper bait and can be destroyed. BF4 AA was okay when the game first came out but was eventually nerfed into near uselessness with the exception of helicopters.
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Jun 12, 2021 23:52
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Is someone actually angry at an airplane not even in the game lmao
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Jun 13, 2021 00:14
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Planes https://streamable.com/axb9o have https://streamable.com/0x5x2 reliable https://streamable.com/45i1p counters https://streamable.com/bmtmx8
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You forgot this one: https://streamable.com/bqqaq
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:BF4 AA was okay when the game first came out but was eventually nerfed into near uselessness with the exception of helicopters. Nah BF4 AA works wonders on pretty much anything that isn’t a wunderkind with JDAMs. They certainly nerfed its sniper capabilities with the 30mm and I think the Zuni rockets’ damage also got reduced against tanks but against something in the air it’s still good. And even if you find it hard to hit stuff with the cannon, or even if you can, you can equip the passive radar missiles and really make jets mad. Infantry AA did never worked on jets though that’s for sure.
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Symetrique posted:You forgot this one:  A blend of skill, incompetence, and sheer dumb luck is the only way to play Battlefield
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Kibayasu posted:Nah BF4 AA works wonders on pretty much anything that isn’t a wunderkind with JDAMs. They certainly nerfed its sniper capabilities with the 30mm and I think the Zuni rockets’ damage also got reduced against tanks but against something in the air it’s still good. And even if you find it hard to hit stuff with the cannon, or even if you can, you can equip the passive radar missiles and really make jets mad. Interesting, maybe I'll have to pick it up again but that's not my memory. I really, really, really want them to bring back the obliteration game mode. That was so much fun.
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I mostly see BF4 AA turrets used on infantry
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BF4AA had a missile they could choose which was basically unavoidable for a pilot since it was a fast dumbfire missile that homed in when it got near a plane giving it no warning or time to evade, I don't know if it was nerfed but it could clear the sky across the entire map from the spawn on some maps.
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I am glad they gone back to the real guns those WWII arsenal was terrible, explossion was not big enough for me
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Flannelette posted:BF4AA had a missile they could choose which was basically unavoidable for a pilot since it was a fast dumbfire missile that homed in when it got near a plane giving it no warning or time to evade, I don't know if it was nerfed but it could clear the sky across the entire map from the spawn on some maps. Active radar missiles have a pretty short range though I don’t remember if they started like that. I think they also increased the warning time jets and helicopters get. Passive missiles work better because they have the longest range, the highest damage, and most importantly you can shoot them with no lock or even the beginnings of a lock. Once you do lock on however for some reason missiles already in the air gain a massive increase in speed and maneuverability so unless someone is very quick on the countermeasures button or the missiles aren’t anywhere near them to begin with you are basically guaranteed to hit. Each missile does enough damage to cause a mobility hit.
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Yeah the passive ones were the strong ones, you could just shoot a bunch around the enemy plane at the other side of the dam map then lock them and it would usually disable their plane.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I don't know if it's just me but I found nearly every AA gun incredibly weak in the game with the exception of Battlefield 1. That's because you're playing them wrong. AA guns are for mounting Zunis on and then going infantry/armor farming. Crosby B. Alfred posted:BF4 AA was okay when the game first came out but was eventually nerfed into near uselessness with the exception of helicopters. Again, you were using them wrong.
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Was BF4 the one with the AA tanks that absolutely mutilated infantry? I honestly can’t remember.
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That's 2 but only for some of the factions.
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Kibayasu posted:Nah BF4 AA works wonders on pretty much anything that isn’t a wunderkind with JDAMs. They certainly nerfed its sniper capabilities with the 30mm and I think the Zuni rockets’ damage also got reduced against tanks but against something in the air it’s still good. And even if you find it hard to hit stuff with the cannon, or even if you can, you can equip the passive radar missiles and really make jets mad. The 30mm upgrade on the MAA just loving shreds little birds and I love it
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Launch bf3 in noshahr canals rush the single defending maa could fend off the entire attacking force because they they had to cross a large stretch of water, it was nuts
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That and Kharg Island rush (an otherwise pretty good map) were incredibly poorly designed.
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Jenny Agutter posted:Launch bf3 in noshahr canals rush the single defending maa could fend off the entire attacking force because they they had to cross a large stretch of water, it was nuts gently caress yeah noshahr first cap was brutal. BF3 had a couple of those shootfests
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Jun 13, 2021 04:19
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Dice , I beg you, just bring back noshahr canals tdm, my guns need parts
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All I can say for Battlefield Hub is bring back Port Valdez cowards. 
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Jenny Agutter posted:Dice , I beg you, just bring back noshahr canals tdm, my guns need parts The map Manifest is looking to be a spiritual successor to Noshahr and I can't imagine them not having TDM
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I just want the maps like Bad Company 2 where you can bounce off a mountain in a 4x4 like you’re in a DMX video
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Battlefield V has the Fliegerfaust which rules and completely invalidates the static AA.
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The make or break for me will be if the guns feel more like 3 and 4 than 1 and 5. After Battlefront 1 came out something seems to have fundamentally changed with how they make their guns shoot/bullet travel time, everything from that point on just felt like star wars blaster bolts flying through the air very slowly instead of nice and snappy gunfire like before 2015. Battlefront 2 felt alright, so I'm hopeful.
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Blue Raider posted:Was BF4 the one with the AA tanks that absolutely mutilated infantry? I honestly can’t remember. From my recollection that tactic worked rather well in both Bad Company 2 and BF3 and probably works reasonably well in BF4 as well
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You can absolutely do it in BF4. At launch you were to be able to do it at several hundred meters because the AA cannons had no reticule bloom - now you’re only relegated to up maybe 100 (it’s still more than enough).
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Nazzadan posted:The make or break for me will be if the guns feel more like 3 and 4 than 1 and 5. After Battlefront 1 came out something seems to have fundamentally changed with how they make their guns shoot/bullet travel time, everything from that point on just felt like star wars blaster bolts flying through the air very slowly instead of nice and snappy gunfire like before 2015. Battlefront 2 felt alright, so I'm hopeful. BF1 has the best feeling gunplay of any Battlefield I think. The Level 1886 infantry felt like the perfect bolt action rifle, plus the Howell automatic was one of the best medic rifles in the game. I mained as a PTFO scout in BF1 and I don't know if any other BF will have the same feeling as that.
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Qmass posted:before bf1 gun combat always felt terrible in battlefield games (and foot movement felt icy and unresponsive) it was a big step up IMO. While I agree Bf1 was a huge step up, I think the biggest improvement was BC2. I played BF1942, BF2, & BF Vietnam and they all had terrible gunplay (I never played 2142 but I imagine it had the same pitfalls of the original game), and it wasn't until BC2 that I felt like the game could stand up to other FPS games like COD in terms of shooting. BF3 & 4 were each better which led to BF1, which I still think is the king of FPS games, mostly because I'm extremely good at BF1.
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When they say ‘progression with bots’ does that mean your unlocks remain in online? Or is it only in offline?
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Infantry level AA in BF4 being ineffective against planes never really felt important because they could never reliably target infantry; any effort you made to attack air in BF4 was more about doing a favour to your team'ss tanks and helis. When the air in BF1 became able to endlessly strafe infantry, especially on some of the more cramped maps, the lack of effective infantry AA became a lot more frustrating.
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toggle posted:When they say ‘progression with bots’ does that mean your unlocks remain in online? Or is it only in offline? Progression earned in bot matches is real progession, yeah, it'll stay when you play online.
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I wonder if an iteration of the AC-130 is going to reappear in BF2042. Oh how I loved destroying that flying casket almost instantly after it spawned.
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Julius CSAR posted:CAS is a mission not a platform and this absolutely dumb as gently caress dude 
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